Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[notin]

I don't know. Theo might have had some nerd in him , but I think he was more well rounded than the typical geek. He definitely seemed to relate to the players much better than Bloom does.

 

When Epstein was here, the criticisms were the same as with Bloom. Ask Bronson Arroyo…

[Old Red]

No!! That was the players!!

 

The Sox entire turnaround to relevance started with hiring Epstein and Bill James. Everyone gets that except Old Red…

 

The Red Sox had a lot of good teams through the years with a lot of great players, but didn’t win the big one, but I don’t think you could call it a big turnaround when they did win. Lots of great teams when they didn’t win like the A’s run, and the Big Red Machine, but you can look at it how you want, and I’ll do the same. Speaking for everyone now are we?

[notin]

The Red Sox had a lot of good teams through the years with a lot of great players, but didn’t win the big one, but I don’t think you could call it a big turnaround when they did win. Lots of great teams when they didn’t win like the A’s run, and the Big Red Machine, but you can look at it how you want, and I’ll do the same. Speaking for everyone now are we?

 

 

Really? You don’t think 2003 to 2018 was the most successful run in this team’s history? 11 postseason appearances and 4 WS titles?

 

Or at least their best run since 1912 to 1918?

[Old Red]

Really? You don’t think 2003 to 2018 was the most successful run in this team’s history? 11 postseason appearances and 4 WS titles?

 

Or at least their best run since 1912 to 1918?

 

For winning WS yes, but where we differ is you think it has more to do with the nerds, and analytics, and I just think the players had more to do with it, and it was just time, and things worked out like coming back being down 3-0 to the Yankees. I think that was more players than anything else.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't know. Theo might have had some nerd in him , but I think he was more well rounded than the typical geek. He definitely seemed to relate to the players much better than Bloom does.

 

So there are good nerds and bad nerds.

[moonslav59]

I keep praising DD, because his four years in Boston were winning years, and one of those years was a WS ring, and the best record in Boston of all of them for the Red Sox. DD had his botched up moments on his resume especially the Chris Frail signing, and I believe he signed the Prince in Detroit, which didn’t work out to well. Some nerds are better than others, but Bloom is not one of them, so to say Houston won with one this year is irrelevant to what Bloom has botched in Boston.

 

You seem to totally ignore context. Did you see the roster and farm Click was handed? You do know, they let him go, too.

 

You keep acting like DD id some miracle worker. Give him the 2019 Red Sox and the 2020, 2021 and 2022 budgets and see what he would have done.

 

Do you really think think our record comes close to the 2016-2018 stretch? If you do, can I have some of what you're smoking?

[moonslav59]

You have to give the nerds credit. They have found a way to make money and have a lot of influence in the world of sports. Many of the baseball websites that fans frequent are really just a nerd or nerds sitting at home with a laptop or iPad.

 

Fine, just stop pretending others are the name callers and personal attackers and not you.

[moonslav59]

Theo Epstein was a nerd. That worked out OK.

 

How quickly these guys rewrite history and have selected memories.

 

We may still be looking for our first ring in over 100 years had we not trusted nerds.

[moonslav59]

So there are good nerds and bad nerds.

 

...and somehow, he knew Bloom was a bad nerd from day one.

[notin]

For winning WS yes, but where we differ is you think it has more to do with the nerds, and analytics, and I just think the players had more to do with it, and it was just time, and things worked out like coming back being down 3-0 to the Yankees. I think that was more players than anything else.

 

Who do you think acquire the players?

 

While he did get the recommendation from Pedro (which of the type of thing that happens all the time), Epstein saw something right with the nerd factors with Ortiz, despite two organizations already giving up on him.

 

You see all this happen all the time. You just never want to give credit.

 

Unless it’s Dombrowski. With Epstein, apparently it was the players. But Dombrowski did it all himself, presumably after saving the whales and winning Mr. Universe…

[harmony]

Chris Cotillo at MassLive.com spoke with Chaim Bloom about the departure of Xander Bogaerts:

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/12/red-soxs-chaim-bloom-on-losing-xander-bogaerts-it-got-to-a-point-to-we-werent-going-to.html

[notin]

Chris Cotillo at MassLive.com spoke with Chaim Bloom about the departure of Xander Bogaerts:

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/12/red-soxs-chaim-bloom-on-losing-xander-bogaerts-it-got-to-a-point-to-we-werent-going-to.html

 

But that’s not the story being pushed on these boards!!

 

I suppose next you’re going to tell me Epstein didn’t trash those hotel rooms when Contreras signed with the Yankees…

[Bellhorn04]

But that’s not the story being pushed on these boards!!

 

I suppose next you’re going to tell me Epstein didn’t trash those hotel rooms when Contreras signed with the Yankees…

 

The only that that's revealed, or confirmed, here about the Bogaerts signing is that the report that the Red Sox were making progress on a deal with him was total fiction. Some speculate it was used to drive up the price, but who the heck knows.

 

We've already seen Heyman's faux pas about Judge being signed by the Giants, which was a bigger deal.

Edited December 11, 2022 by Bellhorn04

[notin]

The only that that's revealed, or confirmed, here about the Bogaerts signing is that the report that the Red Sox were making progress on a deal with him was total fiction. Some speculate it was used to drive up the price, but who the heck knows.

 

We've already seen Heyman's faux pas about Judge being signed by the Giants, which was a bigger deal.

 

Well, the story about Bloom learning about it from a Heyman tweet is discredited. And frankly, what’s the source on the whole 4 years $90mill at this point?

[Bellhorn04]

Well, the story about Bloom learning about it from a Heyman tweet is discredited. And frankly, what’s the source on the whole 4 years $90mill at this point?

