Time For the Hypo Trade Talks to Begin ?

[notin]

What am I missing? Why not just use Snell where you'd use Milone?

 

Are the contending Padres really looking to cut salary and get worse?

 

I don’t think the Padres have any intention of moving Snell. They probably have several players they’d love to move, including Hosmer, Myers, and Kim. And maybe even Pomeranz and Voit. But there’s no indication they’re willing to dump Snell to do so.

[harmony]

I don’t think the Padres have any intention of moving Snell. They probably have several players they’d love to move, including Hosmer, Myers, and Kim. And maybe even Pomeranz and Voit. But there’s no indication they’re willing to dump Snell to do so.

Dennis Lin, the veteran Padre beat reporter at The Athletic, had this response in a June 28 mailbag:

Mike Clevinger looks like the most likely pitcher to be traded since he is a potential free agent and the Padres probably won’t re-sign, right? — Karyn F.

 

If the Padres trade a starting pitcher, they likely would prefer to move Blake Snell. He’s making $5 million more than Clevinger, and unsurprisingly, the team has been frustrated with the left-hander’s lack of performance. It would be selling low on Snell, but the Padres want to clear payroll for other needs.

https://theathletic.com/3386941/2022/06/28/padres-mailbag-joe-musgrove-esteury-ruiz/?source=emp_shared_article

[mvp 78]

Dennis Lin, the veteran Padre beat reporter at The Athletic, had this response in a June 28 mailbag:

 

https://theathletic.com/3386941/2022/06/28/padres-mailbag-joe-musgrove-esteury-ruiz/?source=emp_shared_article

 

They may trade Snell, but I don't think your proposed M's deal would get it done.

[notin]

Dennis Lin, the veteran Padre beat reporter at The Athletic, had this response in a June 28 mailbag:

 

https://theathletic.com/3386941/2022/06/28/padres-mailbag-joe-musgrove-esteury-ruiz/?source=emp_shared_article

 

But even if they move Snell, the proposed package of a washed-up outfielder and an oft-released fungible pitcher is definitely not going to get it done…

[Larry Cook]

Winkowski threw a decent game tonight against the rays. I like him more and more every time I see him.

 

Our rotation is soon to be:

Sale

Eovaldi

Pivetta

Wacha

Hill

Winkowski

Crawford

Bello

 

What could we get if we traded eovaldi to a national league team that needs a starter at the deadline?

 

Yes eovaldi would be a rental, but teams paid through the nose for high to medium end rentals last trade deadline!

[moonslav59]

Winkowski threw a decent game tonight against the rays. I like him more and more every time I see him.

 

Our rotation is soon to be:

Sale

Eovaldi

Pivetta

Wacha

Hill

Winkowski

Crawford

Bello

 

What could we get if we traded eovaldi to a national league team that needs a starter at the deadline?

 

Yes eovaldi would be a rental, but teams paid through the nose for high to medium end rentals last trade deadline!

 

1. It's not happening.

2. If the idea is even considered, he has to pitch a few decent games to bring back decent value.

3. I'm not even sure we'd look to trade Hill, unless Wink gives us 3 more decent starts by the deadline, and Nate & Wacha look healthy.

[Hitch]

It's going to be an interesting 2 and a bit weeks. I fear the Sox have found themselves in the exact position I have feared since the start of the season.

 

Not out of the play off spot, but not secure in one.

 

Stuck between committing to the sell off (and getting maximum value back for Bogey, JD and Evoaldi), and being buyers and going for it.

 

I wonder if in some way, we'll do a bit of both.

[notin]

It's going to be an interesting 2 and a bit weeks. I fear the Sox have found themselves in the exact position I have feared since the start of the season.

 

Not out of the play off spot, but not secure in one.

 

Stuck between committing to the sell off (and getting maximum value back for Bogey, JD and Evoaldi), and being buyers and going for it.

 

I wonder if in some way, we'll do a bit of both.

 

Why would the Sox even consider being sellers right now?

 

Eovaldi, Bogaerts and Martinez will finish the season in Boston…

[Bellhorn04]

Why would the Sox even consider being sellers right now?

 

Eovaldi, Bogaerts and Martinez will finish the season in Boston…

 

I agree with you, but I don't think the idea of selling can be dismissed as ridiculous. The Sox are stumbling and staggering through an important stretch of games and look a lot like a .500 team. The expanded wild card still gives us a "puncher's chance", and that's about all you can say.

[mvp 78]

Why would the Sox even consider being sellers right now?

 

Eovaldi, Bogaerts and Martinez will finish the season in Boston…

 

I think all options should always be on the table. If someone came knocking and had a great offer for one of those guys, Bloom should deal. I'm not sure that will happen though. My gut says they will be in Sox unis at the end of the year.

[mvp 78]

I agree with you, but I don't think the idea of selling can be dismissed as ridiculous. The Sox are stumbling and staggering through an important stretch of games and look a lot like a .500 team. The expanded wild card still gives us a "puncher's chance", and that's about all you can say.

