Red Sox Spring Training 2023

[moonslav59]

I was in the stands in 75 when Dick Pole got drilled by that Tony Muser liner, and I can still hear the thud when the ball struck.

 

I remember that play. The ball bounced towards Rico Petrocelli, who ran right by the ball to help Pole.

 

Burleson went to get the ball in short LF or foul territory.

 

That was a scary moment.

[moonslav59]

And that’s why I would have had him pitching in the first game to see where he was at. Just an opinion though. Didn’t Cora baby the pitchers in ST of 2019? How did that work out? I get your point on Sale, but I just would go another way.

 

First game- ready or not!

 

Sounds like a great stradgedy.

[Old Red]

I remember that play. The ball bounced towards Rico Petrocelli, who ran right by the ball to help Pole.

 

Burleson went to get the ball in short LF or foul territory.

 

That was a scary moment.

 

I believe the bases were loaded, and Muser ended up with a 2R double. Twi nighter Palmer, and Tiant who pitched in different games.

[Old Red]

First game- ready or not!

 

Sounds like a great stradgedy.

 

Come on I would not be that bad. I would ask Sale if he was ready first.

[mvp 78]

The problem is, you need to get out more.

 

Add your idea to the suggestion box?

[mvp 78]

He did throw that broken bat at him.

 

The funny thing was, reading his lips, he said to the ump, "I thought it was the ball!"

 

(Like if the ball had come to him, he'd have throw that ball at Piazza as he ran to 1B. Maybe he thought they were playing kickball.)

 

Bat? Yes. Ball? No.

[moonslav59]

Add your idea to the suggestion box?

 

Maybe visit a talkshow radio station.

[moonslav59]

Add your idea to the suggestion box?

 

I've been to 10 different European nations in 4 trips, Brazil 3 times, all over Canada, lived in Mexico for 4 years, visited every state east of the Mississippi and maybe half of those west of the M, and take weeks long road trips every summer, but still I was told I need to get out more.

 

I have yet to visit a talk show radio station. It's the last thing on my bucket list.

 

I did come close to buying a radio station, once. Should that count?

Edited March 7, 2023 by moonslav59

[Nick]

Sale, Houck, Pivetta, Kluber, ready to go path.

Paxton's arm is okay.

Bello should pitch in couple of weeks. Whitlock maybe month away.

I am thinking " it could be worse".

[Hugh2]

Sale, Houck, Pivetta, Kluber, ready to go path.

Paxton's arm is okay.

Bello should pitch in couple of weeks. Whitlock maybe month away.

I am thinking " it could be worse".

 

It could be way worse, in reality, it's not bad....but given how last year went to start this year off in such away doesn't exactly strike confidence in anyone.

 

Still, I'll remain optimistic, I'm looking forward to games.

[Bellhorn04]

Sale, Houck, Pivetta, Kluber, ready to go path.

Paxton's arm is okay.

Bello should pitch in couple of weeks. Whitlock maybe month away.

I am thinking " it could be worse".

 

None of the injuries are serious.

 

But man, pitchers are scary individuals. I don't think it's hyperbole to say they're more prone to injury all the time. I can only surmise it's from throwing so hard and putting so much spin on the ball. Nothing to do with babying or anything like that. Pitching at a high level is just crazy hard on the human arm.

[notin]

Bat? Yes. Ball? No.

 

Actually, he did both.

 

Zip ahead to 2:35

 

Edited March 7, 2023 by notin

[notin]

None of the injuries are serious.

 

But man, pitchers are scary individuals. I don't think it's hyperbole to say they're more prone to injury all the time. I can only surmise it's from throwing so hard and putting so much spin on the ball. Nothing to do with babying or anything like that. Pitching at a high level is just crazy hard on the human arm.

 

 

I think that’s why they’re being avoided in the farm-building exercise…

[Bellhorn04]

I think that’s why they’re being avoided in the farm-building exercise…

 

Plausible theory.

[Old Red]

None of the injuries are serious.

 

But man, pitchers are scary individuals. I don't think it's hyperbole to say they're more prone to injury all the time. I can only surmise it's from throwing so hard and putting so much spin on the ball. Nothing to do with babying or anything like that. Pitching at a high level is just crazy hard on the human arm.

 

Good summary, and pitching has changed through the years from 4 man rotations to 5, and there are a lot more throwing 90+ today than even when Pedro was pitching, and 120 pitchers were nothing back then either, which puts lots of strain on the arm, and yes pitchers get hurt babied, or not.

[notin]

Plausible theory.

 

Keith Law did call them out for it, but it did sound kind of silly. It’s like saying “You have lots of money, but not enough 20s.”

[mvp 78]

Actually, he did both.

 

Zip ahead to 2:35

 

 

Looks like it hit the end of the bat to me? Piazza needs to get off the ground and get to 1b.

