Bloom fired

[moonslav59]

I don't think Simmons wants to play much anymore.

 

Not getting Iggy seemed weird.

 

I wonder, if he left on bad terms, for some reason, after that rental season in 2021.

[Dipre]

The hit pieces are hinting at Bloom being very indecisive and that issue frustrating both Cora and Kennedy. It's been mentioned by multiple outlets, even here in "Columbia student says we hate haitians" land.

[moonslav59]

The hit pieces are hinting at Bloom being very indecisive and that issue frustrating both Cora and Kennedy. It's been mentioned by multiple outlets, even here in "Columbia student says we hate haitians" land.

 

To me, they are being a bit hypocritical.

 

They are saying Bloom's major defect was building for the here and now, and I don't disagree.

 

Then, they blast him for not making (or being "indecisive") on deals that would have been trading away here and now players for prospects (and the future.)

 

I'm not saying the criticism is unfounded or off base, but did they want him to trade JD, Sale, Nate and others, or not? They are trying to have it both ways.

[Bellhorn04]

To me, they are being a bit hypocritical.

 

They are saying Bloom's major defect was building for the here and now, and I don't disagree.

 

Then, they blast him for not making (or being "indecisive") on deals that would have been trading away here and now players for prospects (and the future.)

 

I'm not saying the criticism is unfounded or off base, but did they want him to trade JD, Sale, Nate and others, or not? They are trying to have it both ways.

 

What I'm gathering is that he was indecisive in general, not just on the deals you're talking about.

[Dipre]

What I'm gathering is that he was indecisive in general, not just on the deals you're talking about.

 

That's what's being put out there.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

What I'm gathering is that he was indecisive in general, not just on the deals you're talking about.

 

Bloom was also indecisive in sergeant, in corporal, in private first class, and in deserter.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom was also indecisive in sergeant, in corporal, in private first class, and in deserter.

 

Majorly indecisive.

[moonslav59]

What I'm gathering is that he was indecisive in general, not just on the deals you're talking about.

 

I get that, and I agree. His indecisiveness crippled the team.

 

My point was about the leaked stories of missed trades seem to mostly be about trading vets for prospects, while saying out of the other side of their moth, that Bloom neglected the here and now.

[Bellhorn04]

I get that, and I agree. His indecisiveness crippled the team.

 

My point was about the leaked stories of missed trades seem to mostly be about trading vets for prospects, while saying out of the other side of their moth, that Bloom neglected the here and now.

 

Yes, I commented on that part of it too.

[mvp 78]

I get that, and I agree. His indecisiveness crippled the team.

 

My point was about the leaked stories of missed trades seem to mostly be about trading vets for prospects, while saying out of the other side of their moth, that Bloom neglected the here and now.

 

No, I think the indecisiveness in prior trades prevented him from helping the here and now. If he had gotten under the CBT in 2022, they would have probably gone over in 2023. Now that Henry is potentially on board with spending more money, they'll need someone who won't hem and haw over deals. They need someone who can be truly decisive and bring guys to Boston rather than waiting out the market the way Bloom had.

[moonslav59]

No, I think the indecisiveness in prior trades prevented him from helping the here and now. If he had gotten under the CBT in 2022, they would have probably gone over in 2023. Now that Henry is potentially on board with spending more money, they'll need someone who won't hem and haw over deals. They need someone who can be truly decisive and bring guys to Boston rather than waiting out the market the way Bloom had.

 

I'm not so sure we'd have gone over, this year had we stayed under, last year. We didn't even edge up to the line, as it was.

 

The improved draft picks and bonus money did not hurt in 2023.

 

In theory, had he traded JD or had a fire sale, in 2022, maybe some of the returns would have been helping us in 2023, but the vast majority of trades "missed out on" due to indecisiveness seemed like "for the future" trades, and the criticism seems to be mostly, in an overall sense, that he valued the future too much and the now, too little.

 

I'm with you on the indecisiveness being hurtful, but I was not all about the here and now, all along.

Edited September 20, 2023 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

I'm not so sure we'd have gone over, this year had we stayed under, last year. We didn't even edge up to the line, as it was.

 

The improved draft picks and bonus money did not hurt in 2023.

