A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[moonslav59]

People talked about Monty from day one of the offseason. His wife is currently in Boston. It seemed like a logical fit as they needed someone to provide quality innings and give the pen a break.

 

True. Had he signed early on with someone else, he would not have been the most discussed, this winter.

[Bellhorn04]

True. Had he signed early on with someone else, he would not have been the most discussed, this winter.

 

Huh?

[moonslav59]

I suppose if we WERE going to believe the Media when it comes to Boston we should belive the NEW YORK POST of all things hahaha

 

People selectively choose stories that fit their narrative.

 

There was no Monty quote in the Heyman story. Not even a mention that he talked to him.

 

There were plenty of stories that said the Red Sox were in it to the end. The Sox went cheap, this winter, after Gio. It seems that narrative fits into why Monty went elsewhere, too.

[moonslav59]

Huh?

 

Monty was the most discussed pitcher signing this winter.

 

Would he have been had he signed right after Nola with someone else?

[Bellhorn04]

All 4 of the big Boras guys had to settle for fractions of what they originally wanted. It was a strange deal. Maybe it was all Boras's fault, maybe not.

[Bellhorn04]

Monty was the most discussed pitcher signing this winter.

 

Would he have been had he signed right after Nola with someone else?

 

When a guy signs the discussion ends. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make.

[Old Red]

People selectively choose stories that fit their narrative.

 

There was no Monty quote in the Heyman story. Not even a mention that he talked to him.

 

There were plenty of stories that said the Red Sox were in it to the end. The Sox went cheap, this winter, after Gio. It seems that narrative fits into why Monty went elsewhere, too.

 

Were there any confirmed confirmations that the Red Sox actually offered Monty a contract. Plenty of story rumors means absolutely nothing. Who actually talked to Monty to confirm anything? Talking about stories to confirm an narrative.

[Old Red]

In the meantime Monty has given up 9 runs in his last 10 innings.

[moonslav59]

When a guy signs the discussion ends. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make.

 

\MVP said Monty was the most discussed. I said because he was signed so late, so the discussion went on and on.

[Bellhorn04]

\MVP said Monty was the most discussed. I said because he was signed so late, so the discussion went on and on.

 

Monty was a top target in most of our minds from the start. (Do you remember your posts about his numbers for the last 3 seasons?)

 

The fact he stayed unsigned so long increased the number of posts about him.

 

Both are true.

[mvp 78]

I’m just reporting what Heyman said, and saying the Red Sox, and Monty were in negotiations doesn’t mean a whole heck of a lot. The Red Sox supposedly offered the Yam Man a contract too, so would you call that in negotiations? There were all kinds of so called rumors this past offseason involving the zRed Sox getting rid of this one, and that one, and they are still all in Boston.

 

Why would they be in negotiations if he didn't want anything to do with Boston you dope?

[mvp 78]

The report on Monty was there was a zoom call between him, and the Red Sox, but no formal offer was made. I guess you could call that in negotiations.

 

That's not what the report said either. It said "the Red Sox aren’t known to have made a concrete offer." That's not the same thing dingus.

[mvp 78]

All 4 of the big Boras guys had to settle for fractions of what they originally wanted. It was a strange deal. Maybe it was all Boras's fault, maybe not.

 

Yes, it was his fault.

[mvp 78]

\MVP said Monty was the most discussed. I said because he was signed so late, so the discussion went on and on.

 

You and Old Red are a perfect pair. I did NOT say that.

 

People talked about Monty from day one of the offseason. His wife is currently in Boston. It seemed like a logical fit as they needed someone to provide quality innings and give the pen a break.

 

What is it with you old goobers just making s*** up all the time?

[Old Red]

Why would they be in negotiations if he didn't want anything to do with Boston you dope?

 

Dope?🤭🙈🤮! You was the Dope that was all excited the Red Sox were meeting with the Yam Man when the Red Sox didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of signing him. Lots of players will meet with anyone even if they have no intention of going there just to see what offers are out there. Where is your confirmation that the zRed Sox made any offer to Monty at all? Negotiations can be a l o n g stretch of what was actually happening.

[mvp 78]

Dope?! You was the Dope that was all excited the Red Sox were meeting with the Yam Man when the Red Sox didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of signing him. Lots of players will meet with anyone even if they have no intention of going there just to see what offers are out there. Where is your confirmation that the zRed Sox made any offer to Monty at all? Negotiations can be a l o n g stretch of what was actually happening.

 

If you have no interest in signing with a team, you don't meet with them dumbass.

[Old Red]

That's not what the report said either. It said "the Red Sox aren’t known to have made a concrete offer." That's not the same thing dingus.

 

To boil it all down concrete offer, or formal offer didn’t mean a diddily s*** at all.

[mvp 78]

To boil it all down concrete offer, or formal offer didn’t mean a diddily s*** at all.

 

"Aren't known to have made an offer" doesn't mean they didn't make an offer. It just means Heyman wasn't sure if they had made an offer or not.

[Old Red]

If you have no interest in signing with a team, you don't meet with them dumbass.

 

Yea I guess 1% interest could mean interest. You bought it anyway.

[Old Red]

"Aren't known to have made an offer" doesn't mean they didn't make an offer. It just means Heyman wasn't sure if they had made an offer or not.

 

But you(Joe s*** The Ragman) knows more than Heyman, or at least thinks you do.

[notin]

Monty was a top target in most of our minds from the start. (Do you remember your posts about his numbers for the last 3 seasons?)

 

The fact he stayed unsigned so long increased the number of posts about him.

 

Both are true.

 

I thought from Day One of the off-season that Montgomery was the better option than the mercurial Blake Snell. Montgomery was unspectacular, but was at least consistently good. Whereas Snell was either elite or average and never in between, and this was due to his frequent injuries...

[Old Red]

If you have no interest in signing with a team, you don't meet with them dumbass.

 

You actually think the Yam Man had intentions of signing in Boston, or interest?

[notin]

"Aren't known to have made an offer" doesn't mean they didn't make an offer. It just means Heyman wasn't sure if they had made an offer or not.

 

We like to live in a world where the media has 100% access to everything, but the reality is they simply don't and never will. Plenty of these players sign deals with no previous story that the team and player were even talking...

[notin]

You actually think the Yam Man had intentions of signing in Boston, or interest?

 

I think he might have had interest if Boston was willing to pay him as much or more than the Dodgers offered.

[mvp 78]

We like to live in a world where the media has 100% access to everything, but the reality is they simply don't and never will. Plenty of these players sign deals with no previous story that the team and player were even talking...

 

Heyman is also one of the least reliable guys out there.

[Old Red]

We like to live in a world where the media has 100% access to everything, but the reality is they simply don't and never will. Plenty of these players sign deals with no previous story that the team and player were even talking...

 

You may be right, but the media has better, and more connections than ANYBODY on here, which is hard to believe for some.

[mvp 78]

You actually think the Yam Man had intentions of signing in Boston, or interest?

 

Yeah, if the Sox paid him more than the Dodgers.

[Old Red]

I think he might have had interest if Boston was willing to pay him as much or more than the Dodgers offered.

 

And what % of a chance was that going to happen?

[mvp 78]

You may be right, but the media has better, and more connections than ANYBODY on here, which is hard to believe for some.

 

What? No way!

[Old Red]

Yeah, if the Sox paid him more than the Dodgers.

 

In your wildest, wettest dreams that was going to happen, and yet he met with them anyway.