Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[notin]

SD got their guy, NY signed Judge, Philly and DD got their guy. and it's looking like LAD is going to reset the cap this year.

 

Our biggest competition is the Twins. MAYBE Chicago. If we want in on the bidding for Correa. I'd imagine Minn already has a 10.300 on the table for him

 

Are the Dodgers really going to step back one year after going all in and falling short?

[Hugh2]

Are the Dodgers really going to step back one year after going all in and falling short?

 

Maybe, they're still going to spend 60 million and blow past it next year if they do.

[Bellhorn04]

Are the Dodgers really going to step back one year after going all in and falling short?

 

Looks like they're doing the Year 3 Reset Boogaloo.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Honestly, they aren't signing any of the guys you mentioned.

 

I know, how pre-2020 of me.

 

My unease from the very beginning of Bloom -- and the total about-face of the now faceless ownership -- has manifested into Mookie and Xander in California.

 

Next is Raffy -- because extending him at market value will be like admitting they f***ing blew it with their other fan favorites. And big egos don't ever admit they're wrong.

 

I never thought, like a lot of others on here, that Henry and Co. would eventually start spending big again on star players, just because they did in the past. And if Raffy does get traded, there are no backs left to turn while turning back on fandom. Don't be surprised if the Red Sox are up for sale within a year.

[Bellhorn04]

I know, how pre-2020 of me.

 

My unease from the very beginning of Bloom -- and the total about-face of the now faceless ownership -- has manifested into Mookie and Xander in California.

 

Next is Raffy -- because extending him at market value will be like admitting they f***ing blew it with their other fan favorites. And big egos don't ever admit they're wrong.

 

I never thought, like a lot of others on here, that Henry and Co. would eventually start spending big again on star players, just because they did in the past. And if Raffy does get traded, there are no backs left to turn while turning back on fandom. Don't be surprised if the Red Sox are up for sale within a year.

 

I hope they are up for sale. The sooner the better.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I think we've seen that Verdugo isn't going to reach the upside we projected. Yoshida probably is just replacing Verdugo in LF. I'd still keep Kiké in CF, get someone to platoon with Refsnyder in RF and sign a cheaper short term SS. If Mayer is the REAL DEAL, just wait for him to show up in 2024.

 

Dugo, imho, did a good job in Fenway's RF last season. His career numbers with the SOX are .288BA and .768OPS. I believe these good numbers will improve with the shift no longer in play.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I hope they are up for sale. The sooner the better.

 

I really can't see a viable solution to the Devers dilemma. They can't possibly pay him $400 million, and they can't possibly trade him or literally all of New England will abandon ship.

 

And no one wants to watch the slow, miserable departure of Raffy's last season in Boston... no one in the dugout, in the clubhouse, in the press box, in the stands, or in the recliners in their living rooms.

[Bellhorn04]

In retrospect, the "offer" they made to Bogaerts before the season is one of the saddest, stupidest things in the history of the franchise. Bogaerts ended up getting TRIPLE the "offer".

 

I tried to laugh it off at the time. But the joke's on us.

 

Thanks Johnny Lowball!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

On the bright side is that the 160 mil Bogey turned down can now be used for other needs. And the SOX still have a few of those.

[Bellhorn04]

On the bright side is that the 160 mil Bogey turned down can now be used for other needs. And the SOX still have a few of those.

 

There's no bright side to this, SPLINTER. Henry and the Sox FO no longer have any idea what the f*** they're doing. Just watch and see for more proof of this, starting with Devers.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

In retrospect, the "offer" they made to Bogaerts before the season is one of the saddest, stupidest things in the history of the franchise. Bogaerts ended up getting TRIPLE the "offer".

 

I tried to laugh it off at the time. But the joke's on us.

 

Thanks Johnny Lowball!

 

The Red Sox offered one year to a client of Scott Boras, the most powerful super agent in the industry. One year! Then they said signing that player was their Number One Priority.

 

Such hypocritical failure is so disgusting that someone should be fired for either mere incompetence or just for the PR hit of utterly lying to the public.

 

No company in any business would stand for this crap (none I'm allowed to mention on this board, anyway).