 

The original source was Heyman, who does have a direct pipeline to Boras. It's been reported extensively, including in the piece below from MLBTR, and it's never been refuted.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/padres-xander-bogaerts-agree-to-11-year-deal.html

 

So I think you're grasping at straws. Bogey got Johnny Lowballed.

[Old Red]

The original source was Heyman, who does have a direct pipeline to Boras. It's been reported extensively, including in the piece below from MLBTR, and it's never been refuted.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/padres-xander-bogaerts-agree-to-11-year-deal.html

 

So I think you're grasping at straws. Bogey got Johnny Lowballed.

 

Imagine what Bogey would have been offered if they hadn’t wanted him back so bad? I believe 100% in that reported offer. Bogey, laughed, cried, and then he got pissed.

[Bellhorn04]

I think moon is probably correct that the Sox never had any desire to retain Bogey and the later offer was just for show. It followed the pattern of what happened with Lester exactly, except that they fell even shorter with their bids.

[Old Red]

I think moon is probably correct that the Sox never had any desire to retain Bogey and the later offer was just for show. It followed the pattern of what happened with Lester exactly, except that they fell even shorter with their bids.

 

I said that the day the offer was made, and all Kennedy, and Bloom were doing was spinning, and grinning this offseason, and either thought the fans were blind, and dumb for not seeing through the charade, or Kennedy, and Bloom was that dumb themselves. The hard part was to determine if that dumb dumbfounded look on Bloom’s face was actually acting, or not.

Edited December 11, 2022 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

I said that the day the offer was made, and all Kennedy, and Bloom were doing was spinning, and grinning this offseason, and either thought the fans were blind, and dumb for not seeing through the charade, or Kennedy, and Bloom was that dumb themselves. The hard part was to determine if that dumb dumbfounded look on Bloom’s face was actually acting, or not.

 

Yes, I wonder about that too. If Bloom knew the Sox were out of the bidding, why would he be shocked.

 

I will say this, having read the interview with Bloom, he does have the gift of gab that's required of baseball executives and politicians, the ability to say a lot without saying anything.

[Old Red]

Yes, I wonder about that too. If Bloom knew the Sox were out of the bidding, why would he be shocked.

 

I will say this, having read the interview with Bloom, he does have the gift of gab that's required of baseball executives and politicians, the ability to say a lot without saying anything.

 

And now we wait for chapter 3, and the Devers saga on what kind of storyline will be drummed up there.

[Bellhorn04]

And now we wait for chapter 3, and the Devers saga on what kind of storyline will be drummed up there.

 

My pet theory now is that the Sox hope Devers just says eff this and breaks off negotiations, so when he leaves they have a shot at making it look like they tried, the way they tried with Betts.

[Old Red]

My pet theory now is that the Sox hope Devers just says eff this and breaks off negotiations, so when he leaves they have a shot at making it look like they tried, the way they tried with Betts.

 

I agree, but do they trade Raffy like they did with Mookie?

[Bellhorn04]

I agree, but do they trade Raffy like they did with Mookie?

 

That's the only part that's yet to unfold. It's just a question of which sucky outcome they choose to lay on us this time...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, I wonder about that too. If Bloom knew the Sox were out of the bidding, why would he be shocked.

 

I will say this, having read the interview with Bloom, he does have the gift of gab that's required of baseball executives and politicians, the ability to say a lot without saying anything.

 

Well, Bloom was a loser by a landslide in two of the past three campaigns... but at least he's not a standings denier.

[Bellhorn04]

Well, Bloom was a loser by a landslide in two of the past three campaigns... but at least he's not a standings denier.

 

Yes, he's honest about that at least.

[cp176]

Yes, I wonder about that too. If Bloom knew the Sox were out of the bidding, why would he be shocked.

 

I will say this, having read the interview with Bloom, he does have the gift of gab that's required of baseball executives and politicians, the ability to say a lot without saying anything.

 

Personally, I would be better off if Bloom would just shut his mouth and do whatever it is he thinks it is that he needs to do. It is fairly clear in my mind that his way of doing this might work for some but certainly doesn't for me and it will make no difference moving forward if we win or not. Not retaining A+ home grown talent if it is conceivable, represents wrong to this fan.

[Bellhorn04]

Personally, I would be better off if Bloom would just shut his mouth and do whatever it is he thinks it is that he needs to do. It is fairly clear in my mind that his way of doing this might work for some but certainly doesn't for me and it will make no difference moving forward if we win or not. Not retaining A+ home grown talent if it is conceivable, represents wrong to this fan.

 

Losing Bogaerts the way we did has really soured me on the way our front office does business. The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me.

[notin]

The original source was Heyman, who does have a direct pipeline to Boras. It's been reported extensively, including in the piece below from MLBTR, and it's never been refuted.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/padres-xander-bogaerts-agree-to-11-year-deal.html

 

So I think you're grasping at straws. Bogey got Johnny Lowballed.

 

The whole story about learning about the Padres deal via tweet while boarding a plane was also on MLBTR.

 

Simple question - does the CBA permit teams to make public offers they make to players?

[Bellhorn04]

The whole story about learning about the Padres deal via tweet while boarding a plane was also on MLBTR.

 

How do you think Bloom learned about it, then? I assume these guys are glued to their iPhones. Kind of makes sense.

[notin]

How do you think Bloom learned about it, then? I assume these guys are glued to their iPhones. Kind of makes sense.

 

That surprise story was more than just the transaction. The originally Story is that he was blindsided by it. Subsequent stories are he knew the negotiation was over and Bogaerts was talking to other teams. All of those Red Sox/Bogaerts in “intense negotiations” stories appear to have come from Camp Boras as a way to drive to the price. And it worked…