Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[Larry Cook]

30 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Soto, Burnes, Bregman, Manaea and O'neill but not Fried.

Is fried with CAA? 

[moonslav59]

58 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Is fried with CAA? 

Yes.

[mvp 78]

9 hours ago, Thunder said:

 

Don't sit there and act like you wanted Clay Holmes! Severino I can understand

I thought Holmes would have been a decent pickup.

[Thunder]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I thought Holmes would have been a decent pickup.

Perhaps, assuming he would never sniff the closer’s chair. From June to July and then in October, he was almost a guarantee to blow the lead he came in with

[Larry Cook]

Could boras and bres-slow have a deal where we help drive up the cost of Soto so the Mets dodgers or Yankees choke on the price tag and in return, boras sends us the a starting pitcher to sign? 

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Could boras and bres-slow have a deal where we help drive up the cost of Soto so the Mets dodgers or Yankees choke on the price tag and in return, boras sends us the a starting pitcher to sign? 

I gotta say no.  Nice wild ass conspiracy theory, though. 😉   

All this waiting on Soto is making us a little mental, I think.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

I thought Holmes would have been a decent pickup.

I liked Holmes, too. Apparently, he was signed to be given a shot at starting. I'm not sure if that was a major reason for choosing where he signed, but we'd have needed him in the pen.

Scott is the only big name RP'er left. Estevez is okay. Maybe yates has another good year left.

[notin]

6 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Could boras and bres-slow have a deal where we help drive up the cost of Soto so the Mets dodgers or Yankees choke on the price tag and in return, boras sends us the a starting pitcher to sign? 

And what’s in that for Boras?  Not to mention, where his clients (of which your primary target Fried is not one) is not Boras’ decision…

[Larry Cook]

1 hour ago, notin said:

And what’s in that for Boras?  Not to mention, where his clients (of which your primary target Fried is not one) is not Boras’ decision…

For  boras he gets 3 percent of 700 million plus 3 percent of whatever he bleeds us for on a starter. 

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

For  boras he gets 3 percent of 700 million plus 3 percent of whatever he bleeds us for on a starter. 

Wow, $21M to BorA$$!

[Larry Cook]

10 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Wow, $21M to BorA$$!

He gets almost as much in 1 deal as it took me 40 years to accumulate. I guess I picked the wrong line of work 

[mvp 78]

On 12/7/2024 at 12:34 PM, moonslav59 said:

I liked Holmes, too. Apparently, he was signed to be given a shot at starting. I'm not sure if that was a major reason for choosing where he signed, but we'd have needed him in the pen.

Scott is the only big name RP'er left. Estevez is okay. Maybe yates has another good year left.

Sox aren't getting a big name reliever this year. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Sox aren't getting a big name reliever this year. 

Sadly, I agree.

If we get 2 quality SP'er and push Crawford to the pen, we may be just barely okay.

By "quality," I don't think 2 from these quys will be good enough: Flaherty, Pivetta, Nate & Manaea.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Sadly, I agree.

If we get 2 quality SP'er and push Crawford to the pen, we may be just barely okay.

By "quality," I don't think 2 from these quys will be good enough: Flaherty, Pivetta, Nate & Manaea.

I'd be surprised if they landed a big fish like Fried and scored one of the names you mentioned. At best, they bring on one starter either by trade or FA. They probably continue to troll the FA market for cheap reliever depth. 

[mvp 78]

If they were going to sign a 1B at this point, I'd rather they go with Christian Walker. He's a GREAT defender and is a massive pull hitter. Sign him and DH Casas. When Walker's deal is up, move Raffy to 1B. 

There are still a few defensive Catchers available (Grandal, Nido, Diaz). 

[notin]

On 12/7/2024 at 7:12 PM, Larry Cook said:

For  boras he gets 3 percent of 700 million plus 3 percent of whatever he bleeds us for on a starter. 

But he gets that same money regardless of where his clients sign.  Why would he direct them to Boston?

 

That type of deal would lead to his client suing him for not acting in their best interests…

[moonslav59]

I don't doubt we end up doing what MVP suggests: just 1 pitcher (likely not Burnes or Fried) and not a top line RP'er added, somehow.

I read the Dodgers and Teoscar are not close on numbers, and they just signed Conforto, so maybe we get TH.

Walker makes some sense, too. HOU seem to be high on him, and they will be losing Bregman.

I'm braced for another letdown.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Can't see Fried without Bregman -- recruiting a pitch-to-contact pitcher is a waste if not improving the infield D somewhere (please don't say the ivy-league execs in the front office actually anticipate a full, healthy year of Trevor Story to make up for the rest of a below-average infield).

Now... can any Red Sox fan see Henry and Breslow spending approximately $400 million on two players like Fried and Bregman? We're not talking generational Soto or yenerational Yamamoto here... (bad pun, but a year ago Boston actually offered Yo Yama over 45 billion yen).

Jurickson Profar, anyone? Switch hitter, Silver Slugger last year...  most similar batters include 3) JBJ; 4) Kike; 5) Vince (not even Dom) DiMaggio...

