Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[FredLynn]

44 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It does seem like a long time ago, but the three decades of pain that came before JH was worse.

No doubt. But this team should be competitive nearly every year. Not WS contenders necessarily, but playoff contenders, not last place teams. 

Now Eovaldi is even gone. He just signed with the Rangers. The fans need to show up on day one and turn their backs on the team from the stands and bend over in unison. Maybe then Henry will understand that we deserve better.

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

No doubt. But this team should be competitive nearly every year. Not WS contenders necessarily, but playoff contenders, not last place teams. 

Now Eovaldi is even gone. He just signed with the Rangers. The fans need to show up on day one and turn their backs on the team from the stands and bend over in unison. Maybe then Henry will understand that we deserve better.

I agree, totally. A 1 or 2 year rebuild, here and there is okay, as long as a window is being built up, but that is not what has happened. This has been a 6 year rebuild with an outlier fluke season in 2021.

[Larry Cook]

I am glad we did not go 8 years for fried! I think bres-slow got the Yankees to overspend big time 

[Randy Red Sox]

3 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

I am glad we did not go 8 years for fried! I think bres-slow got the Yankees to overspend big time 

it will be the same excuse for Burnes now too.

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

I am glad we did not go 8 years for fried! I think bres-slow got the Yankees to overspend big time 

We could have gotten him for $217M/7.

LOL!

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

it will be the same excuse for Burnes now too.

Yup. This is all one big drawn out sick joke.

[moonslav59]

I'd rather we just come out and say we will not pay big for anyone. 

[Randy Red Sox]

13 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd rather we just come out and say we will not pay big for anyone. 

they ARE saying that--just not publicly

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

they ARE saying that--just not publicly

Not really.

They keep feigning serious interest in signing just about every notable FA. They put out the news and "leaks."

To this fan, it is backfiring. It only makes it worse.

I knew all along to not believe their words, and only actions would convince me things have changed, and the words and words keep coming.

The actions?

Chapman

Wilson

Talk of trades, too. Talk, talk, talk.

Maybe we end up doing something significant, but seriously, does anyone, now, expect we do more than we did before ...

2023? Yoshida, Duvall, Jansen & Martin?

2022? Story, Wacha, Hill & Strahm?

Hell, we lost more value than we may sign, this winter.

Yes, there is a long way to go, and there are still several useful FAs left to outbid other GMs to get. I'll say it again, I'll believe it when I see it.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I agree, totally. A 1 or 2 year rebuild, here and there is okay, as long as a window is being built up, but that is not what has happened. This has been a 6 year rebuild with an outlier fluke season in 2021.

I could live with a couple of years of rebuilding. A 6 year rebuild means that management has screwed up. It’s not even so much that the money hasn’t been spent (though that’s part of it)-it’s that the personnel decisions haven’t been wise.  Unless we miraculously upgrade our pitching by a lot it’s going to be another crap year.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, Randy Red Sox said:

they ARE saying that--just not publicly

Henry publicly said a few years ago that he wanted to cut payroll-then he hired Bloom a former Rays exec to do it.. And we all know how the Rays handle payroll.

Now they claim they’ll be spending, even into the LT.

They’re lying to us.

 

[mvp 78]

According to McAdam, manager Alex Cora and team president Sam Kennedy are more keen on a Bregman pursuit than Breslow happens to be. 

Well, I agree with Breslow on this one. Wonder if the problem is the continued issue of too many cooks in the kitchen?

[mvp 78]

Happy Rule 5 Draft Day to all who celebrate. 

2PM

[Bellhorn04]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

According to McAdam, manager Alex Cora and team president Sam Kennedy are more keen on a Bregman pursuit than Breslow happens to be. 

Well, I agree with Breslow on this one. Wonder if the problem is the continued issue of too many cooks in the kitchen?

They're just oozing dysfunction.  And yes, I think too many cooks has to be part of it.

Breslow says he's surprised to hear talk about trading Casas, shortly followed by us hearing that they did offer Casas to the Mariners, who of course declined.  And yes, I know that stuff happens plenty, but with this organization it just seems like more of their misleading messaging and general ineptitude. 

 

[moonslav59]

9 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Henry publicly said a few years ago that he wanted to cut payroll-then he hired Bloom a former Rays exec to do it.. And we all know how the Rays handle payroll.

Now they claim they’ll be spending, even into the LT.

They’re lying to us.

 

They have had "moments" of moderate spending since the Bloom hire, and gave that massive Devers extension, recently, but we are being passed by more and more teams with more "willing" ownership groups.

I don't think the "lied" when they said they felt we could remain competitive as they scaled back spending. We did have some payrolls that were top 5 to 10 for most of the last 6 seasons, but we did not spend very wisely, as we kept losing key player after key player, with the Betts loss as the major kick in the balls, way back in 2020.

