Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[mvp 78]

 

[moonslav59]

37 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't give extensions to pitchers over 30 - JH

Except Sale.

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Except Sale.

Yes, unless there is a deep discount for them. 

[notin]

53 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I had mentioned on an earlier post, that although I haven't seen a trade contingent on an extension in quite a while, I would do the trade, if we had that.

Last year.  Chris Sale…

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Last year.  Chris Sale…

It might be hard to prove that the extension was agreed upon, before the deal was made, but I think it was.

I'd rather trade for the 25 year old Crochet and extend him than Framber.

[notin]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It might be hard to prove that the extension was agreed upon, before the deal was made, but I think it was.

I'd rather trade for the 25 year old Crochet and extend him than Framber.

Most likely, Sale made it a contingency on waiving his 10/5 rights.  The extension was announced two days after the trade.  Certainly Atlanta didn’t decide in that 48 hour stretch that they’d seen something in Sale worth adding two years, especially given the spotty health history he had at the time.  Almost always if a team offers an extension (or.picks up an option) that quickly after a trade, it’s because it was done to get the player to waive some rights…

[notin]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It might be hard to prove that the extension was agreed upon, before the deal was made, but I think it was.

I'd rather trade for the 25 year old Crochet and extend him than Framber.

Of all the pitcher names the Sox are connected to, I put Crochet atop my list…

[moonslav59]

Just now, notin said:

Most likely, Sale made it a contincy on waiving his 10/5 rights.  The extension was announced two days after the trade.  Certainly Atlanta didn’t decide in that 48 hour stretch that they’d seen something in Sale worth adding two years, especially given the spotty health history he had at the time…

Exactly. It might be harder to get an extension for a players without 10/5 rights... like Crochet. The team needs to be in on the idea. I'm not sure what that type of deal was last made.

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, notin said:

Of all the pitcher names the Sox are connected to, I put Crochet atop my list…

At his age, he could end up being the best of anyone available.

I worry about the fact that he has never pitched more than 65 IP, until this year- college, minors, majors (a total of 8 seasons pitching somewhere.)

I'd rather keep Mayer, too. Fried costs just money.

[notin]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

At his age, he could end up being the best of anyone available.

I worry about the fact that he has never pitched more than 65 IP, until this year- college, minors, majors (a total of 8 seasons pitching somewhere.)

I'd rather keep Mayer, too. Fried costs just money.

Fried seems more likely at this point, which doesn’t mean much.  But it’s probably going to be another case of paying a pitcher in his 30s for what he did in his 20s.

If the Sox move Casas, they may need Mayer…

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Fried seems more likely at this point, which doesn’t mean much.

If the Sox move Casas, they may need Mayer…

I'd be thrilled to get Fried and then trade for Crochet.

Does Casas & Abreu get Crochet? Mayer straight up?

If we get two good pitchers and a defensive catcher, we have a few options:

Trade for Arenado (hopefully with Yoshida in the deal) and move Devers to 1B, ot just go with Grissom or Campbell at 3B. (Mayer, if he's not traded?)

C: Insert Def catcher + Wong

1B: Devers

2B: DHam v R- Grissom v L (or Campbell)

SS: Story

3B: Campbell (or Grissom/Mayer/Meidroth)

LF: Duran

CF: Anthony v R/ Rafaela v L

RF: Abreu v R/ Anthony v L

DH: Yoshida v R/ Ref v L

[Bellhorn04]

56 minutes ago, notin said:

Most likely, Sale made it a contingency on waiving his 10/5 rights.  The extension was announced two days after the trade.  Certainly Atlanta didn’t decide in that 48 hour stretch that they’d seen something in Sale worth adding two years, especially given the spotty health history he had at the time.  Almost always if a team offers an extension (or.picks up an option) that quickly after a trade, it’s because it was done to get the player to waive some rights…

Is that legal? Something that wink-wink nudge-nudge seems to represent a form of tampering.  But maybe the rules allow it.  Or maybe it's one of those rules that gets flouted and no one cares.  I have no idea.

[Bellhorn04]

The buzz on Fried is that the Yankees are in on him bigly.

If the Yanks sign Fried in the next few days, Red Sox Nation will really start getting restless.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

The buzz on Fried is that the Yankees are in on him bigly.

If the Yanks sign Fried in the next few days, Red Sox Nation will really start getting restless.

We'd need one of the big 3: Burnes, Bregman of Crochet, unless some other big name is traded.

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We'd need one of the big 3: Burnes, Bregman of Crochet, unless some other big name is traded.