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox offered one year to a client of Scott Boras, the most powerful super agent in the industry. One year! Then they said signing that player was their Number One Priority.

 

Such hypocritical failure is so disgusting that someone should be fired for either mere incompetence or just for the PR hit of utterly lying to the public.

 

No company in any business would stand for this crap (none I'm allowed to mention on this board, anyway).

 

We can't fire Henry and Werner, is the problem.

[moonslav59]

Again, are posters not allowed to agree with other posters???

 

That only applies to red.

 

 

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox offered one year to a client of Scott Boras, the most powerful super agent in the industry. One year! Then they said signing that player was their Number One Priority.

 

Such hypocritical failure is so disgusting that someone should be fired for either mere incompetence or just for the PR hit of utterly lying to the public.

 

No company in any business would stand for this crap (none I'm allowed to mention on this board, anyway).

 

It kind of amazes me they got BorA$$ to allow Bogey to sign that last contract that brought him one year past his controllable years at just $20M.

[moonslav59]

We can't fire Henry and Werner, is the problem.

 

I'm being pulled in that direction, but I'm not there, yet.

 

4 rings and $40M more to spend. Let's see how this all ends up.

 

If we sign Kluber, Andrus and Conforto and trade for Lopez, I'm giving them more time to let the long game play out.

[sk7326]

It kind of amazes me they got BorA$$ to allow Bogey to sign that last contract that brought him one year past his controllable years at just $20M.

 

I guess for Bogaerts, the locking in of those pre-arb raises was worth it.

[moonslav59]

I guess for Bogaerts, the locking in of those pre-arb raises was worth it.

 

Still not a typical BorA$$ move.

 

It was a good extension for the Sox, but we'll only remember the lowball.

 

I'm not defending this lowball or Lester's. They both sucked. We could have signed Bogey to $160M/6 then traded him, if we didn't like his projection.

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox offered one year to a client of Scott Boras, the most powerful super agent in the industry. One year! Then they said signing that player was their Number One Priority.

 

Such hypocritical failure is so disgusting that someone should be fired for either mere incompetence or just for the PR hit of utterly lying to the public.

 

No company in any business would stand for this crap (none I'm allowed to mention on this board, anyway).

 

Well, it won't be Sam Kennedy since he's a partner in FSG.

[Hugh2]

Still not a typical BorA$$ move.

 

It was a good extension for the Sox, but we'll only remember the lowball.

 

I'm not defending this lowball or Lester's. They both sucked. We could have signed Bogey to $160M/6 then traded him, if we didn't like his projection.

 

It’s not not a boras move. He the money early in his career for security. The opt out allowed to get him $280 million. That’s why the opt out was there, him and Boras ain’t dumb. Which is why I feel it was always a forgone conclusion he was going to FA.

 

There no way he was resigning in Boston unless the paid the “buy now price”

 

It’s a good strategy if you’re reading the market right. If the reports that Bogey would have taken $160/$170 from Boston a year ago are correct then Boston is wrong. They misread the market and totally effed this up.

[vjcsmoke]

Still not a typical BorA$$ move.

 

It was a good extension for the Sox, but we'll only remember the lowball.

 

I'm not defending this lowball or Lester's. They both sucked. We could have signed Bogey to $160M/6 then traded him, if we didn't like his projection.

 

We could have signed him for only 160/6? That's a no-brainer! *SMH* That would have been a LOT better deal than signing Story to 160/6 whose bat turns into a NOODLE once he leaves the friendly park factor of Coors fields.

[vjcsmoke]

I’m sure the Red Sox wasn’t even close, and shouldn’t have been with where SD ended up paying, but Bogey was lost when the Red Sox made that insulting offer last offseason, and let him get to FA in the first place. With the money (ding thrown around out there Raffy will be gone too. The Yankees ponied up, and JH will not.

 

It feels like Jon Lester all over again. Drive away a top quality homegrown player with an insulting offer. Then he leaves later for much more money when if you had just offered a fair deal earlier, you could have locked him in long term and enjoyed a lot of success. Is this just the Red Sox MO now? Is this driven by ownership or the GMs? Really sketchy results regardless.

