Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[moonslav59]

I don’t think Story is a good replacement for Bogey’s bat. We have the knew guy just signed (an unknown performer in MLB), Devers and Story as our top hitters. The rest of the offense is just not competitive. They need at least 2 more quality bats.

 

We probably will settle for one.

[notin]

I don’t think Story is a good replacement for Bogey’s bat. We have the knew guy just signed (an unknown performer in MLB), Devers and Story as our top hitters. The rest of the offense is just not competitive. They need at least 2 more quality bats.

 

Now if the Sox sign Nimmo (MLBTR projected 5 yrs / $110mill, so he probably signs for 7 yrs / $160mill), the could move Kike to SS and replace Bogaerts with basically the same hitter…

[moonslav59]

Now if the Sox sign Nimmo (MLBTR projected 5 yrs / $110mill, so he probably signs for 7 yrs / $160mill), the could move Kike to SS and replace Bogaerts with basically the same hitter…

 

Has anyone heard our name linked to Nimmo?

 

BTW, I never heard us linked to Jansen or Yoshida, so...

 

Nimmo and Senga for under $40M?

 

More likely

 

Nimmo and Kluber

 

Nimmo, Andrus and Wacha

 

Andrus, Conforto/Gallo and Nate (maybe Senga or Kluber)

[mvp 78]

Now if the Sox sign Nimmo (MLBTR projected 5 yrs / $110mill, so he probably signs for 7 yrs / $160mill), the could move Kike to SS and replace Bogaerts with basically the same hitter…

 

8/180? Pass on Nimmo.

[illinoisredsox]

These decisions are made by ownership - when it gets to this dollar value, it's an ownership call.

 

Now, on paper I would not have necessarily given Bogaerts an 11 year deal - but I do want to see what the outs look like and so on ...

 

Reports are no opt outs and a no-trade clause.

 

There is no way I give any player an 11 year deal at age 30.

[redsoxrules]

8/180? Pass on Nimmo.

 

Agreed. This would be a panic move

[mvp 78]

Reports are no opt outs and a no-trade clause.

 

There is no way I give any player an 11 year deal at age 30.

 

Hell to the naw naw naw...

 

No chance, no chance in Hell...

[redsoxrules]

What you all don't realize is that who says if he stayed with Sox it would have been the same deal? Again, Turner and Judge took less money. Bogey has expressed to stay here. They could have gotten him for cheaper in my opinion.

[Bellhorn04]

What you all don't realize is that who says if he stayed with Sox it would have been the same deal? Again, Turner and Judge took less money. Bogey has expressed to stay here. They could have gotten him for cheaper in my opinion.

 

Sure, but even $220-240 mill is still too much.

[mvp 78]

What you all don't realize is that who says if he stayed with Sox it would have been the same deal? Again, Turner and Judge took less money. Bogey has expressed to stay here. They could have gotten him for cheaper in my opinion.

 

They took less money, but not that much less. Also, not less years. Sox should not be paying Xander for 10 or 11 years full stop. We realize it. Xander is being massively overpaid. For me the stretch for the Sox would have been 8 years. 11 years is ridiculous. Sox weren't going to come anywhere near that.

[dgalehouse]

All I can say is that losing Xander takes away a lot of the good feelings from yesterday.

[BOSOX11]

We got the best years of XB, just like the Cards did with Puljos. Throwing a huge wad of money at a player in his declining years makes no business sense.

[Bellhorn04]

All I can say is that losing Xander takes away a lot of the good feelings from yesterday.

 

It was one crazy day.

[mvp 78]

I'm glad that it's an 11 year deal rather than an 8 year deal that was close enough to be within reach.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We got the best years of XB, just like the Cards did with Puljos. Throwing a huge wad of money at a player in his declining years makes no business sense.

 

Maybe there has been too much business sense by the business people who run the business, and can't seem to appreciate the emotional attachments fans have to players -- who are in our living rooms every night for six months (which is more than a lot of other family members).

 

Fans do realize any industry is a business, even one predicated on winning -- but if you're in the business, please just stop giving us the business about how much you care about winning.

[jad]

Opt outs only benefit the players. I never understand why fans like those clauses. They create the possibility for a hostage situation for the team without any upside for the team.

 

Yes. But what's wrong with things that benefit players? The same argument could be made against salaries in general, which benefit players but have no upside for the team.

[iortiz]

Glad they passed. His decline years are coming. Xander will worth 3 or 4 more years at best at SS, and his glove was never elite, mediocre at best in my book. He gave us his prime and now he's gone. All good. Find a worthy goddamn 2B/SS now.

