Red Sox Starting Rotation 2023

[moonslav59]

Pivetta maybe? I don't see it for Kluber. If Kluber gets his control back, he can get back into a rotation somewhere.

 

If either is doing okay, and a SP'er goes on the IL (likely) one will probably start, again.

[Bellhorn04]

If either is doing okay, and a SP'er goes on the IL (likely) one will probably start, again.

 

Yahoo!

[mvp 78]

Yahoo!

 

Go get it Lycos!

[moonslav59]

Yahoo!

 

Something to look forward to.... NOT!

 

LOL

 

The key phrase was "if either is doing okay..."

[Larry Cook]

When does kluber get fitted for his red Star Trek security personnel jersey?

[Duran Is The Man]

when does kluber get fitted for his red star trek security personnel jersey?

 

lol

[Randy Red Sox]

who actually thinks Kluber has any trade value??

[Bellhorn04]

who actually thinks Kluber has any trade value??

 

Don't think anyone said he did.

[Old Red]

Last time through the rotation in innings pitched.

Pax 3.0

Houck 4.0

Kluber 2.1

Whit 5.0

Bello 4.0

 

These performances put a lot of stress on the BP having to go 4+ innings in all these starts. There may be 8 so called pitchers in the BP, but Martin, and Jansen are late innings guys, so the other 6 have to pick up the slack. That’s what I was trying to say with Bello last night that only going 4 innings no matter how good, or how bad he did is unacceptable. The point was the BP had to pitch 5 innings, and at the rate they’re going they will be worn out by the AS break.

[Dipre]

Of the entire rotation, the only one who has an actual excuse to not provide IP is Bello. He's a rookie, and he still provided run prevention, thus giving the team a chance to win.

[mvp 78]

Of the entire rotation, the only one who has an actual excuse to not provide IP is Bello. He's a rookie, and he still provided run prevention, thus giving the team a chance to win.

 

Whitlock going 5 seems fine since he's coming off of injury and still doesn't have a long track record of starting.

[Bellhorn04]

Whitlock going 5 seems fine since he's coming off of injury and still doesn't have a long track record of starting.

 

Frankly we only have one guy, Sale, who's a good bet to get past 5.

 

Whitlock will become another, hopefully.

[mvp 78]

Frankly we only have one guy, Sale, who's a good bet to get past 5.

 

Whitlock will become another, hopefully.

 

Paxton had 2 good starts and 1 bad. Needs to see more of him if he can stay healthy. Hard to really count on him for anything though.

[Dipre]

Whitlock going 5 seems fine since he's coming off of injury and still doesn't have a long track record of starting.

 

Fair point.

[moonslav59]

Don't think anyone said he did.

 

We'd have to pay just about all of his remaining salary for someone to even think about wanting him. Maybe some team sees a tweak than could be tried to turn him around, but I'm not sure a tweak can improve velo.

[Maxbialystock]

Last time through the rotation in innings pitched.

Pax 3.0

Houck 4.0

Kluber 2.1

Whit 5.0

Bello 4.0

 

These performances put a lot of stress on the BP having to go 4+ innings in all these starts. There may be 8 so called pitchers in the BP, but Martin, and Jansen are late innings guys, so the other 6 have to pick up the slack. That’s what I was trying to say with Bello last night that only going 4 innings no matter how good, or how bad he did is unacceptable. The point was the BP had to pitch 5 innings, and at the rate they’re going they will be worn out by the AS break.

 

It's just not that simple. Yes, IP is a big deal for a starter, and this time Bello only pitched 4. But guess what? Last time out he went 7 innings and gave up just 2 runs and the Sox still lost, 4-0. Can you guess who came in and gave up the other 2 runs? Rodriguez, that's who.

 

And that gets to my rebuttal of your blame-shaming of Bello. He only pitched 4 innings, but he also gave up just 1 run.

 

Plus the Sox bullpen was absolutely, positively fully rested with a day off Monday and a day off last Thursday. But guess who comes in to pitch the 7th with the score 3-0 Reds? Rodriguez.

[Bellhorn04]

It's just not that simple. Yes, IP is a big deal for a starter, and this time Bello only pitched 4. But guess what? Last time out he went 7 innings and gave up just 2 runs and the Sox still lost, 4-0. Can you guess who came in and gave up the other 2 runs? Rodriguez, that's who.

 

And that gets to my rebuttal of your blame-shaming of Bello. He only pitched 4 innings, but he also gave up just 1 run.

