Predict the next front office

[Old Red]

I can also see why some are leery about the way the Sox have been doing things, period.

 

Right now Sam The Sham, and the gang are probably getting ready to vote, and pick their man like they do on Survivor with tiki torches, and all.

[moonslav59]

I can also see why some are leery about the way the Sox have been doing things, period.

 

Me, too, especially if they are telling anyone interested, they want them to "groom" Romero and or Cora for their job in 1-3 years. Even, if this is not hat is being said, those interested or not interested might be thinking about that.

 

I'm really not that worried. I'd be happy with Romero and an experienced assistant GM.

 

I'm not sure how well Cora would be with expanded duties.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't really care who gets the jobs -- as long as it happens soon after the World Series, and they start changing the roster and culture of suck at the next GM meetings.

 

... and that doesn't include swapping commons for commons on the playground or flipping doubles against the corner of the school at recess.

[moonslav59]

I don't really care who gets the jobs -- as long as it happens soon after the World Series, and they start changing the roster and culture of suck at the next GM meetings.

 

... and that doesn't include swapping commons for commons on the playground or flipping doubles against the corner of the school at recess.

 

Agreed. If we don't change the culture, it won't matter who takes the job.

 

If we are counting on the new hire to bring about that change, we will likely be disappointed. The major change needs to happen from above this new guy's pay grade.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Agreed. If we don't change the culture, it won't matter who takes the job.

 

If we are counting on the new hire to bring about that change, we will likely be disappointed. The major change needs to happen from above this new guy's pay grade.

 

Of course -- I'm waiting like the rest to see if the Bloom firing was just a facade...

[mvp 78]

Agreed. If we don't change the culture, it won't matter who takes the job.

 

If we are counting on the new hire to bring about that change, we will likely be disappointed. The major change needs to happen from above this new guy's pay grade.

 

Hard to change the culture if you're only adding and subtracting one person.

[Bellhorn04]

Hard to change the culture if you're only adding and subtracting one person.

 

And how does anything change if Henry doesn't change?

[mvp 78]

And how does anything change if Henry doesn't change?

 

If Henry doesn't stop hoarding "his guys" and the CBO can't put new people in place? I won't change.

[Old Red]

And how does anything change if Henry doesn't change?

 

Even if JH stays the same just changing Bloom for someone else should change things. This is one of those times that just making a change for the sake of making a change could be a good thing.

[Bellhorn04]

Even if JH stays the same just changing Bloom for someone else should change things. This is one of those times that just making a change for the sake of making a change could be a good thing.

 

The only thing that can positively impact 2024 is some aggressive and smart spending/trading this offseason. Nothing else much matters.

[moonslav59]

Hard to change the culture if you're only adding and subtracting one person.

 

Apparently, there were some changes in the scouting and developing areas of the system, but yes, at the top, there has been little major change. Lucchino was about it- above the GM position.

[moonslav59]

Hard to change the culture if you're only adding and subtracting one person.

 

I will say, even without much change on the top level, the team philosophy has changed pretty dramatically a few times in 20 years.

[sk7326]

I will say, even without much change on the top level, the team philosophy has changed pretty dramatically a few times in 20 years.

 

I think the philosophy on player acquisition has largely not changed. What has changed primarily is the attitude towards the big league club.

[moonslav59]

The only thing that can positively impact 2024 is some aggressive and smart spending/trading this offseason. Nothing else much matters.

 

Agreed. At some point, we should pull off a big prospect trade- not just for the sake of doing it, but to provide a big boost to the current team, while allowing the budget more space to fill other needs.

 

We haven't really had a bigger trade than #6 Beeks for Nate and #9 Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber since the Sale trade in December of 2016! We are coming up on 8 years!!! (Before Sale, we traded for Kimbrel and Pomeranz within 13 months of that trade.)

 

I think it goes beyond spending. We went over the tax line (barely) in 2022 and came close in 2023. Yes, several teams have passed us, and we need to stay a pretty big spender, for a while, anyway, to reach a competitive level, but without some major trades, I don't see us having the ability to sufficiently upgrade 4-6 positions on a tihg budget like $50M, this winter.

 

We've spent years trying to build up the farm and 40 man roster with capable players and prospects. We seem pretty deep, now, although some might argue deep with mediocrity, and they may not be far off base. Here's the thing, teams will trade for mediocrity or "capable." Teams will like our prospects. IMO, we can now afford a 3 or 4 for one deal. We can trade one top prospect and a good second tier one or two for someone who is proven and has several years of team control. We'd still have 2-3 very promising top prospects left over with more promising ones on the rise, behind them.

 

IMO, if we want to compete in '24, we will need to make one big trade, and I'm not talking Dugo, Drohan, Hickey and Walter for a pitcher.

 

Then, we need to spend at least right up to the tax line, but going to the $20M tax line without going over could very well do the trick.

 

Big trade +$69M = competitive team in '24. Does JH agree? Will he do it, if he does?

 

[moonslav59]

I think the philosophy on player acquisition has largely not changed. What has changed primarily is the attitude towards the big league club.

 

3 major trades from Nov 2015 to Dec 2016, then none for almost 8 years is a pretty notable change.