 

On the other hand, The Padres are spending like drunken sailors man lol

[jad]

Maybe there has been too much business sense by the business people who run the business, and can't seem to appreciate the emotional attachments fans have to players -- who are in our living rooms every night for six months (which is more than a lot of other family members).

 

Fans do realize any industry is a business, even one predicated on winning -- but if you're in the business, please just stop giving us the business about how much you care about winning.

 

FANS??? Come on! That's so retro. You need to get with the program and worry about Fantasy-Sports fans. They're the ones who count. Not the ones who actually watch sports because they like to watch athletes perform.

[mvp 78]

FANS??? Come on! That's so retro. You need to get with the program and worry about Fantasy-Sports fans. They're the ones who count. Not the ones who actually watch sports because they like to watch athletes perform.

 

Even fantasy-sports are passé at this point, it's all about the gamblers! Gotta reach out to people that can no longer discern the difference between a slot machine and a slot receiver.

[sk7326]

Opt outs only benefit the players. I never understand why fans like those clauses. They create the possibility for a hostage situation for the team without any upside for the team.

 

It does. At the same time, while it helps sign players - for teams there is a side benefit where they can decide fresh whether they want to pay for the player's non-prime years. It complicates things for the team, but you do get a fresh look at things. With Bogaerts, it never should have gotten to the hostage taking stage anyway.

[notin]

8/180? Pass on Nimmo.

 

6/$140?

[moonslav59]

Sure, but even $220-240 mill is still too much.

 

The only legit argument, IMO, is that we should have locked him up before it would have taken $220M.

[moonslav59]

6/$140?

 

Yes on this. No on 180/8. I'd rather have Conforto and Andrus than Nimmo and having to play Arroyo at 2B and Story at SS, or Kike at SS and Dugo in RF.

[notin]

Yes on this. No on 180/8. I'd rather have Conforto and Andrus than Nimmo and having to play Arroyo at 2B and Story at SS, or Kike at SS and Dugo in RF.

 

Not getting the Conforto Love…

[moonslav59]

Not getting the Conforto Love…

 

He's not that far from Gallo. He probably has more offensive upside- Gallo more proven D.

 

You chose:

 

Nimmo (Kike at SS and Dugo in RF)

 

Gallo & Andrus

 

Conforto and Andrus

 

Swanson with Dugo in RF

 

It may, very well, come down to these choices, barring a trade.

[a700hitter]

Yes. But what's wrong with things that benefit players? The same argument could be made against salaries in general, which benefit players but have no upside for the team.

As a fan, I am more interested in retaining players, so I am not interested in player favorable opt out clauses.

[randywatson]

Maybe he fancied a change in scenery, and e even climate.

 

He's a 30 year old man that's already spent 10 years in a climate, completely different to where he's from.

 

It happens, but a decent replacement must be the priority now. Pity we didn't try for trea Turner....

[jad]

As a fan, I am more interested in retaining players, so I am not interested in player favorable opt out clauses.

 

Agreed . I just don't see how you sign them without those clauses (unless of course you agree to pay your workers fair-market value, which the RS won't do, unless it's a player no one has heard of or cares about).

[dgalehouse]

I think most fans identify much more with the players than they do with management. So , when management lets their best and most popular players get away, it is going to alienate a lot of people. The cure for that is winning. But winning becomes more difficult without the lost talent.

[harmony]

He's not that far from Gallo. He probably has more offensive upside- Gallo more proven D.

 

You chose:

 

Nimmo (Kike at SS and Dugo in RF)

 

Gallo & Andrus

 

Conforto and Andrus

 

Swanson with Dugo in RF

 

It may, very well, come down to these choices, barring a trade.

Michael Conforto and Brandon Nimmo, born the same month, have played their entire MLB careers with the Mets, including six seasons as teammates in the Queens. Conforto, who did not play this year, has played 757 MLB games and Nimmo 608 games. Their career lines:

 

BN 608 G, .269/.385/.441/.827, OPS+ 130, 17.2 bWAR

MC 757 G, .255/.356/.468/.824, OPS+ 124, 15.7 bWAR

 

Nimmo has about four times as many plate appearances as Conforto has at the top of the order, but here are their career lines as leadoff hitters:

 

BN 1675 PA, .273/.380/.450/.829, tOPS+* 100

MC 414 PA, .258/.379/.504/.884, tOPS+* 114

 

Nimmo is projected to land a nine-figure contract while Conforto may need to settle for a one-year pillow contract. Of course, Conforto may be broken after undergoing shoulder surgery. Conforto's agent, Scott Boras, might tell teams otherwise.

* tOPS+ -- OPS for split relative to Player's Total OPS. Above 100 is good; below 100 is bad.

Edited December 8, 2022 by harmony