Yes, they have been lying to us, and more than just the "full throttle" obvious lie. I feel like all these reports of being interested in the top FAs is all lies, too. If it's not a lie, it's almost worse, since it shows they have no clue about what the market is.

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

They're just oozing dysfunction.  And yes, I think too many cooks has to be part of it.

Breslow says he's surprised to hear talk about trading Casas, shortly followed by us hearing that they did offer Casas to the Mariners, who of course declined.  And yes, I know that stuff happens plenty, but with this organization it just seems like more of their misleading messaging and general ineptitude. 

 

they just need to hire a couple more executive vice-presidents. that will solve all their problems.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Happy Rule 5 Draft Day to all who celebrate. 

2PM

Whos is most likely to be taken from our farm has been the bigger question than who we might grab. The Whitlock steal was memorable.

Possible losses:

Monegro or Sikes?

Less likely...

Bastardo, Gambrell, Liu

Castro, Hickey, Jordan

Did I miss anyone?

[mvp 78]

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Whos is most likely to be taken from our farm has been the bigger question than who we might grab. The Whitlock steal was memorable.

Possible losses:

Monegro or Sikes?

Less likely...

Bastardo, Gambrell, Liu

Castro, Hickey, Jordan

Did I miss anyone?

Kwiatkowski and Bryan Gonzalez in the MiLB portion. 

 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

They're just oozing dysfunction.  And yes, I think too many cooks has to be part of it.

Breslow says he's surprised to hear talk about trading Casas, shortly followed by us hearing that they did offer Casas to the Mariners, who of course declined.  And yes, I know that stuff happens plenty, but with this organization it just seems like more of their misleading messaging and general ineptitude. 

 

That audit didn't do spit. 😪

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Happy Rule 5 Draft Day to all who celebrate. 

2PM

I believe the Sox are ineligible to draft due to having a full 40 man roster.

Potential losses: Michael Fulmer, Max Ferguson, Corey Rosier, Yodanny Monegro

Long shot: Blaze Jordan

Most likely outcome: Just Fulmer…

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Whos is most likely to be taken from our farm has been the bigger question than who we might grab. The Whitlock steal was memorable.

Possible losses:

Monegro or Sikes?

Less likely...

Bastardo, Gambrell, Liu

Castro, Hickey, Jordan

Did I miss anyone?

Fulmer is the least risky, seeing as to how he has a decent MLB resume.  I also think teams might be intrigued by the defense/speed/versatility of Max Ferguson…

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

I believe the Sox are ineligible to draft due to having a full 40 man roster.

Potential losses: Michael Fulmer, Max Ferguson, Corey Rosier, Yodanny Monegro

Long shot: Blaze Jordan

Most likely outcome: Just Fulmer…

I'm just here for the Sox taking a Yankees player in the MiLB portion. If they forgo that annual tradition, this FO is officially COOKED. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Fulmer is the least risky, seeing as to how he has a decent MLB resume.  I also think teams might be intrigued by the defense/speed/versatility of Max Ferguson…

Ferguson's issue is he can't hit. Not sure he could OPS 600 in MLB. 

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I'm just here for the Sox taking a Yankees player in the MiLB portion. If they forgo that annual tradition, this FO is officially COOKED. 

So you’re down on them for not getting Kaleb Ort 2.0?

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

So you’re down on them for not getting Kaleb Ort 2.0?

It's all I got left with these Bozos. 

[notin]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Ferguson's issue is he can't hit. Not sure he could OPS 600 in MLB. 

He could serve as a 26th man INF/OF bench player whose speed is utilized as a pinch runner for a much slower ghost runner.  His low ceiling works for him in this case, since he’s earmarked for bench duty.  Teams like Tampa, Oakland/Sacramento/Las Vegas, and Pittsburgh could find a use for him.

 

But Fulmer makes sense for nearly everyone..

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

It's all I got left with these Bozos. 

Congratulations! You found a room below the sub-basement…

[moonslav59]

57 minutes ago, notin said:

I believe the Sox are ineligible to draft due to having a full 40 man roster.

Potential losses: Michael Fulmer, Max Ferguson, Corey Rosier, Yodanny Monegro

Long shot: Blaze Jordan

Most likely outcome: Just Fulmer…

Can't they trade or DFA minutes before a pick?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

That audit didn't do spit. 😪

It's obvious they told the Red Sox to use the 25th Discontentment on Kennedy. But he gave himself a pardon.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

He could serve as a 26th man INF/OF bench player whose speed is utilized as a pinch runner for a much slower ghost runner.  His low ceiling works for him in this case, since he’s earmarked for bench duty.  Teams like Tampa, Oakland/Sacramento/Las Vegas, and Pittsburgh could find a use for him.

 

But Fulmer makes sense for nearly everyone..

You're just talking about a speedy utility player. I'm sure those teams could find a guy like that who has actually played capably above High A.