Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[Hugh2]

This is exactly why I said Pivetta could get a QO and then why I said he’d decline.  Pitching costs $$$ even mediocre pitchers are making bank.

[Larry Cook]

Free agency is not always the best way to acquire pitching! There are many different ways to get pitching. I am sure bres-slow has explored many options plus he probably has some young fire baller in mind in the rule 5 draft (preferably left handed) 

[mvp 78]

On 11/14/2024 at 11:38 PM, MADSTORK said:

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Wow, this guy was bang on with the Soto contract amount!

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Wow, this guy was bang on with the Soto contract amount!

And those are the facts!

[harmony]

Two Atlanta podcasters discuss the idea of the Braves trading for Boston shortstop Trevor Story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYPiNUvh_xA

 

[Larry Cook]

14 minutes ago, harmony said:

Two Atlanta podcasters discuss the idea of the Braves trading for Boston shortstop Trevor Story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYPiNUvh_xA

 

Atlanta is also looking for an outfielder 

[moonslav59]

If we trade Story, he'll win the NL MVP, next year.

[harmony]

The Red Sox apparently have missed out on 31-year-old free agent right-hander Frankie Montas, who reportedly has signed a two-year, $34 million contract with the New York Mets:

https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1863431691886338073

MLB Trade Rumors had projected Montas with a two-year, $22 million contract. The market for estasblished starters may be expensive this offseason.

Montas and now 31-year-old right-hander Luis Castillo were hot commodities at the 2022 trade deadline.

[moonslav59]

MLBTR had Montas at $22M/2. He got $34M/2.

[harmony]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

MLBTR had Montas at $22M/2. He got $34M/2.

The trade value of established starters may be on the rise.

Or not.

[moonslav59]

Could be. The Montas signing looks way over. Others about as expected.

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

If we trade Story, he'll win the NL MVP, next year.

I know how to prevent that - trade him to an AL team…

[Larry Cook]

4 hours ago, harmony said:

The Red Sox apparently have missed out on 31-year-old free agent right-hander Frankie Montas, who reportedly has signed a two-year, $34 million contract with the New York Mets:

https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1863431691886338073

MLB Trade Rumors had projected Montas with a two-year, $22 million contract. The market for estasblished starters may be expensive this offseason.

Montas and now 31-year-old right-hander Luis Castillo were hot commodities at the 2022 trade deadline.

Less money for the Mets to sign Soto 

[Hugh2]

9 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Wow, this guy was bang on with the Soto contract amount!

Also he knew the Red Sox would try to sign him.

who ever could have figured a team would be in on a good player.  Amazing indisputable facts

[Hugh2]

Year after year, the market for free agents is under estimated.  Remember when Bogaerts hit FA and we wanted to extend him for around 100-125? Yeah fun times, or when no one thought Pivetta would be offered and turn down a Q.O.? The narrative never seems to change and the surprises come every year.  Of course……someone will always be grossly overpaid or sign a team friendly deal but that’s just the way it is.

 

Frankie Montas is an old Sox friend, an international piece who came up thru Bostons system.  He was traded with Jose Iglesias and two other guys for Jake Peavy.  Fun times

[notin]

8 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Could be. The Montas signing looks way over. Others about as expected.

Matt Boyd to the Cubs. Two years $29mill. 
 

Makes you wonder about the going rate for players who are actually expected to pitch…

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Year after year, the market for free agents is under estimated.  Remember when Bogaerts hit FA and we wanted to extend him for around 100-125? Yeah fun times, or when no one thought Pivetta would be offered and turn down a Q.O.? The narrative never seems to change and the surprises come every year.  Of course……someone will always be grossly overpaid or sign a team friendly deal but that’s just the way it is.

 

Frankie Montas is an old Sox friend, an international piece who came up thru Bostons system.  He was traded with Jose Iglesias and two other guys for Jake Peavy.  Fun times

The real weirdness is what happened with the Boras Four last year.

[Hugh2]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

The real weirdness is what happened with the Boras Four last year.

Even the best hitter in the league strikes out some at bats. 

[Hugh2]

Things worked out pretty good for Blake Snell not so much for Jordan Montgomery

[moonslav59]

Boyd at $29M/2 is scary high. Guys like Pivetta and Severino are smiling.

[Hugh2]

Boyd had better years between 2017-2021, with 2021 looking better if he pitched the full year. 

This plays into what I've been saying for a very long time around here.  People love to look at what a guys WAR was for the last year or two or point to a steamers projection but I say time and time again that you have to look at upside, in only takes one team out there to bet on a guys upside. 

Someone in Cubs organization probably thinks they can get Boyd right and he can be a 2-3 War pitcher. 

Will he? IDK, but this is why guys get paid more than we think they will. 

[mvp 78]

9 hours ago, harmony said:

The Red Sox apparently have missed out on 31-year-old free agent right-hander Frankie Montas, who reportedly has signed a two-year, $34 million contract with the New York Mets:

https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1863431691886338073

MLB Trade Rumors had projected Montas with a two-year, $22 million contract. The market for estasblished starters may be expensive this offseason.

Montas and now 31-year-old right-hander Luis Castillo were hot commodities at the 2022 trade deadline.

That's a miss? 

[mvp 78]

31 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The real weirdness is what happened with the Boras Four last year.

The weirdness was a Boras construction. 

[Larry Cook]

Free agents starting to come off the board and we are still dancing with Soto 

[Duran Is The Man]

1 minute ago, Larry Cook said:

Free agents starting to come off the board and we are still dancing with Soto 

 watch the morons running the Sox FO miss out on all of them and end up resigning Pivetta for some idiotic amount as the "signature" move. 

[Thunder]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

Free agents starting to come off the board and we are still dancing with Soto 

 

Don't sit there and act like you wanted Clay Holmes! Severino I can understand

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

Free agents starting to come off the board and we are still dancing with Soto 

Not a single player has signed, so far, that is the best choice at a position we need. I'm pretty sure the 2nd and third best chocies are still on the board, right now, except maybe catcher, as D Jansen & Higgy signed, already.

SP: Burnes & Fried (Snell signed)

RP: Scott, Hoffman, Estevez (Holmes signed as SP)

Big Bat or best RHB that fits: Soto, Bregman, Adames, Teoscar (no big bat signing, so far- not even Alfonso or Walker)

Even most of the best second tier players are still on the board: Flaherty, Nate, Manaea, Santander & O'Neill

I sure hope, Snell, Kikuchi, Severino and Holmes were not our Plan A guys.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Thunder said:

 

Don't sit there and act like you wanted Clay Holmes! Severino I can understand

The good thing is, Soto should make his choice, soon, so many will still be on the board to pivot to.

I'm guessing we are already talking to the agents to Burnes, Fried, Bregman, Adames and hopefully Scott, Hoffman or Estevez.

[Thunder]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

The good thing is, Soto should make his choice, soon, so many will still be on the board to pivot to.

I'm guessing we are already talking to the agents to Burnes, Fried, Bregman, Adames and hopefully Scott, Hoffman or Estevez.

Most of those other "agents" are just Boras. He has Burnes, Fried, and Bregman that I know of.

 

I expect a Soto decision before Monday. With my luck, he will announce while I am at the Steelers game on Sunday.

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, Thunder said:

Most of those other "agents" are just Boras. He has Burnes, Fried, and Bregman that I know of.

 

I expect a Soto decision before Monday. With my luck, he will announce while I am at the Steelers game on Sunday.

Soto, Burnes, Bregman, Manaea and O'neill but not Fried.