Time For the Hypo Trade Talks to Begin ?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I'm not going to argue over Verdugo, he is too irrelevant of a player to argue over. Who knows, maybe he will have a big second half and increase his trade value beyond what it is now. Stranger things have happened--as a CO who doesn't play great defense, he needs to produce more with the bat or he is a liability. He is a negative WAR player offensively this year and that can't continue.

 

It would be great if Verdugo could play RF, but apparently his defense sucks too much for that, and Duran is in the same boat--they are both LFs. If the Red Sox keep Verdugo in LF next year, then I guess Duran is the 4th OF, since you don't want him starting in CF or RF next year.

 

Next year will be interesting. It could be the year that will make or break Bloom.

Edited July 17, 2022 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

I doubt he'll be traded. He's affordable and he's a decent player.

 

As you say, Bloom will have plenty of other things to keep him busy.

 

I doubt he's traded, as well, but let's face it: both Duran and he are better suited for LF than anywhere else.

[notin]

I'm not going to argue over Verdugo, he is too irrelevant of a player to argue over. Who knows, maybe he will have a big second half and increase his trade value beyond what it is now. Stranger things have happened--as a CO who doesn't play great defense, he needs to produce more with the bat or he is a liability. He is a negative WAR player offensively this year and that can't continue.

 

It would be great if Verdugo could play RF, but apparently his defense sucks too much for that, and Duran is in the same boat--they are both LFs. If the Red Sox keep Verdugo in LF next year, then I guess Duran is the 4th OF, since you don't want him starting in CF or RF next year.

 

Next year will be interesting. It could be the year that will make or break Bloom.

 

Not sure what you’re basing all this “his defense sucks” on.

 

He’s second in MLB in UZR/150 this year. He’s above average in LF for his career and just below average for his career in RF…

[moonslav59]

Not sure what you’re basing all this “his defense sucks” on.

 

He’s second in MLB in UZR/150 this year. He’s above average in LF for his career and just below average for his career in RF…

 

Because he's not good enough to play RF, he sucks in LF???

[notin]

Because he's not good enough to play RF, he sucks in LF???

 

Not sure why FSB thinks his defense is so bad.

 

His LF numbers are great, and even a -2.1 UZR/150 across 636 innings in RF isn’t anything I would call a weakness.

 

If the Sox go with Duran in LF and Verdugo in RF, it’s not a horrible arrangement.

 

Unless they fill out the OF with Franchy in CF. Then it’s a horrible arrangement…

Edited July 17, 2022 by notin

[moonslav59]

Not sure why FSB thinks his defense is so bad.

 

His LF numbers are great, and even a -2.1 UZR/150 across 636 innings in RF isn’t anything I would call a weakness.

 

If the Sox go with Duran in LF and Verdugo in RF, it’s not a horrible arrangement.

 

Unless they fill out the OF with Franchy in CF. Then it’s a horrible arrangement…

 

I was trying to answer for Boggsie.

 

That being said, Duran is a minus in LF on defense. I think Verdugo is a min us in RF, or Cora/Bloom would have played him there, this year.

 

I don't think there is room for Duran & Verdugo on next year's team. I think we trade one. We are not giving one away or non tendering either one.

 

Just my opinion.

[MADSTORK]

Sell

[illinoisredsox]

Sell

 

Okay.

 

You been traded to the Chunichi Dragons forum for a 85th round pick in 2288.

[mvp 78]

Yes.

 

Are you going to continue to forget that we’ve been using Worcester’s rotation?

 

The Sox shouldn’t give up on a 6 month season because of two bad weeks…

 

Are they losing because of the AAA rotation? That's not the feeling I'm getting.

[mvp 78]

Verdugo is not going to be non tendered, but he may be traded.

 

Next season’s team might be unrecognisable… not that this might be a bad thing.

 

They didn't non-tender JBJ in 2020, they won't non-tender Verdugo in 2023. The non-tender stuff is overblown. I'm not going to pay attention to it anymore.

[mvp 78]

Verdugo has been really weird this year. With most players sacrificing contact for power, Dugo is going the other way. 10% K rate is way better than his prior history. But he’s sacrificed power and his BABIP plummeted, essentially noting that while he’s making better contact, he not making harder contact. If I’m Bloom, I have him work with the hitting coaches in the off-season to add some loft to his swing and sacrifice some of that contact

 

His xSLG is 503, highest of his career. His xISO is a higher percentile than it's ever been before. I'm not sure increasing his OPPO by 1.5% is affecting that all that much.

 

If you look at his statcast breakdowns, he's handling FB really well, but struggling with breaking and offspeed pitchings. Looks like there is a huge discrepancy between SLG and xSLG for breaking pitches. Maybe that comes around?

[Bellhorn04]

Are they losing because of the AAA rotation? That's not the feeling I'm getting.

 

They're losing for a multiplicity of reasons. Having Eovaldi, Whitlock, Wacha and Hill all back would certainly help.

 

Losing Sale again hurts.

 

I don't see any reason for big optimism for the 2022 team.

[mvp 78]

They're losing for a multiplicity of reasons. Having Eovaldi, Whitlock, Wacha and Hill all back would certainly help.

 

Losing Sale again hurts.

 

I don't see any reason for big optimism for the 2022 team.

 

Unlike 2021, lots of injuries which will cause them to fade down the stretch most likely. Tough decisions over the next two weeks.

 

Easy to blame the AAA guys, but I don't think that's where to point the fingers right now.

