The Grissom Watch

[notin]

Pedroia benefited to some extent from having his adjustment period at the end of a lost 2006 season and then the first month of the 2007 season. Then he caught fire.

 

And in more than 65 PA.

 

Also he was roughly the same age in 2006 as Grissom is now…

[Bellhorn04]

One issue with Grissom to date is he isn’t much of an exit velocity guy. And if you’re not going to hit the ball with authority, you do need to walk more than he does and probably strike out less.

 

Seems like that might be a problem.

[notin]

Seems like that might be a problem.

 

In combo with some of the other factors.

 

Of course, he’s only put 48 balls in play this year. So a couple 5mph dribblers can drag that number down. StatCast refuses to even rank him due to the number of data points involved…

[Bellhorn04]

And in more than 65 PA.

 

Also he was roughly the same age in 2006 as Grissom is now…

 

Some of it comes down to circumstances. Pedroia was a highly touted homegrown prospect. You're sort of obliged to give a guy like that some leash. He had his initiation as a callup in a dead season.

 

Grissom is a guy we traded for who was expected to step right in as a starter, with some MLB experience and great minor league numbers. I'm not sure how much leash they can give him.

 

And of course it doesn't help that the guy they traded for him is posting Cy Young numbers.

[notin]

Some of it comes down to circumstances. Pedroia was a highly touted homegrown prospect. You're sort of obliged to give a guy like that some leash. He had his initiation as a callup in a dead season.

 

Grissom is a guy we traded for who was expected to step right in as a starter, with some MLB experience and great minor league numbers. I'm not sure how much leash they can give him.

 

And of course it doesn't help that the guy they traded for him is posting Cy Young numbers.

 

Isn’t that really the entire reason for the concern? If Sale was pitching like he did from 2020-2023, or should I say NOT pitching like he did from 2020-2023, is anyone as concerned about Grissom? Or do we look at him like he’s a potential good find attached to a salary dump? But since Sale is back to bring his old self for 9 games, suddenly there is this huge need to justify the trade.

 

Grissom is who he is regardless of what Sale does. But it does seem like he’s not being evaluated that way…

[dgalehouse]

Patience is a virtue. Let's give him a little more time to show what he can do. But at some point, he has to figure it out or someone else will take his spot. You can't keep making excuses for him indefinitely just to try and justify the trade.

[vegasbob]

Grissom got off to a bad start by being on the PUP list longer than he's now been playing. He'll get plenty of time to work on his hitting, though it will be at the MLB level. Had Valdez, Hamilton or Reyes been able to play consistent defense and hit a little, Grissom could have been given more time with WooSox

 

Interestingly, Dalbec, Valdez, Reyes have been hitting well at Worcester , proving they really are AAA players who cannot make the jump to MLBV pitching. Hamilton may be showing improvement with more reps lately.

[Hugh2]

I'd say some of the expectations of Grissom were put on him by the organization. They traded Chris Sale for him and penciled him as the 2024 second baseman. We heard stories about how he was a star in the making.

 

How much of a leash are they prepared to give him in a season that supposedly matters?

 

With Hamilton suddenly hitting so well, they now have options.

 

This is true, I also think if the offense was a little bit better they could plug him 7-9th and just plug him in with no pressure.

[Old Red]

Isn’t that really the entire reason for the concern? If Sale was pitching like he did from 2020-2023, or should I say NOT pitching like he did from 2020-2023, is anyone as concerned about Grissom? Or do we look at him like he’s a potential good find attached to a salary dump? But since Sale is back to bring his old self for 9 games, suddenly there is this huge need to justify the trade.

 

Grissom is who he is regardless of what Sale does. But it does seem like he’s not being evaluated that way…

Like it, or not he’s getting judged, and treated the Boston way. Like I’ve mentioned before how a new comer gets off to a start in Boston is huge, and even then sometimes what have you done for me lately wins out. O’Neil got off to a great start, but he’s been struggling for a while now, and now is not talked about to favorably. Like I’ve said many times on here a prospect/suspect is useless until they are producing in a Red Sox uniform, or traded for someone who does. At the moment Grissom is pretty much useless. Will he get better most likely, and time will tell.

[moonslav59]

A whole thread on a guys first few weeks of play?

[Randy Red Sox]

A whole thread on a guys first few weeks of play?

 

well it got you in on it

[Nick]

A whole thread on a guys first few weeks of play?

 

We the fans are focused

 

Who is going to join the futures team with Devers,

Wong, Casas, Duran, Rafaela and Abreu?

[Old Red]

A whole thread on a guys first few weeks of play?

 

Pretty SUSPECT isn’t it?

[notin]

True, but unfortunately Grissom's numbers are so epically bad it's hard not to fixate on them. They're worse than Dalbec's, and Dalbec's 2024 sample was enough to convince everyone that he's just not a major league hitter.