[moonslav59]

We could have signed him for only 160/6? That's a no-brainer! *SMH* That would have been a LOT better deal than signing Story to 160/6 whose bat turns into a NOODLE once he leaves the friendly park factor of Coors fields.

 

Story got $140M/4. I was fine with $160M/6 for Bogey and even said I'd go to $170M/6 or even $180/7.

 

I'm not agreeing with Sox management for not offering that. I'm saying I don't think they felt he was worth even that, back before salaries took off.

[moonslav59]

It feels like Jon Lester all over again. Drive away a top quality homegrown player with an insulting offer. Then he leaves later for much more money when if you had just offered a fair deal earlier, you could have locked him in long term and enjoyed a lot of success. Is this just the Red Sox MO now? Is this driven by ownership or the GMs? Really sketchy results regardless.

 

We did win a ring after Lester.

 

If that's the whole M.O., sign me up.

[vjcsmoke]

We did win a ring after Lester.

 

If that's the whole M.O., sign me up.

 

It wasn't that simple. We had to bring in Dombrowski to change a lot of things shortly after that. And not a lot of people liked what he gave up in 'prospects' and cap ramifications to get the Red Sox a ring. *shrugs* At least he got results.

 

I think you're being intentionally facetious if you think just not paying GOOD players is going to bring championships back to Boston.

[moonslav59]

It wasn't that simple. We had to bring in Dombrowski to change a lot of things shortly after that. And not a lot of people liked what he gave up in 'prospects' and cap ramifications to get the Red Sox a ring. *shrugs* At least he got results.

 

I think you're being intentionally facetious if you think just not paying GOOD players is going to bring championships back to Boston.

 

No. I meant what I said.

 

I disliked what happened to Lester, but their plan worked, despite them being wrong about signing any SP'er over 30 to a long term deal. They tweaked that idea and got Price. Lester did better after 30, but the plan worked.

 

DD's plan worked in large part because Bloo, err, I mean Ben, set the table for him by building up prospect trade value.

[jad]

It wasn't that simple. We had to bring in Dombrowski to change a lot of things shortly after that. And not a lot of people liked what he gave up in 'prospects' and cap ramifications to get the Red Sox a ring. *shrugs* At least he got results.

 

I think you're being intentionally facetious if you think just not paying GOOD players is going to bring championships back to Boston.

 

That's how wannabe GMs and fantasy-geeks think.

[moonslav59]

It wasn't that simple. We had to bring in Dombrowski to change a lot of things shortly after that. And not a lot of people liked what he gave up in 'prospects' and cap ramifications to get the Red Sox a ring. *shrugs* At least he got results.

 

I think you're being intentionally facetious if you think just not paying GOOD players is going to bring championships back to Boston.

 

We paid Price and JD and won in 2018, after letting Lester go.

 

We paid Story and Yashido pretty good money. We paid Jansen more than we've ever paid a closer. That was what half the "wanna be GMs" were screaming about all 2022.

 

Let's see who else we sign and how well we do, before we write off the next 3 years.

[notin]

It wasn't that simple. We had to bring in Dombrowski to change a lot of things shortly after that. And not a lot of people liked what he gave up in 'prospects' and cap ramifications to get the Red Sox a ring. *shrugs* At least he got results.

 

I think you're being intentionally facetious if you think just not paying GOOD players is going to bring championships back to Boston.

 

 

It also be helped that we didn’t give up on the season on December 9th…

[Old Red]

Bogey leaving like he did was the result of Ownership/Front Office malpractice. I think the B Globe nailed it on that one. What do you think the rest of ML Baseball think? Laughing all the way no doubt. Like I keep saying it’s not, because of the final result, but what led up to the final result starting with last offseason. Dummies, liars, or both? Edited December 10, 2022 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

Bogey leaving like he did was the result of Ownership/Front Office malpractice. I think the B Globe nailed it on that one. What do you think the rest of ML Baseball think? Laughing all the way no doubt. Like I keep saying it’s not, because of the final result, but what led up to the final result starting with last offseason. Dummies, liars, or both?

 

I was so pissed yesterday that I actually sent an e-mail to Shaughnessy calling Henry Johnny Lowball. "Good one" was his response.