Red Sox Spring Training 2023

[mvp 78]

I would go with :

 

Arroyo

Yoshida

Raffy

Turner

Casas

Duval

Dugy

Kike

C

 

@MacCerullo

Today's #RedSox lineup vs. MIN: Arroyo 2B, Devers 3B, Turner DH, Duvall CF, Tapia LF, K. Hernández SS, McGuire C, Refsnyder RF, Dalbec 1B, Houck P

 

Has Arroyo been batting leadoff this spring?

[moonslav59]

RBI? What about OPS+ etc.

 

Duvall:

117 best OPS+ season (2019)

114 2nd best (2020)

(107 from 2019-2021)

fWAR

11.1 in 3040 career PAs

bWAR

10.4 career (4.5 from 2019-2022 and 2.4 per 650)

 

 

Verdugo

123 best (short 2020 season)

113 2nd best (2019)

(112 from 2019-2021)

fWAR

7.2 career in 1957 PAs (about equal to Duvall if projected to 3,000 PAs)

bWAR

8.4 (8.3 from 2019-2022 and 2.9 per 650)

[Old Red]

@MacCerullo

Today's #RedSox lineup vs. MIN: Arroyo 2B, Devers 3B, Turner DH, Duvall CF, Tapia LF, K. Hernández SS, McGuire C, Refsnyder RF, Dalbec 1B, Houck P

 

Has Arroyo been batting leadoff this spring?

Lately yes.

[Hugh2]

Someone totally sold me on the idea of batting Casas lead off, it's pretty unconventional, and I see him long-term as more of a 2-4 hitter potentially, but I kind of like it for next year.

 

There's no real prototypical lead-off hitter on this team.

He's going to be a high OBP guy and will get on base which to me is much more important than speed at the top of the order even with the new rules.

He's going to get a ton more PA's, which will help him continue his development at the MLB level quicker, AND if he hits it's going to pad his stats a little bit and that might help him in ROY voting, which could net the Sox a pick.

 

Assuming they don't want to lead off with Yoshida, which they have said they are not going to. At least vs. RHP I think they should consider it.

[Hugh2]

I think they had thrown the season out the window when they moved Verdugo. They originally signed Yoshida thinking that Kiké/Rafaela could make up for the deficiencies in LF and RF. Turning his back on defense would be a weird move for sure. I don't want the BOS front office to punt RF defense while they are still playing 81 in Fenway.

 

I think he thought Verdugo could bounce back defensively and Kike in the OF would tip it plus. Story getting injured and Bogaerts leaving forced Kike to SS.

[Old Red]

I think they had thrown the season out the window when they moved Verdugo. They originally signed Yoshida thinking that Kiké/Rafaela could make up for the deficiencies in LF and RF. Turning his back on defense would be a weird move for sure. I don't want the BOS front office to punt RF defense while they are still playing 81 in Fenway.

Story having surgery definitely changed the Red Sox plans especially taking Kike out of CF. I don’t think Rafaela was in their plans for this year unless he really lights it up in the minors. Dugy in RF in Fenway I agree is not ideal.

[mvp 78]

Lately yes.

 

He hit leadoff 10 times in 2021 and 4 times in 2022. I'd rather it be a guy with a higher OBP, which is why I'd prefer Verdugo, but it makes a weird LLRL at the top of the order.

[mvp 78]

I think he thought Verdugo could bounce back defensively and Kike in the OF would tip it plus. Story getting injured and Bogaerts leaving forced Kike to SS.

 

Not signing a SS forced Kiké to SS.

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

Yoshida just arrived. “I am tired,” he said in English.

 

Casas should point him to where the best napping spots are.

[mvp 78]

@IanMBrowne

Verdugo will also play his first game back from the WBC on Friday.

 

Maybe Yoshida this weekend?

[moonslav59]

ALE ST Records

 

15-11 TOR

12- 9 BOS

14-11 TBR

13-12 BAL

10-15 NYY

 

Run Diff

+37 TBR

+24 BOS

+17 TOR

+3 BAL

-3 NYY

 

[Oscars]

Houck continues to struggle in spring training….

[Tedballgame]

Houck continues to struggle in spring training….

 

Most of the pitching staff is getting lit up. Its time to really start worrying about this staff.

[Larry Cook]

Most of the pitching staff is getting lit up. Its time to really start worrying about this staff.

 

Are they working on specific pitches or are they really that bad???

[Bellhorn04]

ALE ST Records

 

15-11 TOR

12- 9 BOS

14-11 TBR

13-12 BAL

10-15 NYY

 

Run Diff

+37 TBR

+24 BOS

+17 TOR

+3 BAL

-3 NYY

 

 

The Sox have gone from 9-0 to 12-10. And our run differential got sliced to +13 tonight.

 

The staff ERA has to be pretty poor over the last 10-12 games.

[Hugh2]

Not signing a SS forced Kiké to SS.

 

Yes, I feel “Bogaerts leaving” captures that.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Sox have gone from 9-0 to 12-10. And our run differential got sliced to +13 tonight.

 

The staff ERA has to be pretty poor over the last 10-12 games.

 

This slump is all a ST mirage. Don't you read what tens of posters keep tying? None of it matters. Fort Myers is existential. Camus says Florida is absurd.

