Fire Bloom .

[cp176]

Us old-time Sox fans waited till next year right up until 2004.

 

1967 made 1978 and 1986 really stink!

[Bellhorn04]

1967 made 1978 and 1986 really stink!

 

I wasn't really on board until after 1967.

 

1972 was my first heartache season.

 

Then came 1974, 1975, 1977 and 1978.

 

For me 1978 will always be the worst. With 1986 a solid second.

[Old Red]

A post that i can support! WAIT 'TILL NEXT YEAR.

 

It always made me look forward to the spring. 1967 came and screwed everything up.

 

1967 was the start of Red Sox Nation as we know it today.

[Elktonnick]

I honestly think a lot of the so-called "Bloom supporters" will withdraw their support if he lets them down in 2023.

He and they will run out of excuses

[cp176]

1967 was the start of Red Sox Nation as we know it today.

 

i know right. Can you can get anymore screwed up than we are now? If Tony C. hadn't gotten injured, we might be in a much better place.

[cp176]

I wasn't really on board until after 1967.

 

1972 was my first heartache season.

 

Then came 1974, 1975, 1977 and 1978.

 

For me 1978 will always be the worst. With 1986 a solid second.

 

 

Whoops i left out '75.

[jad]

A post that i can support! WAIT 'TILL NEXT YEAR.

 

It always made me look forward to the spring. 1967 came and screwed everything up.

 

Totally agree. I loved the late 50s and early 60s. If you want to win? watch the Celtics. It's like when the Bruins got Bobby Orr.

[cp176]

Totally agree. I loved the late 50s and early 60s. If you want to win? watch the Celtics. It's like when the Bruins got Bobby Orr.

 

Guys like us share a special bond that these youngsters who are always squabbling about useless stuff will never share. Maybe I grew to love the game so much partly because of the anticipation of next year. The expectation of winning every year was tough as well. When the Sixers finally got past the Cs in '67/68 it hurt just as much as any Red Sox loss. We just weren't prepared for it. We were supposed to win every year.

[Bellhorn04]

He and they will run out of excuses

 

That's the pessimistic take, sure. I'm hoping it goes the other way.

[Elktonnick]

That's the pessimistic take, sure. I'm hoping it goes the other way.

Bloom has done nothing to warrent optimism. An isolated deal here and there does not a championship team make.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom has done nothing to warrent optimism. An isolated deal here and there does not a championship team make.

 

Saying he's done nothing to warrant optimism seems like a form of denial.

 

2021 ALCS appearance.

Big improvement in farm ranking.

[notin]

Saying he's done nothing to warrant optimism seems like a form of denial.

 

2021 ALCS appearance.

Big improvement in farm ranking.

 

And a team that was playing very well this season until injuries derailed them.

 

And all of that happened without his ace pitcher!

[Elktonnick]

And a team that was playing very well this season until injuries derailed them.

 

And all of that happened without his ace pitcher!

A team playing well against teams with sub 500 records.

[Old Red]

And a team that was playing very well this season until injuries derailed them.

 

And all of that happened without his ace pitcher!

 

Outside of the fantasy month of June when playing the bad bad West, who were also playing bad bad when was the Red Sox playing very well.After the Fantasy month of June the Sox came back to reality in a hurry. Ace pitcher? The Sox don’t have one, and hasn’t since 2017/ early part of 2018. Come on man!

[Elktonnick]

Saying he's done nothing to warrant optimism seems like a form of denial.

 

2021 ALCS appearance.

Big improvement in farm ranking.

He deconstructed the 21 team. Building the farm would have come naturally in any case.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And a team that was playing very well this season until injuries derailed them.

 

And all of that happened without his ace pitcher!

 

Wacha is back!

[moonslav59]

I think Bloom is going to surprise everyone with the moves he makes this off-season, for better or worse.

 

He keeps on being labeled as a small market GM managing the Sox like a small market team who will not go out and make the big moves. It seems this opinion is largely shared by those who want Bloom fired and those who are giving him more patience alike. I think, or at least I hypothesize you’re all wrong.

