Bloom fired

[Elktonnick]

Oh, I’ve been out of the news loop for 24 hours.

 

That is something.

 

When an interview for a job takes place it’s not just about a company seeing if a candidate is the right fit. At times the candidate is also feeling out the potential employer. Henry should know this.

 

The only thing that makes this not outrageous to me is if they plan on doing a second round of interviews about guys they’re serious about. He has to be there for that.

 

If not, Henry should make a public statement that he is an owner in principal and financial stake alone. The decision making process is 100% in Kennedy hands. I haven’t heard that.

For the record Henry is more interested in expanding FSG's holdings than making sure the Red Sox return to the playoffs.IMO

[Bellhorn04]

For the record Henry is more interested in expanding FSG's holdings than making sure the Red Sox return to the playoffs.IMO

 

I'm starting to buy into the idea that Henry's focus on the Sox isn't what it used to be.

 

But the Sox are still a massively valuable asset, and I don't think Henry has lost sight of that. I'm quite sure that back-to-back losing seasons played a big part in Chaim Bloom being shown the door.

[Old Red]

Blustery Sam's next move should be to publicly blast all the candidates who turned down interviews!

 

Didn’t Sam already do that in that press conference with Cora when he said Boston is where anyone would want to be, and if they didn’t want to be there then they wouldn’t want them anyway? Tough words from Sam The Sham.

[Old Red]

I'm starting to buy into the idea that Henry's focus on the Sox isn't what it used to be.

 

But the Sox are still a massively valuable asset, and I don't think Henry has lost sight of that. I'm quite sure that back-to-back losing seasons played a big part in Chaim Bloom being shown the door.

 

I’ve been saying that for two years now that this is not the same JH who bought the club in the first place, or even 10 years ago.

[Hugh2]

Whether or not it’s true Henry has “lost interest” is irrelevant. Because it’s not a zero sum game, he can be a hands off owner and just flash the money and the team would be fine.

 

Now that very well may be the case with Henry, and if it’s, it’s not because he bought other businesses it’s because he kind of sucks as a person.

 

I’m starting to think Henry really sucks as a person.

[Bellhorn04]

Whether or not it’s true Henry has “lost interest” is irrelevant. Because it’s not a zero sum game, he can be a hands off owner and just flash the money and the team would be fine.

 

Now that very well may be the case with Henry, and if it’s, it’s not because he bought other businesses it’s because he kind of sucks as a person.

 

I’m starting to think Henry really sucks as a person.

 

Henry doesn't suck as a person. He's impatient and he's become mercurial. Maybe the departure of Lucchino had a bigger impact than we thought it might. Lucchino understood PR and how you to have to keep the customer satisfied to keep the cash cow in full health.

[Old Red]

Henry doesn't suck as a person. He's impatient and he's become mercurial. Maybe the departure of Lucchino had a bigger impact than we thought it might. Lucchino understood PR and how you to have to keep the customer satisfied to keep the cash cow in full health.

As JH said on the Felger, and Mazz show that Lucchino ran the Red Sox.

[Elktonnick]

Whether or not it’s true Henry has “lost interest” is irrelevant. Because it’s not a zero sum game, he can be a hands off owner and just flash the money and the team would be fine.

 

Now that very well may be the case with Henry, and if it’s, it’s not because he bought other businesses it’s because he kind of sucks as a person.

 

I’m starting to think Henry really sucks as a person.

 

I do not think Henry sucks as a person but his personality type is more data driven than people oriented. He knows that FSG as a business entity has more growth potential in other areas than MLB. That is where he has his main focus.

[Bellhorn04]

I do not think Henry sucks as a person but his personality type is more data driven than people oriented. He knows that FSG as a business entity has more growth potential in other areas than MLB. That is where he has his main focus.

 

But how do you explain the decision to fire Bloom?

[notin]

Henry doesn't suck as a person. He's impatient and he's become mercurial. Maybe the departure of Lucchino had a bigger impact than we thought it might. Lucchino understood PR and how you to have to keep the customer satisfied to keep the cash cow in full health.

 

That does make sense.

 

As unlikable as Lucchino was, the man has a long career with winning sports teams. He has World Series rings, a Super Bowl ring, and Final Four watch ( and is apparently the only human being with such a collection ever).

 

I could see his departure being a large factor…

[Old Red]

But how do you explain the decision to fire Bloom?

 

Especially when Bloom had so much heat on himself that he took some of the heat off JH. Now all the heat is on JH.

[Hugh2]

John Henry also lives in a different world than he did a few decades ago.

 

There’s more money in baseball in other markets. It’s easy to spend big and when when there’s only a few other teams doing it. But the number of big market teams has easily doubled this century.

 

Sox have seen their revenues expand with new media as well. Henry has to realize whoever he hires, can only be so successful if he doesn’t open back up the spigot.

 

Don’t try to compete with Steve Cohen, but be time every three years you can be outspending everyone else.

 

Boston is supposed to be a big market. Henry is forgiven if he starts acting like it again.