 

 

But Dalbec’s numbers are skewed due to partial platoonining. And StatCast has him as far worse than Grissom. His “hot streak” that bulked him to his levels today included 3 weak infield grounders that went for singles and a “hard hit” single that reached the outfield, but was hit off Cub 1b/DH Matt Mervis…

[notin]

Like it, or not he’s getting judged, and treated the Boston way. Like I’ve mentioned before how a new comer gets off to a start in Boston is huge, and even then sometimes what have you done for me lately wins out. O’Neil got off to a great start, but he’s been struggling for a while now, and now is not talked about to favorably. Like I’ve said many times on here a prospect/suspect is useless until they are producing in a Red Sox uniform, or traded for someone who does. At the moment Grissom is pretty much useless. Will he get better most likely, and time will tell.

 

 

The Boston Way is impatience? A bunch of “what have you done for me lately?” fans?

 

da gale house and I do not agree on much with regards to baseball, but post 36 on this thread from him sums it all up…

[Maxbialystock]

On the surface, the Grissom watch is just silly because he's played just 16 games. What's the point?

 

Well the point is that the Sox brain trust are paying Chris Sale's freaking salary of $17M while he starts for the Atlanta Braves and so far has the highest pitching WAR on the Braves and the 2d most IP. That is nothing less than extraordinary and demands that we question what the Sox got in return.

 

The catch, of course, is that the Sox have 6 years of control over Grissom in addition to his being a pretty good prospect a year or two ago. So, as moonslav and others insist, it's way, way, way, way too early to pass judgment on the trade.

 

But not for me. I'll give Grissom another 2-3 months, which is about what Pedey had as a rookie in 2007 (and having played in 31 MLB games in 2006) before he showed how good he was.

 

And maybe I'll give Grissom the whole season because no way, no how can he fix this lineup with his bat.

 

And as for losing Sale, while I hate it, after 51 games the Sox still have the 2d best ERA in MLB (but the Phillies, ERA 3.11, are about to pass them). 3d is still pretty amazing.

[jad]

The Boston Way is impatience? A bunch of “what have you done for me lately?” fans?

 

da gale house and I do not agree on much with regards to baseball, but post 36 on this thread from him sums it all up…

 

Not many posters would post two dozen posts on the same thread, object to everything anyone else said, then repeat the point made by others, then conclude by referring to one of his own posts as definitive. I'm used to this in academia, but I've rarely seen it here!

[moonslav59]

The Boston Way is impatience? A bunch of “what have you done for me lately?” fans?

 

da gale house and I do not agree on much with regards to baseball, but post 36 on this thread from him sums it all up…

 

Agree 100%.

 

It's all...

 

Me, me, me,,,

 

Now, now, right now!

[Old Red]

The Boston Way is impatience? A bunch of “what have you done for me lately?” fans?

 

da gale house and I do not agree on much with regards to baseball, but post 36 on this thread from him sums it all up…

 

The Boston way has been that way for years, so it’s nothing new, and isn’t going to change anytime soon. Gus is getting another day off today, so he must need some more rest.

[Randy Red Sox]

Agree 100%.

 

It's all...

 

Me, me, me,,,

 

Now, now, right now!

 

it's hardly 'Right now' it's 3 last place finishes in 4 years along with bringing in an endless supply of 1 year players and many BBB'S at a low cost

[Old Red]

Agree 100%.

 

It's all...

 

Me, me, me,,,

 

Now, now, right now!

 

Yes it is, and rightfully so as far as I’m concerned, and none of this well the team may be better in 2028. Right now vs 2028 I would say right now would win out.

[Bellhorn04]

it's hardly 'Right now' it's 3 last place finishes in 4 years along with bringing in an endless supply of 1 year players and many BBB'S at a low cost

 

Right, and that's why I've lost a lot of my patience.

[Old Red]

it's hardly 'Right now' it's 3 last place finishes in 4 years along with bringing in an endless supply of 1 year players and many BBB'S at a low cost

 

Exactly, but that doesn’t matter to some on here. As I’ve said many times you don’t give up on years with the hope that things will get better somewhere down the road, because that just might not happen.

[Old Red]

Right, and that's why I've lost a lot of my patience.

 

Most have.

[Duran Is The Man]

Right, and that's why I've lost a lot of my patience.

 

yep...and who gives a s*** if we have 6 years of control of Grissom if he can't f***ing hit?

[Old Red]

yep...and who gives a s*** if we have 6 years of control of Grissom if he can't f***ing hit?

 

6 years of control are big to some on here even if they can’t play. It’s way to early to know if Grissom can play, or not, but it’s definitely a bad start.

[dgalehouse]

Saying " The future looks bright" wears pretty thin after a while.

[notin]

it's hardly 'Right now' it's 3 last place finishes in 4 years along with bringing in an endless supply of 1 year players and many BBB'S at a low cost

 

None of that has anything to do with Grissom.

 

In fact, Grissom is one guy who isn’t a 1 year player or BBB low cost project…

[Bellhorn04]

Wouldn't you know it, Grissom is sitting today.

[Old Red]

None of that has anything to do with Grissom.

 

In fact, Grissom is one guy who isn’t a 1 year player or BBB low cost project…

 

NOBODY said it had anything to do with Grissom.🤭🙈