 

In theory, had he traded JD or had a fire sale, in 2022, maybe some of the returns would have been helping us in 2023, but the vast majority of trades "missed out on" due to indecisiveness seemed like "for the future" trades, and the criticism seems to be mostly, in an overall sense, that he valued the future too much and the now, too little.

 

I'm with you on the indecisiveness being hurtful, but I was not all about the here and now, all along.

 

Why sneak up to it if you don't trust the CBO to not accidentally go over the CBT like he did the prior year?

[moonslav59]

Why sneak up to it if you don't trust the CBO to not accidentally go over the CBT like he did the prior year?

 

You really think we'd have gone over the line, this year, had we stayed under, last year?

 

I have serious doubts.

[mvp 78]

You really think we'd have gone over the line, this year, had we stayed under, last year?

 

I have serious doubts.

 

Yes, I do.

[moonslav59]

Yes, I do.

 

I'm not sure, one way or the other.

 

I kinda feel like 2024 or beyond has always been their true goal on splurging, but I don't know what to believe, anymore.

[Bellhorn04]

Why sneak up to it if you don't trust the CBO to not accidentally go over the CBT like he did the prior year?

 

It wasn't "accidentally". It's not like they made a math error.

[vegasbob]

Bloom, I imagine was a consensus builder who effectively made decisions by group discussions and analytical reviews. His indecisiveness or "paralysis of the analysis" is a typical outcome of this methodology. They try more to avoid mistakes than to make significant moves. In retrospect, you can see this philosophy in action coming from a Yale grad majoring in Latin classics.

 

Although his entire working career , all the way to 40 years old ( hah!) , has been involved with baseball for no apparent reason, he is not a relatable personality to players or field level operations.

 

Glad he is gone because he was not going to breakout of his mindset as a conservative , group decision making , bureaucrat . Should be working in government where the outcomes do not matter.

[Randy Red Sox]

No, I think the indecisiveness in prior trades prevented him from helping the here and now. If he had gotten under the CBT in 2022, they would have probably gone over in 2023. Now that Henry is potentially on board with spending more money, they'll need someone who won't hem and haw over deals. They need someone who can be truly decisive and bring guys to Boston rather than waiting out the market the way Bloom had.

 

you mean someone like DD ?

[mvp 78]

you mean someone like DD ?

 

No, someone like Theo.

[notin]

you mean someone like DD ?

 

No. That would create an endless cycle. Four years from now, the team would need another Bloom Clone to rebuild the farm and wrangle in control of the payroll for a few years…

[jad]

Not a Bloom fan, but I wouldn't believe anything "that's out there," particularly negative things, regarding anyone the RS have let go.

[mvp 78]

Not a Bloom fan, but I wouldn't believe anything "that's out there," particularly negative things, regarding anyone the RS have let go.

 

You don’t believe sources from outside the organization?

[vegasbob]

Not a Bloom fan, but I wouldn't believe anything "that's out there," particularly negative things, regarding anyone the RS have let go.

 

Someday over the winter, Bloom will get interviewed and provide his own story. It will be nuanced and non-argumentative because he will want another baseball job within a year or so. he also probably signed a NDA , if not already in his contract, so he can collect his last contract year pay. Bloom will be around baseball, including the staff of MLB , for the next 2-30 years. He would fit well in the Commissioner's office.

[moonslav59]

A lot of speculation going on.

[jad]

You don’t believe sources from outside the organization?

 

 

no. Do you?

[Bellhorn04]

no. Do you?

 

All you can really do is decide which stories pass your smell test.

 

The stories that Bloom was indecisive do pass my smell test.

[notin]

All you can really do is decide which stories pass your smell test.

 

The stories that Bloom was indecisive do pass my smell test.

 

So why did they keep him around for four years?

[Bellhorn04]

So why did they keep him around for four years?

 

Because the problem revealed itself over time, as problems often do, and eventually reached the proverbial tipping point.

 

That's my best guess, anyway.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So why did they keep him around for four years?

 

Has to be either Covid or the vaccine -- one or both must stunt the sense of smell, taste, and common.

 

Or, like me, the owners have deviated septums (among other things).

[notin]

Because the problem revealed itself over time, as problems often do, and eventually reached the proverbial tipping point.

 

That's my best guess, anyway.

 

The Sox under Henry also have a long history of taking a shots at those they dismiss…