 

Plus the Sox bullpen was absolutely, positively fully rested with a day off Monday and a day off last Thursday. But guess who comes in to pitch the 7th with the score 3-0 Reds? Rodriguez.

 

You can blame Bloom for Rodriguez. He signed him to be our top lefty reliever. Cora is supposed to use him.

[Old Red]

It's just not that simple. Yes, IP is a big deal for a starter, and this time Bello only pitched 4. But guess what? Last time out he went 7 innings and gave up just 2 runs and the Sox still lost, 4-0. Can you guess who came in and gave up the other 2 runs? Rodriguez, that's who.

 

And that gets to my rebuttal of your blame-shaming of Bello. He only pitched 4 innings, but he also gave up just 1 run.

 

Plus the Sox bullpen was absolutely, positively fully rested with a day off Monday and a day off last Thursday. But guess who comes in to pitch the 7th with the score 3-0 Reds? Rodriguez.

 

You are still missing my main point in all of this. You are looking from a SP perspective, and I’m looking at it on how many innings the BP has to throw every night. Bello going 7 innings last time was great, but only going 4 innings last night meant the BP had to go five. I don’t care if Bello had a perfect game going when they took him out last night that wouldn’t have changed that the BP had to go 5 innings last night. I wasn’t blame-shaming Bello for anything more than only pitching 4 innings, but you took it from there, and ran with it. I still say that Wink should have came into the game in the 5th inning last night only down 1-0. Paxton goes tonight, and it would be great if he could go 7, or at least 6.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You can blame Bloom for Rodriguez. He signed him to be our top lefty reliever. Cora is supposed to use him.

 

Bloom and his pitching acquisitions are becoming more exposed. Labels like hit-or-miss usually mean when they don't give up hits, it's because they miss the strike zone.

 

If Tampa ever has an ineffective pitcher, he's not a guy anyone hears too much about, and then he's gone... it's almost as if their system is a big gang of Bigfoots: a lot of sightings, but never any physical evidence of bodies or even bones when they die -- like their burial grounds are in another dimension.

 

When Bloom came to Beantown, he left that safe portal to anonymity forever. Some college students pulling all-nighters (partying, not studying) swear they can hear him howling at writers and demanding fans in the witching hour. Recently, one undergrad had a brick thrown at him by a guy wearing ERod's old uniform -- same name and number. The projectile missed by a mile... but some say it was just a warning.

[Maxbialystock]

You are still missing my main point in all of this. You are looking from a SP perspective, and I’m looking at it on how many innings the BP has to throw every night. Bello going 7 innings last time was great, but only going 4 innings last night meant the BP had to go five. I don’t care if Bello had a perfect game going when they took him out last night that wouldn’t have changed that the BP had to go 5 innings last night. I wasn’t blame-shaming Bello for anything more than only pitching 4 innings, but you took it from there, and ran with it. I still say that Wink should have came into the game in the 5th inning last night only down 1-0. Paxton goes tonight, and it would be great if he could go 7, or at least 6.

 

I'm more even-handed that you give me credit for. I've already pointed out--twice--that in the postgame Cora cited Bello's 4 innings as being a major factor in the loss. That--Bello's 4 innings--and the abysmal hitting by the Sox for the first 6 innings have to be why Cora didn't use Winck. As I just said on the game thread, sending Garza out for 1 or 2 innings was a good interim move.

 

Lively went 5.2 scoreless innings, then Young (ERA 2.91) got the last out in the 6th. He didn't come back for the 7th because by then the Reds were up 8-0. So in came Cruz, ERA 7.47, who promptly gave up 3 runs.

 

So, even though Bello--in my opinion--pitched a very gutsy 4 innings, it was just short enough--your 5 innings to be covered by the bullpen--along with the lousy hitting by the lineup for the first six innings, to persuade Cora not to use Winck.

[mvp 78]

We don't hear about Tampa's missed because all of those guys are underpaid and they play in a market that not a lot of people up here pay attention to. Bloom could sign a bunch of nobodies here, but we'd all remember them because we still do:

 

Ryan Weber!

Chris Mazza!

Zack Godley!

[moonslav59]

We don't hear about Tampa's missed because all of those guys are underpaid and they play in a market that not a lot of people up here pay attention to. Bloom could sign a bunch of nobodies here, but we'd all remember them because we still do:

 

Ryan Weber!

Chris Mazza!

Zack Godley!

 

Also...

