Time For the Hypo Trade Talks to Begin ?

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

The Red Sox have discussed trading for Dominic Smith with the Mets

[moonslav59]

The main reason to trade for Soto is he is the perfect replacement for a team that took a PR beating for trading Betts, especially since that was a straight up financial move. The funny thing is, had the Sox kept Betts and let him walk, the PR hit would be less as it would have at least made a lot of people blame the departure on Mookie and his “unreasonable” contract demands. (And no one seems to acknowledge that signing Betts back then potentially meant losing Bogaerts after 2019.)

 

Certainly acquiring Soto would at least restore some fan base faith that the Sox will pay for superstar talent. But on this case, would t that be able to extend Devers? And how much potential minimum wage talent (that would become even more necessary) would have to go just to get the rights to negotiate with Soto?

 

I’d love Soto in Boston, but the overall price just looks too prohibitive…

 

It would do the opposite, to me, in "restoring faith."

 

I'd totally give up on any thinking that team management has a clue of how to do business and build consistently winning teams.

 

Trading Betts for Verdugo and scraps and then trading 3-5 top prospects for Soto and then paying him 50% more than what we could have gotten Betts for is a major loss in cred, IMO.

[mvp 78]

BTV:

 

Wyatt Olds

 

for

 

Dominic Smith

[mvp 78]

It would do the opposite, to me, in "restoring faith."

 

I'd totally give up on any thinking that team management has a clue of how to do business and build consistently winning teams.

 

Trading Betts for Verdugo and scraps and then trading 3-5 top prospects for Soto and then paying him 50% more than what we could have gotten Betts for is a major loss in cred, IMO.

 

It would be very weird.

 

Reminiscent of letting Lester go and signing Price the following year.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

The Red Sox have discussed trading for Dominic Smith with the Mets

 

@itsbrianbarrett

550 plate appearances since the start of 2021 (215 players)

 

Dominic Smith

 

.645 OPS - 200th

.345 SLG - 204th

.112 ISO - 191st

 

0 Home Runs in 2022

[moonslav59]

It would be very weird.

 

Reminiscent of letting Lester go and signing Price the following year.

 

More extreme, IMO.

 

If building back fan faith is the motive, getting Soto might convince the majority of fans we are back in top contention, but unless Henry is prepared to open his checkbook further and become the LAD East, getting Soto and paying him $440M or more would cripple the team's finances for over a decade. We'd be the LAA East, instead.

[moonslav59]

@ChrisCotillo

The Red Sox have discussed trading for Dominic Smith with the Mets

 

I hope this is a lie or a smoke screen.

[notin]

BTV:

 

Wyatt Olds

 

for

 

Dominic Smith

 

Is Dominic Smith even an upgrade over Cordero?

 

Defensively he is, but only on the same way the syphilis is an upgrade over HIV…

[mvp 78]

More extreme, IMO.

 

If building back fan faith is the motive, getting Soto might convince the majority of fans we are back in top contention, but unless Henry is prepared to open his checkbook further and become the LAD East, getting Soto and paying him $440M or more would cripple the team's finances for over a decade. We'd be the LAA East, instead.

 

The Angels' problem is that they can't supplement their star players with anything from their s***** farm system. The Dodgers can keep adding from a stacked farm.

 

Sox could add a $35M Soto and keep a $30M Devers. It's top heavy, but doable IMO.

[moonslav59]

Is Dominic Smith even an upgrade over Cordero?

 

Defensively he is, but only on the same way the syphilis is an upgrade over HIV…

 

I'd rather have Casas play with a cast on his ankle than get Smith.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

then paying him 50% more than what we could have gotten Betts for .

 

In the winter they traded Betts I predicted the Red Sox would do this in about three years... for someone else not as good.

 

Soto is not a better overall player than Betts, but his Hall of Fame bat may do more damage to the baseball than any team's payroll in the next decade; how many World Series rings he wins remains to be seen (he already has one).

 

It would seem there are very few clubs that can actually afford Soto -- and it would be hard to believe that anyone would trade their top four prospects for one guy unless they had a guarantee he'd sign with them...

[mvp 78]

Is Dominic Smith even an upgrade over Cordero?

 

Defensively he is, but only on the same way the syphilis is an upgrade over HIV…

 

I would have said it's like going from Dr Bob to Mr Pibb. It's still not Dr Pepper.

[mvp 78]

I'd rather have Casas play with a cast on his ankle than get Smith.