Burnes reportedly prefers the West Coast.

This offseason is going at a surprisingly rapid pace.  It's night and day from last year.

And the Red Sox are still the Interest Kings until they actually get something done.  

[notin]

15 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Burnes reportedly prefers the West Coast.

This offseason is going at a surprisingly rapid pace.  It's night and day from last year.

And the Red Sox are still the Interest Kings until they actually get something done.  

Burnes wants money.  Lots and lots of it.  Like Scrooge McDuck levels.  That’s my interpretation of him.  Again, he won a Cy Young and still lost his arbitration hearings.  Either he’s asking for waaay to much cash or he wants something teams can’t give him.  Like a small island in the Pacific or a pet baby unicorn…

[Randy Red Sox]

52 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The buzz on Fried is that the Yankees are in on him bigly.

If the Yanks sign Fried in the next few days, Red Sox Nation will really start getting restless.

Yankees just signed Fried for 8 years.  BresSLOW better call Pivetta's agent QUICK

[Bellhorn04]

Check this out from Chris Cotillo:

Red Sox made “serious” run at Max Fried but Yankees’ $218M bid was “significantly ahead” of Boston’s per source.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/12/as-red-sox-lose-out-to-yankees-on-max-fried-team-preps-corbin-burnes-offer.html

Wait, so even when we're serious we're way short?

This is getting ridiculous.  

[Duran Is The Man]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

Check this out from Chris Cotillo:

Red Sox made “serious” run at Max Fried but Yankees’ $218M bid was “significantly ahead” of Boston’s per source.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/12/as-red-sox-lose-out-to-yankees-on-max-fried-team-preps-corbin-burnes-offer.html

Wait, so even when we're serious we're way short?

This is getting ridiculous.  

yeah, i saw that. it can't be serious if they were "significantly (outbid)".

 

 

[jad]

Well Fried gone, but that's fine, because WE WERE IN IT ALL THE WAY ....  as so often before.

[moonslav59]

What good is serious interest in all the best FAs, if you won't outbid anyone. Everybody who ever signs a big FA, knows they overpaid, and did it anyway.

Apparently, we missed that memo.

This winter already sucks.

Now, our only hope is to trade some of our future for help.

[Randy Red Sox]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

What good is serious interest in all the best FAs, if you won't outbid anyone. Everybody who ever signs a big FA, knows they overpaid, and did it anyway.

Apparently, we missed that memo.

This winter already sucks.

Now, our only hope is to trade some of our future for help.

no thanks.  keep the top 5 prospects.  The plan has ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS been to build from the farm and keep the payroll DOWN.  Have we not figured this out YET???

[moonslav59]

56 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

no thanks.  keep the top 5 prospects.  The plan has ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS been to build from the farm and keep the payroll DOWN.  Have we not figured this out YET???

I fully understand what their plan is. (I saw it coming before 2018.)

That is seperate from what I think needs to be done or should be done.

The "sham" is their feigned interest in everybody and anybody to try and con teh fans into thinking they really want to add top talent.

[Larry Cook]

The three big dogs (Mets, Yankees and dodgers ) are only leaving scraps for everybody else 

[FredLynn]

30 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I fully understand what their plan is. (I saw it coming before 2018.)

That is seperate from what I think needs to be done or should be done.

The "sham" is their feigned interest in everybody and anybody to try and con teh fans into thinking they really want to add top talent.

Henry stated a couple of years ago that he wanted to get the payroll down. They’re now middle third. He hired management to get it done, and they did. And it persists today.

The franchise has turned into a huge dung heap. When was the last time we were truly competitive? At the very least Henry and his lackeys need to be honest with the fans. 
They don’t care about winning, only making money.

 

[moonslav59]

Just now, FredLynn said:

Henry stated a couple of years ago that he wanted to get the payroll down. They’re now middle third. He hired management to get it done, and they did. And it persists today.

The franchise has turned into a huge dung heap. When was the last time we were truly competitive? At the very least Henry and his lackeys need to be honest with the fans. 
They don’t care about winning, only making money.

 

The last time was way back in '21.

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The last time was way back in '21.

It’s getting old

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

It’s getting old

It does seem like a long time ago, but the three decades of pain that came before JH was worse.

[Randy Red Sox]

12 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It does seem like a long time ago, but the three decades of pain that came before JH was worse.

very little consolation and we also fell a few spots in the draft lottery today I believe

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

very little consolation and we also fell a few spots in the draft lottery today I believe

I think we had the 18th best record.