[Hugh2]

Whether or not it’s true Henry has “lost interest” is irrelevant. Because it’s not a zero sum game, he can be a hands off owner and just flash the money and the team would be fine.

 

Now that very well may be the case with Henry, and if it’s, it’s not because he bought other businesses it’s because he kind of sucks as a person.

 

I’m starting to think Henry really sucks as a person.

 

According to Rob Bradfords latest tweet this appears to be exactly the case, which does make me feel a lot better. Perhaps Henry is finally able to see the Forrest for the trees.

 

Or not.

[Tedballgame]

But how do you explain the decision to fire Bloom?

 

In my opinion, some of Bloom's biggest mistakes that led to his firing are:

 

a. The poor return for Mookie Betts.

b. Not resigning Kyle Schwarber. The dude has 52 homers this year so far. He is a good teammate, patient hitter and he would have signed for a reasonable amount.

c. Not resigning Eovaldi and Wacha.

d. Holding on to aging veterans at the last two trade deadlines when he could have got some decent prospects for a lot of them.

e. Not adding anything at the last two trade deadlines. If you don't sell, you have to buy right?

f. The last two teams have been poorly constructed.

g. Signing Kluber

 

Granted, Bloom did make some good moves during his tenure but the team just looked uninterested and undermanned the last two years. The fans aren't excited about the team. Attendance is down. Something had to change.

[dgalehouse]

John Henry seems to grow more remote , more removed from operations and more reclusive every day.

[moonslav59]

I’ve been saying that for two years now that this is not the same JH who bought the club in the first place, or even 10 years ago.

 

10 years ago, the Sox were in the middle of a 3 years period of spending under the tax line.

 

This is not something new for JH.

 

He has spent in cycles. The major difference is that more teams have passed his spending levels.

 

I get the argument: we charge more for tickets, so we should spend more than most or all other owners, but that's not how business works. You charge what people will pay. You give them a product good enough to keep them paying. (This last point is pushing the limits, of late.)

 

I don't buy the "JH has lost focus on the Sox." He is a very capable business man. He is able to delegate when and where needed, or he wouldn't be where he is, right now. He may or may not choose to splurge again, and it seems more apparent, the fate of the Sox future may depend on that happening- or not.

 

The building up of the farm is a common strategy designed to lessen the need to splurge as much and as often as you might with a weaker farm, but that remains to be seen.

[moonslav59]

In my opinion, some of Bloom's biggest mistakes that led to his firing are:

 

a. The poor return for Mookie Betts.

b. Not resigning Kyle Schwarber. The dude has 52 homers this year so far. He is a good teammate, patient hitter and he would have signed for a reasonable amount.

c. Not resigning Eovaldi and Wacha.

d. Holding on to aging veterans at the last two trade deadlines when he could have got some decent prospects for a lot of them.

e. Not adding anything at the last two trade deadlines. If you don't sell, you have to buy right?

f. The last two teams have been poorly constructed.

g. Signing Kluber

 

Granted, Bloom did make some good moves during his tenure but the team just looked uninterested and undermanned the last two years. The fans aren't excited about the team. Attendance is down. Something had to change.

 

I do not think any team was willing to pay more than Dugo, Wong and Downs for Betts and 1/2 Price. Probably 25 or more teams couldn't even afford the two.

 

The Schwarber bolting to the Phillies was his choice. We had a DH and chose not to outbid them. It was reasonable, at the time, but Schwarber sure has looked great since he left, despite the .207 BA and back-to-back league leading K totals (415 in 1162 ABs!)

 

Bloom offered Nate a QO and an offer larger than the Rangers gave him. Nate said no, and he moved on and signed other players. I really wanted both back, too. I'd have topped the Wacha deal he got.

 

I was all for a firesale in 2022, including trying to talk Bogey into allowing a trade. Agreed. I think many fans would have been super pissed- like those pissed about him trading Betts.

 

He did add McGuire, Abreu, EValdez and Rosier in 2022, but I agree- it should have been more. (Look at the grief he got for dumping just Vaz. Imagine him dumping JD, Bogey, Nate, Wacha, Hill and Strahm!) Still, he shoulda done it- agreed. I was not for dumping in 2023, but that would have helped, too.

 

I think Bloom did a pretty good job with his additions to the 2022 team, but the 2021 team did not return what they gave that year. The additions were not enough. The pen neglect came back to bite his ass. He fixed that for 2023, but playing Whack-a-Mole is something he was not good at.

 

Kluber was not a bad gamble for a 5th starter type, but we needed a 1 and 3, at worst. He spent almost all the winter budget on batting (Yoshida & Duvall) and the pen (Jansen & Martin.) He blew it and deserved to be fired.

 

[notin]

In my opinion, some of Bloom's biggest mistakes that led to his firing are:

 

a. The poor return for Mookie Betts.

 

I preferred taking the initial package with Graterol, but really, there were only two teams showing any interest.

 

b. Not resigning Kyle Schwarber. The dude has 52 homers this year so far. He is a good teammate, patient hitter and he would have signed for a reasonable amount.

c. Not resigning Eovaldi and Wacha.[/Quote]

 

Schwarber certainly could have outperformed the first base crowd in 2022 and waited out JD for DH. Eovaldi would have been good. Wacha’s history and contract ( which isn’t as friendly as it looks at first glance) gives me second thoughts.