Springs

Schreiber

Wink

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We don't hear about Tampa's missed because all of those guys are underpaid and they play in a market that not a lot of people up here pay attention to. Bloom could sign a bunch of nobodies here, but we'd all remember them because we still do:

 

Ryan Weber!

Chris Mazza!

Zack Godley!

 

There are still sightings being reported, at least of the first two! But I think one was by a couple of fishermen with a cooler of Bud.

[Hugh2]

You are still missing my main point in all of this. You are looking from a SP perspective, and I’m looking at it on how many innings the BP has to throw every night. Bello going 7 innings last time was great, but only going 4 innings last night meant the BP had to go five. I don’t care if Bello had a perfect game going when they took him out last night that wouldn’t have changed that the BP had to go 5 innings last night. I wasn’t blame-shaming Bello for anything more than only pitching 4 innings, but you took it from there, and ran with it. I still say that Wink should have came into the game in the 5th inning last night only down 1-0. Paxton goes tonight, and it would be great if he could go 7, or at least 6.

 

I don't disagree with this at all, starting pitchers that can go deeper into games saves the bullpen and holds more value. But the game has changed, starting pitchers don't go deep into games like they used too and relief pitchers are throwing more and more innings. Not going deep into games is not hurting the team, bad pitching has. We need more guys out of the bullpen that can go 2-3 and give you good innings. Teams are doing this more and more.

 

Still, you expect to get more out of your starter than 4 innings. But a lot starting pitchers are easily only going 5 innings nowadays. But there's a difference between the average and what you can get. Sometimes you need an ACE who can just go out there and throw 8+ and fully recharge a bullpen.

[mvp 78]

I don't disagree with this at all, starting pitchers that can go deeper into games saves the bullpen and holds more value. But the game has changed, starting pitchers don't go deep into games like they used too and relief pitchers are throwing more and more innings. Not going deep into games is not hurting the team, bad pitching has. We need more guys out of the bullpen that can go 2-3 and give you good innings. Teams are doing this more and more.

 

Still, you expect to get more out of your starter than 4 innings. But a lot starting pitchers are easily only going 5 innings nowadays. But there's a difference between the average and what you can get. Sometimes you need an ACE who can just go out there and throw 8+ and fully recharge a bullpen.

 

It's not so much "bad pitching" but rather relief pitchers are no longer the ham and eggers they once were. Now there are lots of guys pumping 100 with wipeout sliders. Nasty two pitch pitchers that are so much better of an option that it doesn't make much sense to really have a starter struggle to get into the 7th or 8th inning with diminished stuff. Just call for the high octane guys you have sitting in the back and close out the game.

[notin]

you can blame bloom for rodriguez. He signed him to be our top lefty reliever. Cora is supposed to use him.

 

4 ip.

[notin]

We don't hear about Tampa's missed because all of those guys are underpaid and they play in a market that not a lot of people up here pay attention to. Bloom could sign a bunch of nobodies here, but we'd all remember them because we still do:

 

Ryan Weber!

Chris Mazza!

Zack Godley!

 

 

Zack Littell!!

 

 

Or is he a Tampa guy?

[notin]

Bloom and his pitching acquisitions are becoming more exposed. Labels like hit-or-miss usually mean when they don't give up hits, it's because they miss the strike zone.

 

If Tampa ever has an ineffective pitcher, he's not a guy anyone hears too much about, and then he's gone... it's almost as if their system is a big gang of Bigfoots: a lot of sightings, but never any physical evidence of bodies or even bones when they die -- like their burial grounds are in another dimension.

 

When Bloom came to Beantown, he left that safe portal to anonymity forever. Some college students pulling all-nighters (partying, not studying) swear they can hear him howling at writers and demanding fans in the witching hour. Recently, one undergrad had a brick thrown at him by a guy wearing ERod's old uniform -- same name and number. The projectile missed by a mile... but some say it was just a warning.

 

Did you the following pitchers are currently in the Tampa bullpen - Jake Diekman, Trevor Kelley and Zack Littell? And earlier this year they had a cameo from Heath Hembree?

[mvp 78]

4 ip.

 

4 ip and the guy was injured for most of the season already.

[mvp 78]

Did you the following pitchers are currently in the Tampa bullpen - Jake Diekman, Trevor Kelley and Zack Littell? And earlier this year they had a cameo from Heath Hembree?

 

TBR:

 

5th in Starter fWAR

29th in Reliever fWAR

1st in Batting fWAR