Bloom fired

[mvp 78]

Sham, spam. Please name just one MLB team over the past 100 years who stated publicly that they were not much interested in winning, but just wanted to kind of get through the next season.

 

To be honest, maybe the Pirates have said that or even the Orioles. But a wealthy team like the Sox? Never. Bloom had absolutely no choice but to say his intent was to keep the Sox competitive.

 

As for his utter failure to fix the pitching, I blame almost all of that on JH who decided during the 2019 season that never again would he invest heavily in starters--not even enough to keep Eovaldi and Wacha after last season.

 

Along the same line, I believe JH is the one who decided to cut the payroll to an unprecedented 15th in MLB. Thus too the departures of Mookie and Bogey for greener pastures.

 

On the other hand, I agree that so far Bloom's two priciest acquisitions, Story and Yoshida, have come nowhere near earning their pay. Plus a whole bunch of pitchers.

 

Does Theo's "bridge year" comment count?

[moonslav59]

People have been saying this lately, but the Sox just came off an ALCS trip. I don't buy it.

 

I've thought it possible since day one, but there is no evidence to support this opinion.

[moonslav59]

One omission we heard about is the failure trade Sale when we are told a team was lined up to accept his full contract. That would have freed up $27 mil or enough to sign a durable ace. Bloom supposedly held out for more and instead got zero. Sale did pitch better toward the end of the year but not in comparison to his contract and now he is likely to remain with the club in 2024. Nothing against Sale, but his durability remains in question. To me, this situation just added to his display of indecisiveness. Taken together, his approach was not adding competitiveness to the club and he was let go.

 

Agreed, and had we traded Sale, it would have been further evidence we were not serious about "winning now."

[notin]

Does Theo's "bridge year" comment count?

 

No because he said it right after signing John Lackey to the largest free agent contract given to a pitcher in team history at the time…

[moonslav59]

No because he said it right after signing John Lackey to the largest free agent contract given to a pitcher in team history at the time…

 

It was his bridge gift to Ben.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I mean, I've seen some shams in my day, I don't think this was one of them.

 

 

 

 

The Shamwow guy can't hit or catch, and the angry band shouter always gets picked off base.

 

Wolly Bully is just another DH.

[moonslav59]

I mean, I've seen some shams in my day, I don't think this was one of them.

 

 

 

 

Now, That's Entertainment!

 

 

[mvp 78]

How's the search going?

 

According to McAdam:

 

According to multiple sources, the Red Sox have been been met with a number of rejections by some targeted candidates as they seek to find a replacement to replace Chaim Bloom, fired in September. Some of those prospective hires have been put off by the level of turnover that’s taken place in the Baseball Operations department over the last dozen years or so. The new hire will be the fifth person in charge of the department since 2011.

 

And increasingly, sources add, there’s concern about the surrounding infrastructure. The new hire will not only be inheriting manager Alex Cora, whose job has been guaranteed by ownership for at least 2024, but also, a front office that includes several executives who’ve been part of the organization for more than two decades, along with various other department heads who come with the job.

 

Sam will still be there. Eddie, BOH and Cora will still be there. How will the new CBO have any autonomy. They're basically being plugged into the Red Sox machine and expected to completely change the results somehow.

[Hugh2]

How's the search going?

 

According to McAdam:

 

According to multiple sources, the Red Sox have been been met with a number of rejections by some targeted candidates as they seek to find a replacement to replace Chaim Bloom, fired in September. Some of those prospective hires have been put off by the level of turnover that’s taken place in the Baseball Operations department over the last dozen years or so. The new hire will be the fifth person in charge of the department since 2011.

 

And increasingly, sources add, there’s concern about the surrounding infrastructure. The new hire will not only be inheriting manager Alex Cora, whose job has been guaranteed by ownership for at least 2024, but also, a front office that includes several executives who’ve been part of the organization for more than two decades, along with various other department heads who come with the job.

 

Sam will still be there. Eddie, BOH and Cora will still be there. How will the new CBO have any autonomy. They're basically being plugged into the Red Sox machine and expected to completely change the results somehow.

 

Is Eddie, BOH, and Cora the reason for said results? Those guys were here for 2018, and Romero for mulitple championships. From what I can tell those guys aren't the problem, I'd concede on letting Cora go for the right GM/CBO but I'd rather higher Romero to be the GM/CBO before I'd ever let him go for someone else.

 

Big league decisions have hurt this club, that does not necessarily mean those guys are responsible for that. Bloom is the one with the biggest stamp on this team right now. Would be a nice slap in the face to Henry though if no one wanted to work for him.

 

I'd love to grab Henry by the shoulders, hysterically slapping him back and forth and saying "if you have to keep hiring new guys, and said guys never do the job you want, maybe the problem is you"

[moonslav59]

... They're basically being plugged into the Red Sox machine and expected to completely change the results somehow.

 

Something it appears Bloom willingly accepted, four years ago.

[Old Red]

How's the search going?

 

According to McAdam:

 

According to multiple sources, the Red Sox have been been met with a number of rejections by some targeted candidates as they seek to find a replacement to replace Chaim Bloom, fired in September. Some of those prospective hires have been put off by the level of turnover that’s taken place in the Baseball Operations department over the last dozen years or so. The new hire will be the fifth person in charge of the department since 2011.

 

And increasingly, sources add, there’s concern about the surrounding infrastructure. The new hire will not only be inheriting manager Alex Cora, whose job has been guaranteed by ownership for at least 2024, but also, a front office that includes several executives who’ve been part of the organization for more than two decades, along with various other department heads who come with the job.

 

Sam will still be there. Eddie, BOH and Cora will still be there. How will the new CBO have any autonomy. They're basically being plugged into the Red Sox machine and expected to completely change the results somehow.