 

I'd feel more confident about a WC run if Eovaldi's FIP looked like 2021.

[Bellhorn04]

I'd feel more confident about a WC run if Eovaldi's FIP looked like 2021.

 

Right now the starting rotation has more question marks than a Batman episode with The Riddler.

[mvp 78]

Right now the starting rotation has more question marks than a Batman episode with The Riddler.

 

Sale - let it run its course for better or worse

Eovaldi - same as above

Pivetta - need to see what he has next time out before I jump off the Tobin

Winckowki - I think he's up for good in some capacity and would prefer him over Hill as a starter.

Crawford - 5th starter at best anyway? Not currently injured, so that's a plus.

 

Hill is supposedly throwing a bullpen today. Wacha has a bullpen on Saturday.

[oldtimer]

The Sox are going through a very tough set of games while trying to recover from an injury riddled pitching staff. In addition, they are featuring some of the least feared hitters in the league in Downs, JBJ and Dalbec and possibly throw in Duran. Add to that the lethargic style of play and it adds up to a losing streak. Decisions made earlier are bearing fruit, but it is rotten. Should the Sox try to recover by making trades at this point or sell off? If Bloom has a master plan it has not been clear since the start of the season. Is it going to be action to improve the team or a sell off?

[moonslav59]

Should the Sox try to recover by making trades at this point or sell off? If Bloom has a master plan it has not been clear since the start of the season. Is it going to be action to improve the team or a sell off?

 

A couple weeks ago, it seemed these thoughts had all but vanished.

 

3 in a row.

7 out of 9

11 out of 15

 

Out of the last 10 losses, 4 have been by 1 run, 1 by 2 runs and 1 by 3 runs. To be fair, two wins were by 1 run.

 

We have 15 games to the deadline. 10 at Home & 5 Away.

Eight are against direct competitors (4 CLE, 3 TOR and 1 @ TBR).

 

A lot can happen in these next 15 games, but the thought of us being sellers is certainly a viable subject to discuss, again. (Not like anyone needs my permission to discuss anything.)

[harmony]

I don’t think the Padres have any intention of moving Snell. They probably have several players they’d love to move, including Hosmer, Myers, and Kim. And maybe even Pomeranz and Voit. But there’s no indication they’re willing to dump Snell to do so.

From Thursday's chat with Steve Adams at MLB Trade Rumors:

Jesse

1:31 Is this the downfall of the padres again? What can preller do knowing he has limited money to work with.

Steve Adams

1:35 I'm expecting the Padres to move some money, perhaps trading Blake Snell or Dinelson Lamet -- someone with a bit of salary. Snell makes the most sense, as he has a relatively notable luxury tax hit and has underperformed, but he's still talented enough and affordable enough (for a team not smack dab up against the threshold) that there'll be interest.

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/chat-with-mlbtrs-steve-adams-7-14-22-13521.html

Edited July 14, 2022 by harmony

[Hitch]

Why would the Sox even consider being sellers right now?

 

Eovaldi, Bogaerts and Martinez will finish the season in Boston…

 

If you don't think there's a chance we are sellers I'm not sure what to say to you.

 

If this freefall continues that's where we're heading.

 

It'll all come down this next 2 weeks.

[mvp 78]

If you don't think there's a chance we are sellers I'm not sure what to say to you.

 

If this freefall continues that's where we're heading.

 

It'll all come down this next 2 weeks.

 

@NYY - this weekend

TOR - next weekend

CLE - 4 games

MIL - 3 games

 

Long homestand to get us to the trade deadline. Will be interesting.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Obviously the pen has been a huge problem. But when they get players back I can see a combination of Houk, Whitlock (a huge loss since he's been out) and Schreiber, with contributions from Sawamura and possibly Davis working. With that said it's awfully hard to make a run without an established closer. The starters have not been the problem, we saw yet another solid outing last night.

 

The bigger issue for me is the bottom of the order. It was painful to watch those guys at bat with the game on the line last night, they had no chance. For all the comebacks they have had recently the season long issue of withering up and dying down 2 in the 9th continues. At least last night they made it interesting, most nights they just go away quietly and head for the clubhouse.

 

The first move is to trade for a 1st baseman. They have given Dalbec plenty of time, maybe re-boot next season and see where he is. I gotta say it's a guy like this that scares me, he has the look of a guy who will figure it out for another team. But they just can't keep trotting him out as often as they have.

[mvp 78]

Obviously the pen has been a huge problem. But when they get players back I can see a combination of Houk, Whitlock (a huge loss since he's been out) and Schreiber, with contributions from Sawamura and possibly Davis working. With that said it's awfully hard to make a run without an established closer. The starters have not been the problem, we saw yet another solid outing last night.

 

The bigger issue for me is the bottom of the order. It was painful to watch those guys at bat with the game on the line last night, they had no chance. For all the comebacks they have had recently the season long issue of withering up and dying down 2 in the 9th continues. At least last night they made it interesting, most nights they just go away quietly and head for the clubhouse.