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd be surprised if they landed a big fish like Fried and scored one of the names you mentioned. At best, they bring on one starter either by trade or FA. They probably continue to troll the FA market for cheap reliever depth. 

Theyll make a big trade and a big(ish) signing. I say "big(ish)" because Im not super confident that they get one of Fried or Burnes. Wouldnt surprise me if they got Fried, but Im not super confident.  But they will make a trade , theyve got to.

[drewski6]

If you get TH, you have to trade Abreu for something.  

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Can't see Fried without Bregman -- recruiting a pitch-to-contact pitcher is a waste if not improving the infield D somewhere (please don't say the ivy-league execs in the front office actually anticipate a full, healthy year of Trevor Story to make up for the rest of a below-average infield).

Now... can any Red Sox fan see Henry and Breslow spending approximately $400 million on two players like Fried and Bregman? We're not talking generational Soto or yenerational Yamamoto here... (bad pun, but a year ago Boston actually offered Yo Yama over 45 billion yen).

Jurickson Profar, anyone? Switch hitter, Silver Slugger last year...  most similar batters include 3) JBJ; 4) Kike; 5) Vince (not even Dom) DiMaggio...

No, they can start with Story for the first 2 months and then call up Mayer when Story gets injured. 

A change at 1B to Christian Walker makes this team much stronger defensively and provides a RHB. 

1B Walker

2B Campbell/Hamilton

SS Story/Mayer

3B Devers

That IF defense is better than the past two years by far. 

[mvp 78]

27 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

If you get TH, you have to trade Abreu for something.  

IDK. Teoscar can't play RF in Fenway. 

[drewski6]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

IDK. Teoscar can't play RF in Fenway. 

I guess you could move Duran to CF, put Teoscar in LF and keep Abreu in right. Turns Cedanne into supersub and Roman into depth

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We know the Red Sox have to improve defensively, and definitely in the infield. But what about the most important position on the diamond besides (but certainly connected to) the mound? Concerned about Boston's plans behind the plate?

Brez' recently used the d-word for Kyle Teel -- "developing" -- and not the r-word: "ready." Danny Jansen just signed with Tampa, and not one player, coach, fan or Assistant VP shed a tear.

Most metrics show that Connor Wong is a bad catcher. He's not even the kind of guy teams prefer for a back-up, like someone with good defensive skills who pitchers like to throw to (ex: Sandy Leon).

And it's not like there are a lot of backstops on the market right now...

 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

I guess you could move Duran to CF, put Teoscar in LF and keep Abreu in right. Turns Cedanne into supersub and Roman into depth

I like Rafaela as a super UTIL guy. Roman can eventually take over in RF, but they are kind of stuck with this rotation for 2025.

2026:

Teoscar DH

Duran LF

Rafaela CF

Anthony RF

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

We know the Red Sox have to improve defensively, and definitely in the infield. But what about the most important position on the diamond besides (but certainly connected to) the mound? Concerned about Boston's plans behind the plate?

Brez' recently used the d-word for Kyle Teel -- "developing" -- and not the r-word: "ready." Danny Jansen just signed with Tampa, and not one player, coach, fan or Assistant VP shed a tear.

Most metrics show that Connor Wong is a bad catcher. He's not even the kind of guy teams prefer for a back-up, like someone with good defensive skills who pitchers like to throw to (ex: Sandy Leon).

And it's not like there are a lot of backstops on the market right now...

 

Grandal, Nido and Diaz are all capable of filling that Sandy Leon type role or better. 

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I like Rafaela as a super UTIL guy. Roman can eventually take over in RF, but they are kind of stuck with this rotation for 2025.

2026:

Teoscar DH

Duran LF

Rafaela CF

Anthony RF

So Robert was a question Mark due to the young outfield court, but Teoscar is in play?

[notin]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Can't see Fried without Bregman -- recruiting a pitch-to-contact pitcher is a waste if not improving the infield D somewhere (please don't say the ivy-league execs in the front office actually anticipate a full, healthy year of Trevor Story to make up for the rest of a below-average infield).

Now... can any Red Sox fan see Henry and Breslow spending approximately $400 million on two players like Fried and Bregman? We're not talking generational Soto or yenerational Yamamoto here... (bad pun, but a year ago Boston actually offered Yo Yama over 45 billion yen).

Jurickson Profar, anyone? Switch hitter, Silver Slugger last year...  most similar batters include 3) JBJ; 4) Kike; 5) Vince (not even Dom) DiMaggio...

Still, Vince DiMaggio is better than John DiMaggio aka the voice of Jake the Dog (from Adventure Time) and Bender (from Futurama)…

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

So Robert was a question Mark due to the young outfield court, but Teoscar is in play?

Teoscar is just money and I don't really want him either. I think he'll end up getting overpaid this time. 

[notin]

22 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Grandal, Nido and Diaz are all capable of filling that Sandy Leon type role or better. 

But which one would you want starting 120-130 games?