 

The Price contract was an outlier, and I agree that the spending after 2020-2021 has been pretty much in line with past seasons. (The bigger change has been that more teams now have bigger spending owners.)

 

IMO, I love the idea of building and maintaining a solid farm system and pipeline, but that priority should never be the be-all-end-all priority.

 

8 years is long enough to wonder, if we will ever trade major prospects, again.

[Bellhorn04]

It's funny, it seems like nobody here cares that much who the next CBO is. It used to be a big deal. But now we're all so jaded by all Henry's hirings and firings and don't expect anyone to last for long anyway...

[mvp 78]

It's funny, it seems like nobody here cares that much who the next CBO is. It used to be a big deal. But now we're all so jaded by all Henry's hirings and firings and don't expect anyone to last for long anyway...

 

A fish rots from the head down.

[Old Red]

It's funny, it seems like nobody here cares that much who the next CBO is. It used to be a big deal. But now we're all so jaded by all Henry's hirings and firings and don't expect anyone to last for long anyway...

 

It used to be a big deal, because being CBO of the Red Sox used to be a big deal, but JH has changed all that, and has devalued the job itself by the FO situation. Like I said before that I don’t believe the Red Sox are seen in very good light by the rest of MLB.

[notin]

It's funny, it seems like nobody here cares that much who the next CBO is. It used to be a big deal. But now we're all so jaded by all Henry's hirings and firings and don't expect anyone to last for long anyway...

 

 

They may have already hired and fired two more people…

[oldtimer]

Funny how much hate gets expressed against Henry. Personally, I'm glad to see Bloom go. On the other hand, I'm not optimistic the next person will be a world beater.

[Hugh2]

Maybe they can make a reality tv show about it. Who wants to be the next Red Sox G.M.

[jad]

Funny how much hate gets expressed against Henry. Personally, I'm glad to see Bloom go. On the other hand, I'm not optimistic the next person will be a world beater.

 

Why funny? Henry is ultimately responsible for (i.e., signing off on) gutting the RS we once enjoyed rooting for: Betts, Bogey, Nate, Vaz, Beni. Replacing them with 'bargains' (guys with legal issues, guys with injury histories). That and a series of last place finishes. Until JH comes out and shows convincingly that BLoom was defying his vision and orders, I'll continue to blame him.

[mvp 78]

Henry is the reason Betts isn’t here. f*** him.

[Duran Is The Man]

Henry is the reason Betts isn’t here. f*** him.

 

ditto.

[moonslav59]

Why funny? Henry is ultimately responsible for (i.e., signing off on) gutting the RS we once enjoyed rooting for: Betts, Bogey, Nate, Vaz, Beni. Replacing them with 'bargains' (guys with legal issues, guys with injury histories). That and a series of last place finishes. Until JH comes out and shows convincingly that BLoom was defying his vision and orders, I'll continue to blame him.

 

It's funny in the sense that we went 80 years without a ring, then got 4 under Henry. Now, we go 5 years without one- in a 30 team league, and the guy is a loser.

 

You may disagree, but certainly, you should at least be able to see why some are chuckling.

 

I could see, if our farm was now barren, and the 26 man roster was loaded with over the hill, high-priced players, but there seems to be some sort of strategy that involves being better in the near future.

[Hugh2]

Henry is the reason Betts isn’t here. f*** him.

 

brevity is the soul of wit.

 

f*** John Henry

[Dipre]

It's funny in the sense that we went 80 years without a ring, then got 4 under Henry. Now, we go 5 years without one- in a 30 team league, and the guy is a loser.

 

You may disagree, but certainly, you should at least be able to see why some are chuckling.

 

I could see, if our farm was now barren, and the 26 man roster was loaded with over the hill, high-priced players, but there seems to be some sort of strategy that involves being better in the near future.

 

While this is true (and I have said this before) it's also true that Henry has been all over the place the last 10 years, even with two WS wins. He needs to pick a lane and stick to it.

[jad]

It's funny in the sense that we went 80 years without a ring, then got 4 under Henry. Now, we go 5 years without one- in a 30 team league, and the guy is a loser.

 

You may disagree, but certainly, you should at least be able to see why some are chuckling.

 

I could see, if our farm was now barren, and the 26 man roster was loaded with over the hill, high-priced players, but there seems to be some sort of strategy that involves being better in the near future.

 

Please detail that strategy that has led to so many last place expensive finishes in the PRESENT.

[mvp 78]

It's funny in the sense that we went 80 years without a ring, then got 4 under Henry. Now, we go 5 years without one- in a 30 team league, and the guy is a loser.

 

You may disagree, but certainly, you should at least be able to see why some are chuckling.

 

I could see, if our farm was now barren, and the 26 man roster was loaded with over the hill, high-priced players, but there seems to be some sort of strategy that involves being better in the near future.

 

It's not the lack of a WS, it's that he enforced a teardown that included dumping one of the greatest Red Sox players of all time.

[mvp 78]

While this is true (and I have said this before) it's also true that Henry has been all over the place the last 10 years, even with two WS wins. He needs to pick a lane and stick to it.

 

Henry is the sole reason they are struggling to find a replacement CBO/GM.