[notin]

Unlike 2021, lots of injuries which will cause them to fade down the stretch most likely. Tough decisions over the next two weeks.

 

Easy to blame the AAA guys, but I don't think that's where to point the fingers right now.

 

It’s not about blaming the AAA guys. But when 80% of the rotation is recent promotions due to injury, one should expect a slow stretch…

[mvp 78]

It’s not about blaming the AAA guys. But when 80% of the rotation is recent promotions due to injury, one should expect a slow stretch…

 

The slow stretch seemed to come from the bats and relievers to me.

 

Winckowski and Crawford seemed fine. Bello struggled for sure. Not sure you see Seabold again, sorry moon.

[notin]

Are they losing because of the AAA rotation? That's not the feeling I'm getting.

 

While too early to write anyone off, the starts from Bello and Seabold, for example, created some bullpen-taxing games that may have also hurt subsequent games.

 

Winckowski and Crawford were revelations…

[notin]

The slow stretch seemed to come from the bats and relievers to me.

 

Winckowski and Crawford seemed fine. Bello struggled for sure. Not sure you see Seabold again, sorry moon.

 

And the relievers were relied upon for more innings …

[mvp 78]

And the relievers were relied upon for more innings …

 

Nick Pivetta since July 1:

 

13.50 ERA

13.1 IP

20 ER

23 H

7 BB

13 K

22 GSv2

[Bellhorn04]

Nick Pivetta since July 1:

 

13.50 ERA

13.1 IP

20 ER

23 H

7 BB

13 K

22 GSv2

 

Definitely a significant one of the multiplicity of reasons for the recent skid.

[Hitch]

Yes.

 

Are you going to continue to forget that we’ve been using Worcester’s rotation?

 

The Sox shouldn’t give up on a 6 month season because of two bad weeks…

 

We've been poor for the majority of this season, not two weeks (not withstanding the stellar stretch in the middle). We've now lost Sale, again. We're getting destroyed in the ALE. We have the hardest remaining schedule.

 

The games after the ASB will tell us a lot, but selling is a very real possibility.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

AP sports writer Noah Trister having fun today on BTV with Juan Soto trade scenarios suggested this one: Mayer, Casas, Bello, Yorke, Houck and Bogaerts. But he adds it would only be acceptable to the Nats if they could extend the X-man.

 

Apparently our top four prospects aren't good enough for 2 1/2 years of one outfielder hitting .250 this season.

[notin]

AP sports writer Noah Trister having fun today on BTV with Juan Soto trade scenarios suggested this one: Mayer, Casas, Bello, Yorke, Houck and Bogaerts. But he adds it would only be acceptable to the Nats if they could extend the X-man.

 

Apparently our top four prospects aren't good enough for 2 1/2 years of one outfielder hitting .250 this season.

 

According to BTV, that applies to the top 4 prospects of every team…

[Hitch]

There's literally zero chance we would try and make that kind of deal. And that's just fine by me.

 

Extend Devers.

[harmony]

Nick Pivetta since July 1:

 

13.50 ERA

13.1 IP

20 ER

23 H

7 BB

13 K

22 GSv2

Would the Red Sox consider trading Nick Pivetta at the deadline?

 

Baseball Trade Values lists Pivetta with a surplus value of $6.3 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/9135/

[Kimmi]

Not that it needs to, but that it's a possibility. Are you not seeing the way we're playing at the moment?

 

I don't think that the recent funk that the Sox have been in, or Sale's injury, is going to change Bloom's deadline plans very much. The Sox are still very much in contention so I cannot see Bloom selling this team off. The Sox got to this point without Sale, they can continue to contend without Sale.

 

Cora made the very good point that he doesn't need additions, but he needs the guys that are here to do what they are capable of and to play more consistently. I agree.

 

I see Bloom being a buyer, though even when the Sox were going good, I didn't see Bloom making a blockbuster. IMO, he will add some reinforcements and finish out the year with mostly the team we have now.

[Kimmi]

Yes.

 

Are you going to continue to forget that we’ve been using Worcester’s rotation?

 

The Sox shouldn’t give up on a 6 month season because of two bad weeks…

 

One game at a time.

 

Amen.

[notin]

Would the Red Sox consider trading Nick Pivetta at the deadline?

 

Baseball Trade Values lists Pivetta with a surplus value of $6.3 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/9135/

 

Trading him for who?

[harmony]

Trading him for who?

Find equal value on the Seattle Mariners:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/478/

 

... although the Mariners are unlikely to trade 23-year-old righthander Emerson Hancock, a former No. 6 draft pick who struck out the side in the sixth inning of Saturday's Futures Game.

[Bellhorn04]

Find equal value on the Seattle Mariners:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/478/

 

... although the Mariners are unlikely to trade 23-year-old righthander Emerson Hancock, a former No. 6 draft pick who struck out the side in the sixth inning of Saturday's Futures Game.

 

Realistically, if the Red Sox do become sellers, it's the expiring contracts they'll be trading, not a guy who has 2 more arb years left.

[harmony]

Realistically, if the Red Sox do become sellers, it's the expiring contracts they'll be trading, not a guy who has 2 more arb years left.

Baseball Trade Values gives the expiring contract of righthander Nathan Eovaldi a surplus value of $3.6 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/8096/

 

Of roughly equal value would be Seattle's 23-year-old prospect righthander Taylor Dollard, who is having a Brandon Walter-type season at Double A:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/43013/

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=dollar000tay