 

Bloom was brought in here to mix small market ideals with a big budget team. To model an organization like LA (maybe not quite as high a payroll but who knows). Let’s look at what LA does, they stay competitive by adding payroll, but they surprisingly always have a strong farm and mix in their talent with young players as well. Despite a lower draft position year after year, they do this by keeping the farm intact and superior scouting. The first thing you have to do to get to this point is rebuild the farm. In 3 years we’ve gone from the worse farm system to a top 10 system in baseball.

 

So this is where we are at, no disagreements here. You can’t argue that Bloom has accomplished the mandate of rebuilding the system. After that a divergence occurs, many fans can’t stomach several seasons in a row of non-competivness (We did almost make it to the World Series last year).

 

Now we find Bloom in a unique situation. People on both sides don’t think he has the balls to make big moves because he’s a small market GM. Well, here’s my argument to the contrary. He WAS a small market GM, he came into Boston and had no payroll flexibility, his job was to shed payroll and build up the farm. Mission accomplished.

 

But now he’s walking into an off-season with 100 million to spend. Premium free agents who play positions we have big holes at, and a year in which a large number of other big market teams are up against the luxury tax and seemingly don’t have the ability to be as active as us. Bloom has never had this opportunity before, and I think it’s unwise to assume he’s going to run the Sox like the TB rays this off-season. I think this off-season is the year they make their moves.

 

If I’m wrong, I’d be perfectly content moving over to the fire Bloom side. But he has a golden opportunity to build a great team this off-season. Let’s see what happens.

 

Good post.

 

One surprise I think Bloom will create is to trade away a big prospect or 2-3 moderately big ones to fill a high need with a cost-effective, multiple years of control player. (I also think Ben was about to do that before he left.)

 

If I had to guess, I doubt he resigns Bogey or goes mega splash with Judge or the select few other blue chippers, but I do think he signs 2-4 guys in the contract range around the Story deal ($17-25M a year x 4-6 years.)

 

Maybe 2-4 from:

 

C: Narvaez

2B: K Wong

SS: Swanson/Anderson (Maybe Bogey, if he signs for Story-like money)

CF: Nimmo

RF: Haniger

SP: Kershaw

 

If we only sign 2 from the above group, maybe we also sign 2-3 from this 3rd tier group ($10-20M/yr)

Closer: Diaz

SP: Nate (QO?)/ Wacha (QO?)/ Bassitt/Morton/SGray

CF: Kike

1B/DH: Rizzo/Abreu/Brantley/Mancini/Bell

[moonslav59]

I honestly think a lot of the so-called "Bloom supporters" will withdraw their support if he lets them down in 2023.

 

I also think many of the so-called Bloom supporters recognize he has made several mistakes and don't blindly defend everything he has done.

 

All GMs make mistakes. The list of the highest paid FAs is a testament to that fact.

 

Often, those countering extreme bashing Bloom posts are just offering context or non-hindsight reasoning for the event being bashed, and not saying the move worked or was successful.

[moonslav59]

I wasn't really on board until after 1967.

 

1972 was my first heartache season.

 

Then came 1974, 1975, 1977 and 1978.

 

For me 1978 will always be the worst. With 1986 a solid second.

 

I "came aboard" in 1972, as well, the only year a team was allowed to miss the playoffs by a half game.

 

I cried in '75.

I swore in '78.

I wallowed in the misery of '86.

I wondered how long the pain would go on in '03.

I guess I assumed all older Sox fans learned humility.

 

2004 was magical and cathartic.

2007 was astounding.

2013 was Boston Strong!

2018 was near perfection.

Before each of these wonderful seasons, sacrifices were made. I'm hopeful, that is what we are going through now, but maybe I'm just being naive or overly optimistic. I can understand the frustration, impatience and even the anger and need to assign blame by many fans. No doubt- this sucks!

 

I don't think blowing up the "plan" is the solution. Bringing in someone who empties the farm to win now, will only lead to another period like we are going through, now. I'm in this for the long haul. My Dad just turned a healthy 95, and I hope I'm around to watch my Sox win for another 30+ years.