 

d. Holding on to aging veterans at the last two trade deadlines when he could have got some decent prospects for a lot of them.

e. Not adding anything at the last two trade deadlines. If you don't sell, you have to buy right? [/Quote]

 

These are really the same complaint, but of this why he was fired, he should be refuted so he can be gutted again for these transgressions.

 

g. Signing Kluber

 

Kluber was a flop, but a one year deal for a 3.0 fWAR pitcher the season previous isn’t a mistake in theory; it was a move that simply didn’t work out. At a minimum, this deal at least impacts nothing going forward.

 

Granted, Bloom did make some good moves during his tenure but the team just looked uninterested and undermanned the last two years. The fans aren't excited about the team. Attendance is down. Something had to change.

 

 

Hopefully the new guy can be more decisive and not simply sit idly by while a team in contention needs help…

[moonslav59]

I preferred taking the initial package with Graterol, but really, there were only two teams showing any interest.

 

They should have taken Dugo, Maeda and Wong.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If Bloom traded JD and signed Schwarber, it would've made more sense to sign Senga instead of Yoshida. And then maybe not felt the need for any Kluber.

 

These aren't too far-fetched alternate realities, except for thing: no club will swap anything for a large contract with an opt-out, because if they really want a player, they won't want to risk losing him for nothing.

 

So once again -- it's all Dombrowski's damn fault for the opt-out contracts!!!!

[moonslav59]

If Bloom traded JD and signed Schwarber, it would've made more sense to sign Senga instead of Yoshida. And then maybe not felt the need for any Kluber.

 

These aren't too far-fetched alternate realities, except for thing: no club will swap anything for a large contract with an opt-out, because if they really want a player, they won't want to risk losing him for nothing.

 

So once again -- it's all Dombrowski's damn fault for the opt-out contracts!!!!

 

There was no opt out after 2020, except for a mutual one based on injury.

 

per cots...

 

may opt out of contract after both 2019 ($2.5M buyout) and 2020 seasons (no buyout)

2021 and 2022 seasons become mutual options if Martinez has a Lisfranc injury or complication to his right foot causing him to be:

1) on the disabled list for 60 days or more in previous season, or

2) on the disabled list for 10 days or more in the previous season and 120 days or more in the two previous seasons combined, or

3) on the disabled list at the end of the previous season and found not able to play at the start of the next season

[Elktonnick]

John Henry seems to grow more remote , more removed from operations and more reclusive every day.

Only on the Boston market. He actually has been quite active elsewhere.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

There was no opt out after 2020, except for a mutual one based on injury.

 

per cots...

 

may opt out of contract after both 2019 ($2.5M buyout) and 2020 seasons (no buyout)

2021 and 2022 seasons become mutual options if Martinez has a Lisfranc injury or complication to his right foot causing him to be:

1) on the disabled list for 60 days or more in previous season, or

2) on the disabled list for 10 days or more in the previous season and 120 days or more in the two previous seasons combined, or

3) on the disabled list at the end of the previous season and found not able to play at the start of the next season

 

So Schwarber's agent told him wrong?

[Elktonnick]

But how do you explain the decision to fire Bloom?

Simple Bloom sucked at his job. Cora and the rest of the Red Sox FO wanted him out as did the vast majority of Red Sox Nation except the Legion of Bloom the majority of whom are found here. Henry accepted the wishes.

[moonslav59]

Simple Bloom sucked at his job. Cora and the rest of the Red Sox FO wanted him out as did the vast majority of Red Sox Nation except the Legion of Bloom the majority of whom are found here. Henry accepted the wishes.

 

Not one poster said we should keep Bloom, yet you persist with your strawman construction.

[notin]

Not one poster said we should keep Bloom, yet you persist with your strawman construction.

 

For a guy quick to insult the reading comprehension of other, he sure does struggle with the ol’ nouns and verbs…

[notin]

They should have taken Dugo, Maeda and Wong.

 

I don’t know of that was ever offered, but in would have at least hoped for a better pitcher than Maeda, who has only started 53 games in the past 4 years with a 106 ERA+.

 

If we’re getting a hindsight package, maybe fewer oft-injured pitchers..,

[Elktonnick]

Not one poster said we should keep Bloom, yet you persist with your strawman construction.

 

Horse s*** You only came late to the party after it was a fait accompli. You have zigged and zagged on Bloom for the last several months and have taken every position possible, so you could cover your ass and claim you were right whatever the outcome.

[Elktonnick]

For a guy quick to insult the reading comprehension of other, he sure does struggle with the ol’ nouns and verbs…

 

You who has the reading comprehension level of a third grader are in no position to lecture anyone on nouns and verbs.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Elktonnick

[Old Red]

Horse s*** You only came late to the party after it was a fait accompli. You have zigged and zagged on Bloom for the last several months and have taken every position possible, so you could cover your ass and claim you were right whatever the outcome.

 

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