 

The first move is to trade for a 1st baseman. They have given Dalbec plenty of time, maybe re-boot next season and see where he is. I gotta say it's a guy like this that scares me, he has the look of a guy who will figure it out for another team. But they just can't keep trotting him out as often as they have.

 

I think that's what I thought when I posted the lineup before the game started.

 

Plawecki has been dogshit this year. DFA. Call up Wong. His OPS is below .500. Enough already.

 

The Verdugo of 2020 isn't walking through that door. He should have been traded when he had value.

 

Downs isn't an MLB guy.

 

Cordero is a backup at best, but he's getting regular time.

 

JBJ is who he is and we expected it.

 

If Duran isn't getting on at the top of the lineup, there's only 3 guys that you can count on. It's ugly.

[notin]

I think that's what I thought when I posted the lineup before the game started.

 

Plawecki has been dogshit this year. DFA. Call up Wong. His OPS is below .500. Enough already.

 

The Verdugo of 2020 isn't walking through that door. He should have been traded when he had value.

 

Downs isn't an MLB guy.

 

Cordero is a backup at best, but he's getting regular time.

 

JBJ is who he is and we expected it.

 

If Duran isn't getting on at the top of the lineup, there's only 3 guys that you can count on. It's ugly.

 

 

I don’t think the offense is as problematic as recent frustrations indicate. The Sox are second is the AL in Runs Scored, which is actually remarkable when you consider that all throughout April and early May, this offense simply could not put anything on the board. They didn’t even have a game where they scored double digit runs until May 16, and went stretches of scoring 3 or less for several games in a row. Any lack of excitement they have is far from rare in the league this year.

 

And don’t deal Verdugo. When the shift is banned next year, he is poised for a massive improvement. I stand by that…

[mvp 78]

I don’t think the offense is as problematic as recent frustrations indicate. The Sox are second is the AL in Runs Scored, which is actually remarkable when you consider that all throughout April and early May, this offense simply could not put anything on the board. They didn’t even have a game where they scored double digit runs until May 16, and went stretches of scoring 3 or less for several games in a row. Any lack of excitement they have is far from rare in the league this year.

 

And don’t deal Verdugo. When the shift is banned next year, he is poised for a massive improvement. I stand by that…

 

It's the perfect time to deal him then. Other teams will believe he'll bounce back!

[notin]

It's the perfect time to deal him then. Other teams will believe he'll bounce back!

 

But they’ll offer based on the 2022 version.

 

Plus right now, he’s the best Sox outfielder and the farm has no one between Jarren Duran and Cedanne Rafaela…

[mvp 78]

But they’ll offer based on the 2022 version.

 

Plus right now, he’s the best Sox outfielder and the farm has no one between Jarren Duran and Cedanne Rafaela…

 

What's your definition of "no one."

[notin]

What's your definition of "no one."

 

Clear MLB starters for 2023. At best they have a bunch they hope can be the next Refsnyder…

[mvp 78]

Clear MLB starters for 2023. At best they have a bunch they hope can be the next Refsnyder…

 

I don't think many teams can boast AAA rosters complete with clear MLB starters for the following season.

[notin]

I don't think many teams can boast AAA rosters complete with clear MLB starters for the following season.

 

But there are probably 10-15 outfielders above A ball on any top 100 list that will get chances in MLB in 2023. And even more not ranked by anyone…

[moonslav59]

@NYY - this weekend

TOR - next weekend

CLE - 4 games

MIL - 3 games

 

Long homestand to get us to the trade deadline. Will be interesting.

 

The deadline is AUG 2. We will be in HOU, at that time, and will have played them a game or two. (Not sure the time of the deadline. I think it's before the night games.)

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I don’t think the offense is as problematic as recent frustrations indicate. The Sox are second is the AL in Runs Scored, which is actually remarkable when you consider that all throughout April and early May, this offense simply could not put anything on the board. They didn’t even have a game where they scored double digit runs until May 16, and went stretches of scoring 3 or less for several games in a row. Any lack of excitement they have is far from rare in the league this year.

 

And don’t deal Verdugo. When the shift is banned next year, he is poised for a massive improvement. I stand by that…

 

The offensive ranking appears to be a function of having a number of extremely high scoring games. But for the majority of the games it seems that they are struggling to score enough runs, this is not new. When the big guys make outs they lose and that is a huge handicap. Verdugo is hitting fine now, not sure why it was suggested that he be traded.

 

When you field a lineup that goes Cordero, Plawecki, JBJ and Downs, and your best right handed PH is Bobby Dalbec and you are down in the 9th inning you have virtually no chance. They simply have to change that.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Yaz Fan Since '67

[harmony]

The deadline is AUG 2. We will be in HOU, at that time, and will have played them a game or two. (Not sure the time of the deadline. I think it's before the night games.)

The trade deadline reportedly is 6 pm EDT on August 2:

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/07/01/trade-deadline-primer-five-tool-newsletter#:~:text=We're%20just%20about%20a,2%20at%206%20p.m.%20ET.