[moonslav59]

Bloom has done nothing to warrent optimism. An isolated deal here and there does not a championship team make.

 

You are not much more optimistic about the farm than in 2019?

[moonslav59]

He deconstructed the 21 team. Building the farm would have come naturally in any case.

 

He deconstructed Richards, Ottavino, Perez, Marwin, Andriese and Santana?

 

Sure, keeping rentals like Schwarber, Iggy, Robles and Shaw made some sense, but at what cost, and even Schwarber has not really earned his keep.

 

I guess the term reconstruction applies to Renfroe- someone he stole at $3.1M signing in 2021. (No credit ever given for obtaining him in the first place.)

 

Farm rebuilding is not "natural." Ask DD.

[Old Red]

You are not much more optimistic about the farm than in 2019?

 

Farm, farm, farm. The average Joe fan Does Not Care about the farm, which is preached often on here. What’s the Red Sox record today, and where are they in the standings is all they want to know. I get it that having a good farm system is important, but I think some don’t get that lots of fans don’t care.

[notin]

Farm, farm, farm. The average Joe fan Does Not Care about the farm, which is preached often on here. What’s the Red Sox record today, and where are they in the standings is all they want to know. I get it that having a good farm system is important, but I think some don’t get that lots of fans don’t care.

 

 

The average fan DOES care about the farm. They just don’t know it.

 

They care about the farm when trades need to be made, be it for Chris Sale or Hansel Robles or anyone in between.

 

They care about the farm when Devers needs to be extended but other positions need to be filled with the budget, whatever that is.

 

They care about the farm when injuries pile up and pitchers like Crawford and Winckowski get pressed into action.

 

And they care about the farm when certain players make their debut.

[dgalehouse]

I honestly think a lot of the so-called "Bloom supporters" will withdraw their support if he lets them down in 2023.

 

I'm not so sure about that.

[moonslav59]

The average fan DOES care about the farm. They just don’t know it.

 

They care about the farm when trades need to be made, be it for Chris Sale or Hansel Robles or anyone in between.

 

They care about the farm when Devers needs to be extended but other positions need to be filled with the budget, whatever that is.

 

They care about the farm when injuries pile up and pitchers like Crawford and Winckowski get pressed into action.

 

And they care about the farm when certain players make their debut.

 

So, GMs should make all choices based on the average Joe fan's beliefs?

 

LMAO!.

 

Every decent GM values the farm immensely, even if just as trade pieces. Keeping the farm strong is essential to winning. Even the mega budget Dodgers strive to keep their farm strong and deep.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not so sure about that.

 

That figures. You think they're all full of blind, irrational devotion.

[Bellhorn04]

Farm, farm, farm. The average Joe fan Does Not Care about the farm, which is preached often on here.

 

I think that's nonsense, frankly.

[notin]

So, GMs should make all choices based on the average Joe fan's beliefs?

 

LMAO!.

 

Every decent GM values the farm immensely, even if just as trade pieces. Keeping the farm strong is essential to winning. Even the mega budget Dodgers strive to keep their farm strong and deep.

 

Not to mention, this board has a lot of Baseball Junkie diehard fans who post things on Saturday morning when no game is being played and who start threads in November and a December when baseball is months away and out of the mind of casual fans.

 

If you want to defend the viewpoint of Casual Joe Soxfan, this might not be the best forum…

[dgalehouse]

That figures. You think they're all full of blind, irrational devotion.

 

Just going by what I see posted here.

[Old Red]

The average fan DOES care about the farm. They just don’t know it.

 

They care about the farm when trades need to be made, be it for Chris Sale or Hansel Robles or anyone in between.

 

They care about the farm when Devers needs to be extended but other positions need to be filled with the budget, whatever that is.

 

They care about the farm when injuries pile up and pitchers like Crawford and Winckowski get pressed into action.

 

And they care about the farm when certain players make their debut.

So now your trying to tell people what they care about and what they don’t care about. I have said many times that I could care less about any prospect/suspect until they put on a Red Sox uniform, and produce, or is traded for someone who does. Not all minor league players are prospects.