 

If not giving anything up??? I guess...

 

The definition of low risk, low reward. Don't want him hanging around on the 40 man through 2024 though.

[mvp 78]

In the winter they traded Betts I predicted the Red Sox would do this in about three years... for someone else not as good.

 

Soto is not a better overall player than Betts, but his Hall of Fame bat may do more damage to the baseball than any team's payroll in the next decade; how many World Series rings he wins remains to be seen (he already has one).

 

It would seem there are very few clubs that can actually afford Soto -- and it would be hard to believe that anyone would trade their top four prospects for one guy unless they had a guarantee he'd sign with them...

 

Very risky.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Very risky.

 

It's almost like someone would need a secret fistpump with Boras first...

[mvp 78]

It's almost like someone would need a secret fistpump with Boras first...

 

I just don't see the Sox making this trade. Dombrowski? Sure. Bloom era? No way.

[notin]

I would have said it's like going from Dr Bob to Mr Pibb. It's still not Dr Pepper.

 

My other option was it was like upgrading from Days Inn to EconoLodge. But that lacked any real power…

[mvp 78]

My other option was it was like upgrading from Days Inn to EconoLodge. But that lacked any real power…

 

What about Holiday Inn to Hampton Inn?

[moonslav59]

In the winter they traded Betts I predicted the Red Sox would do this in about three years... for someone else not as good.

 

Soto is not a better overall player than Betts, but his Hall of Fame bat may do more damage to the baseball than any team's payroll in the next decade; how many World Series rings he wins remains to be seen (he already has one).

 

It would seem there are very few clubs that can actually afford Soto -- and it would be hard to believe that anyone would trade their top four prospects for one guy unless they had a guarantee he'd sign with them...

 

Agreed.

 

The thing is, I would not pay him $440M as a free agent, so why would I give up one top prospect to get to sign hin to that, let alone 3-4 top prospects?

[moonslav59]

If not giving anything up??? I guess...

 

The definition of low risk, low reward. Don't want him hanging around on the 40 man through 2024 though.

 

It would be a waste of time trying to find out he's slightly better than Cordero.

 

Sure, maybe he surprises, butso might Casas in a cast.

[mvp 78]

It would be a waste of time trying to find out he's slightly better than Cordero.

 

Sure, maybe he surprises, butso might Casas in a cast.

 

Problem is, that's how a lot of the Bloom moves are, just adding to the "depth."

[moonslav59]

Problem is, that's how a lot of the Bloom moves are, just adding to the "depth."

 

This not the time of year for that

[mvp 78]

Agreed.

 

The thing is, I would not pay him $440M as a free agent, so why would I give up one top prospect to get to sign hin to that, let alone 3-4 top prospects?

 

440/13 years? Seems fair to me.

[mvp 78]

This not the time of year for that

 

Ok? Tell that to the Red Sox.

[notin]

What about Holiday Inn to Hampton Inn?

 

I was saving those for when Dan Vogelbach becomes an option at 1b…

[notin]

Problem is, that's how a lot of the Bloom moves are, just adding to the "depth."

 

Can’t you say that about most GMs? Especially the ones whose primary job isn’t shedding payroll…

[moonslav59]

440/13 years? Seems fair to me.

 

Fair, inn terms of market value, yes, but that doesn't mean I'm on board with signing him to that.

 

I would not be upset, if we did. I was for offering Betts whatever it took.

 

I'm just not for trading even one top prospect for the right to sign someone to a high market value contract.

 

It was why I was against trading several prospects for Kimbrel and his near market value remaining contract. (True, the market leaped past his numbers right after the signing, and I have admitted that changed that dynamic of the trade, in hindsight.)

[moonslav59]

Ok? Tell that to the Red Sox.

 

If I thought they'd listen I would.

 

Don't they read all of our posts, anyway?

 

LOL

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I just don't see the Sox making this trade. Dombrowski? Sure. Bloom era? No way.

 

 

The 'Bloom Era' is really the new 'JH Era.'

[moonslav59]

The 'Bloom Era' is really the new 'JH Era.'

 

I can see that view, but JH has gone through cycles of lower spending, before, and then turned on the monet faucet again and again.

 

I think he waits until he thinks we are close enough to winning a ring to give the green light.

 

The only exception to that was when he brought in DD to turn around a team that finished in last place 3 of 4 years, although one could argue the foundation was already set to give the green light to Ben, had he stayed.