 

The 9-0 start was the real Red Sox. I'm just not sure yet if the real prefix was for- ... or get- ... (not to be confused with forget about it).

[moonslav59]

This slump is all a ST mirage. Don't you read what tens of posters keep tying? None of it matters. Fort Myers is existential. Camus says Florida is absurd.

 

The 9-0 start was the real Red Sox. I'm just not sure yet if the real prefix was for- ... or get- ... (not to be confused with forget about it).

 

A mirage is a naturally-occurring optical phenomenon in which light rays bend via refraction to produce a displaced image of distant objects or the sky. The word comes to English via the French (se) mirer, from the Latin mirari, meaning "to look at, to wonder at".

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

A mirage is a naturally-occurring optical phenomenon in which light rays bend via refraction to produce a displaced image of distant objects or the sky. The word comes to English via the French (se) mirer, from the Latin mirari, meaning "to look at, to wonder at".

 

So those distant objects in the sky are from France -- I knew it! Scramble Noah Song!

[Bellhorn04]

This slump is all a ST mirage. Don't you read what tens of posters keep tying? None of it matters. Fort Myers is existential. Camus says Florida is absurd.

 

The 9-0 start was the real Red Sox. I'm just not sure yet if the real prefix was for- ... or get- ... (not to be confused with forget about it).

 

I know ST results don't mean much, but I think I'd rather be playing well toward the end of it than the beginning.

[Hugh2]

Spring training results are a conundrum to digest. They are said to be meaningless, yet players are evaluated to make a team. They're also all we have to go on at this point. Pitchers aren't used the same as they would be in a regular season. you LHRP might get lit up against right-handed hitters but you don't care because he got his inning in. Fringe guys are playing their butts off, and regulars who don't need to earn a job are just going through the motions and ramping their bodies up.

 

It's not that they're completely meaningless, but they have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt, a whole boulder of salt. They mean something, we say spring training results don't mean anything when they do mean something, and I fall into this hypocrisy as well. They're certainly nothing to get worked up over.

[mvp 78]

Yes, I feel “Bogaerts leaving” captures that.

 

No, they could have signed a cheap SS like Jose Iglesias and left Kiké in CF.

[mvp 78]

This slump is all a ST mirage. Don't you read what tens of posters keep tying? None of it matters. Fort Myers is existential. Camus says Florida is absurd.

 

The 9-0 start was the real Red Sox. I'm just not sure yet if the real prefix was for- ... or get- ... (not to be confused with forget about it).

 

I mean, we were told it didn't matter when they were unbeaten, so the current slide must no matter either.

[mvp 78]

So those distant objects in the sky are from France -- I knew it! Scramble Noah Song!

 

Sacré bleu!

[Hugh2]

I mean, we were told it didn't matter when they were unbeaten, so the current slide must no matter either.

 

In the spirit of brevity, I figured saying not retaining Bogaerts captured that. Bogaerts was a shortstop. So, they didn't sign a shortstop.

[mvp 78]

@SPChrisHatfield

Dates to keep in mind:

3/25 - Alfaro's (and Goodrum's but whatever there) upward mobility clause date

 

3/27 - Tapia's opt out

 

No news on that day itself doesn't necessarily mean anything - sometimes it's 48 hours to add the player or something.

[mvp 78]

In the spirit of brevity, I figured saying not retaining Bogaerts captured that. Bogaerts was a shortstop. So, they didn't sign a shortstop.

 

I mean, they traded for Mondesi, but the guy can't get through a quarter of a season anymore.

[Old Red]

No, they could have signed a cheap SS like Jose Iglesias and left Kiké in CF.

 

Bloom for some reason must have thought it was better or easier to sign an OF, which in this case Duvall than to get another SS once Story went down. I don’t really like Duvall in CF, but that’s the way Bloom has done it. Either way I don’t think if Kike plays SS, or in CF is going to make, or break the Red Sox season. Kike is just a stopgap no matter where he plays, and no one knows if he can play SS full time, which he has never done before, but like I said like it, or not this decision is on Bloom.

[sk7326]

Spring training results are a conundrum to digest. They are said to be meaningless, yet players are evaluated to make a team. They're also all we have to go on at this point. Pitchers aren't used the same as they would be in a regular season. you LHRP might get lit up against right-handed hitters but you don't care because he got his inning in. Fringe guys are playing their butts off, and regulars who don't need to earn a job are just going through the motions and ramping their bodies up.

 

It's not that they're completely meaningless, but they have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt, a whole boulder of salt. They mean something, we say spring training results don't mean anything when they do mean something, and I fall into this hypocrisy as well. They're certainly nothing to get worked up over.

 

Spring training doesn't matter - in that there are not necessarily a lot of roster spots that will be determined by performance in pretend games.

 

The tough thing about individual results is that you have to figure out what is noise and what is meaningful improvement.

[mvp 78]

@tylermilliken_

Today’s lineup for Red Sox @ Pirates:

 

1. Duran CF

2. Casas 1B

3. Dalbec 3B

4. Palka RF

5. Alfaro C

6. Goodrum SS

7. Allen LF,

8. R. Hernández DH

9. Yorke 2B

 

Josh Winckowski makes the start.

 

If the Sox lose with today's murderer's row, just stick a fork in the season!