[mvp 78]

I think that’s why they’re being avoided in the farm-building exercise…

 

It has been suggested as much.

[notin]

Looks like it hit the end of the bat to me? Piazza needs to get off the ground and get to 1b.

 

The accusation was that Clemens threw at Piazza. Just because he didn’t hit him the face doesn’t mean he didn’t throw at him…

[moonslav59]

Actually, he did both.

 

Zip ahead to 2:35

 

 

You mean MVP made a non-perfect post?

[moonslav59]

Looks like it hit the end of the bat to me? Piazza needs to get off the ground and get to 1b.

 

So, you're saying he aimed for the nub of the bat?

[mvp 78]

So, you're saying he aimed for the nub of the bat?

 

Do you think Matt Manning aimed at Justin Turner's head yesterday?

[moonslav59]

Do you think Matt Manning aimed at Justin Turner's head yesterday?

 

No, but why distract from the issue raised.

 

Manning is not the scum Clemens was/is.

[moonslav59]

ST'ing Start

 

7-0 BOS (+35 run diff)

10-2 KC (+33)

6-2 LAD (+9)

6-3 TOR (+15)

6-3 STL (+14)

7-4 NYY (+14)

7-4 CHC (+1)

5-3 HOU (+11)

 

(4-5 TBR +21)

 

[notin]

Do you think Matt Manning aimed at Justin Turner's head yesterday?

 

No. I don’t think the situations were similar. Piazza had homered off Clemens earlier - I think in that game - and it looked like clear retaliation. Manning just let one get away. But that’s not the point…

Edited March 7, 2023 by notin

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Good summary, and pitching has changed through the years from 4 man rotations to 5, and there are a lot more throwing 90+ today than even when Pedro was pitching, and 120 pitchers were nothing back then either, which puts lots of strain on the arm, and yes pitchers get hurt babied, or not.

 

There were also lots of pitchers who threw a ton of innings every single year and didn't go on the IL.

 

In 1969, 59 pitchers threw over 200 innings, 12 over 290 IP. By my count, 11 were Hall of Famers, and a lot of others had long careers.

 

Maybe they weren't throwing 90 mph, but you better believe they were all throwing as hard as they could. Why were men more durable then (I still let them play catch on my lawn)?

[cukes]

That didn’t happen

 

yes it did happen, I watched that game then he threw a broken bat at him running to first, Clemens is a creep, should never make the hall, when he was being interviewed for steroids a reporter asked him if this would hurt his chances for the hall of fame, his exact answer was, I don't give a rats ass about the hall of fame, that sound bite is out there and the pitch hit Piazza on the helmet, being a great pitcher doesn't make you a better person, he's a creep

[cukes]

Looks like it hit the end of the bat to me? Piazza needs to get off the ground and get to 1b.

 

Piazza got hit in the head and was on the ground, he homered off Clemens earlier and it was definite retaliation, the incidents are on You Tube if you want to watch but don't say it didn't happen. Clemens is a creep

[Bellhorn04]

There were also lots of pitchers who threw a ton of innings every single year and didn't go on the IL.

 

In 1969, 59 pitchers threw over 200 innings, 12 over 290 IP. By my count, 11 were Hall of Famers, and a lot of others had long careers.

 

Maybe they weren't throwing 90 mph, but you better believe they were all throwing as hard as they could. Why were men more durable then (I still let them play catch on my lawn)?

 

Velocity is one thing that's increased, spin rate is another. Didn't someone once blame the slider for the increase in injuries?

 

As far as innings are concerned, Billy Martin's 1980 Oakland A's seem to have been kind of a Ground Zero for what we call "babying". Martin had a bunch of young starters and he had them throw a ton of innings, and those starters all had rather abbreviated careers.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Bellhorn04

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Velocity is one thing that's increased, spin rate is another. Didn't someone once blame the slider for the increase in injuries?

 

As far as innings are concerned, Billy Martin's 1980 Oakland A's seem to have been kind of a Ground Zero for what we call "babying". Martin had a bunch of young starters and he had them throw a ton of innings, and those starters all had rather abbreviated careers.

 

Martin and Cora were opposites.

 

AC always talks about "taking care of" his starters. But in the playoffs, he'll use anyone at any time -- in 2018, the entire five-man rotation both started and relieved in the postseason. They also pitched to the brink of November -- in the highest of high leverage situations with a world title on the line. Posters here blasted Cora for not "working" these same pitchers at the beginning of 2019, but none of the fans so sure the bad beginning was on the manager never seem to acknowledge the possibility that his starters weren't totally recovered yet from winning rings.

 

Martin took care of nobody (including himself). Yes, he burnt out those young Oakland arms, but it wasn't the first time. Remember, he brought his Cy Young "closer" -- Al Lyle -- into the '77 ALCS finale in the fourth inning and had him finish the ballgame. Sparky was never the same.