Like I said after Bloom got booted, and BOH was named Exec VP of baseball ops, and Cora was told he was coming back with undoubtedly more power that people would be all lined up outside JH door for a job interview despite what Sam The Sham says.

[moonslav59]

 

I'd love to grab Henry by the shoulders, hysterically slapping him back and forth and saying "if you have to keep hiring new guys, and said guys never do the job you want, maybe the problem is you"

 

He may very well think, all the guys he hired mostly did what he wanted them to do.

[Bellhorn04]

I'd love to grab Henry by the shoulders, hysterically slapping him back and forth and saying "if you have to keep hiring new guys, and said guys never do the job you want, maybe the problem is you"

 

Especially when the new guys seem to do the job he wanted them to do.

[Old Red]

Something it appears Bloom willingly accepted, four years ago.

 

Unfortunately JH accepted Bloom without interviewing anyone else, and the word was that some turned down interviews the last time. Once again the Red Sox job is nowhere near as sort after as it used to be, and that’s all on JH. He needs to go. 4 titles, or not.

[notin]

The Shamwow guy can't hit or catch

 

But he sure can pitch! (Rimshot)

 

 

Also I’m a tad disappointed in you for missing that one…

[mvp 78]

Unfortunately JH accepted Bloom without interviewing anyone else, and the word was that some turned down interviews the last time. Once again the Red Sox job is nowhere near as sort after as it used to be, and that’s all on JH. He needs to go. 4 titles, or not.

 

The FO needs an enema. There's about 4-5 people that need to go just to give the new CBO room to breathe.

[Duran Is The Man]

meanwhile, his previous GM is on his way to his second straight NLCS. i think JH is his own worst enemy sometimes.

[Bellhorn04]

meanwhile, his previous GM is on his way to his second straight NLCS. i think JH is his own worst enemy sometimes.

 

JH was doing great until 2019. That was when his thinking started to go sideways.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

JH was doing great until 2019. That was when his thinking started to go sideways.

 

His character from Moneyball was always lurking. Maybe Bloom copiously studied the book and movie before his interview and totally told him what he wanted to hear.

 

"That's it -- no more interviews! (I'm tired...) "

[Old Red]

The FO needs an enema. There's about 4-5 people that need to go just to give the new CBO room to breathe.

 

Agree with the cleansing. Bloom had plenty of blame on him, but he was far from the only one, and shouldn’t be the only one who is shown the door let alone get a new job title like Exex VP of baseball ops.

[moonslav59]

Unfortunately JH accepted Bloom without interviewing anyone else, and the word was that some turned down interviews the last time. Once again the Red Sox job is nowhere near as sort after as it used to be, and that’s all on JH. He needs to go. 4 titles, or not.

 

I'm still not sure why you keep harping on the "no other interviews" aspect of the Bloom signing. Are you envisioning some other candidate wowing JH so much he'd change his mind from someone he obviously wanted, badly.

 

The top brass wanted Bloom. They wanted him, so much, they did not think anyone could be better.

[moonslav59]

Agree with the cleansing. Bloom had plenty of blame on him, but he was far from the only one, and shouldn’t be the only one who is shown the door let alone get a new job title like Exex VP of baseball ops.

 

I'm tired of Kennedy, but without knowing who had a strong hand in some of the most egregious mistakes over the years, I'm not sure who and who should not go.

 

Like others here, I think Romero should stay, but I don't really know what his influence has been for good and bad.

 

Does anyone know?

 

Many of the guys we are blaming for the current state of the team were also here for the 2016-2018 era.

[moonslav59]

JH was doing great until 2019. That was when his thinking started to go sideways.

 

I think he did a similar thing with Ben, but the miracle 2013 team swept it under the rug.

 

Had 2021 not occurred, we'd probably be where we are today, after 2022.

[Old Red]

I'm still not sure why you keep harping on the "no other interviews" aspect of the Bloom signing. Are you envisioning some other candidate wowing JH so much he'd change his mind from someone he obviously wanted, badly.

 

The top brass wanted Bloom. They wanted him, so much, they did not think anyone could be better.

 

The word was others turned down interviews, so while Bloom may have been their top prize others were considered. Some sold JH on Bloom, and whoever that was should have gone out the door with Bloom for giving the Red Sox the Booby prize for hiring Bloom.

[moonslav59]

The word was others turned down interviews, so while Bloom may have been their top prize others were considered. Some sold JH on Bloom, and whoever that was should have gone out the door with Bloom for giving the Red Sox the Booby prize for hiring Bloom.

 

So, why keep saying "They never interviewed anyone else?"

[notin]

meanwhile, his previous GM is on his way to his second straight NLCS. i think JH is his own worst enemy sometimes.

 

I doubt Boston would be in better shape if they didn’t for Dombrowski. The budget was fairly maxed out when he left…

[notin]

The word was others turned down interviews, so while Bloom may have been their top prize others were considered. Some sold JH on Bloom, and whoever that was should have gone out the door with Bloom for giving the Red Sox the Booby prize for hiring Bloom.

 

Why?

 

No one else wanted the job, according to you and your sources. That’s not on Bloom or on whoever hired or recommended Bloom…

[Old Red]

So, why keep saying "They never interviewed anyone else?"

 

Because they didn’t. Maybe Bloom wasn’t sought after as much as people think, but only one who would take the job.

[Old Red]

Why?

 

No one else wanted the job, according to you and your sources. That’s not on Bloom or on whoever hired or recommended Bloom…

 

Where does it say NO ONE else wanted the job? Saying that others turned down interviews does not mean EVERYONE.

[notin]

Where does it say NO ONE else wanted the job? Saying that others turned down interviews does not mean EVERYONE.

 

Just everyone they asked…