Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

Then, they don't admit they hate of have any disdain, despite a continued pattern of bashing on virtually every front. When they mention bad trades, they never even offer a balancing comment that some trades have worked well, and others are still not complete enough to judge, finally. They minimize the Whitlock addition as "luck." They hardly mention the Schreiber, refsnyder and Arroyo pick-ups that were pretty much for free. They bash the renfroe trade without mentioning that Bloom got him for a steal of $3.1M the prior winter. They mention the Beni trade, which one side of the trade ends in less than 2 months, and the other looks much more promising than before. They never mention us getting German for Ottavino's salary dump, or they say, "He hasn't pitched in the majors, yet. Well, neither has the cash we gave up for him.) The Wacha signing looks very good. The Strahm one did, until he got hurt. Maybe the Hill signing will end up a plus. The Story signing isn't even 1/6th done, and it's already a bust, seemingly by some.

 

Yes, the JBJ traded sucked. I agreed from day one, but even that trade brought us prospects that may balance or nearly balance it, later.

 

It's about context and the total picture, but some can't seem to see the forest through the trees.

 

Yes, we are at .500 with a $225M player budget. Once can oversimplify, or one can be a simpleton- sometimes both.

 

 

 

 

There you go with the hate, and disdain talk that you are infamous for again.you don’t go a day without it, or the fans are shallow, or angry with watching what’s going on, and liking the results. It always somebody else that’s wrong, or don’t get it. Maybe just maybe the fans are right, and do get it, which you don’t like.

[Hugh2]

And that is a better argument to be had.

 

It’s all relative. Who is underperforming? Is it the middle of the order SS? Or the CFer you expected to bat 9th?

 

And who’s getting injured? A middle reliever? Or the guy you expected to be your ace?

 

With this team it’s highly debatable. Regardless, those two things combined (under performance and injury) are by far and large the difference maker between last year and this year.

[Old Red]

It’s all relative. Who is underperforming? Is it the middle of the order SS? Or the CFer you expected to bat 9th?

 

And who’s getting injured? A middle reliever? Or the guy you expected to be your ace?

 

With this team it’s highly debatable. Regardless, those two things combined (under performance and injury) are by far and large the difference maker between last year and this year.

 

Who is underperforming starts at the top with Bloom, and works it’s way down to the players that we agree on.

[Old Red]

18 11 start with Jansen at Closer

 

Arroyo playing well at 2B hey pink hats!

 

20 million short (Storybook) to sign Devers “priceless”

 

Bye bye Orlando!

 

Most on here don’t think a reliable closer like Jensen wouldn’t have made that much of a difference in the beginning, and don’t blame Bloom for getting one, because of it.

[Bellhorn04]

I can't totally let Bloom off the hook for 2022.

 

He's responsible for Bradley, Cordero, Diekman, Robles etc. He could have done some things better. He has also made some good moves and is definitely improving the farm. And there's going to be a lot of cash freed up. So it'll be an interesting offseason, I think

[dgalehouse]

Kind of leaving out that it was Dombrowski's contract, and Price was virtually toast.

 

That is beside the point .

[Bellhorn04]

That is beside the point .

 

No it isn't, not when we're evaluating Bloom's performance. Price's dead money was a hindrance to spending.

[Hugh2]

I can't totally let Bloom off the hook for 2022.

 

He's responsible for Bradley, Cordero, Diekman, Robles etc. He could have done some things better. He has also made some good moves and is definitely improving the farm. And there's going to be a lot of cash freed up. So it'll be an interesting offseason, I think

 

Oddly enough many of the big market teams (effectively all of them) have VERY little money coming off the books while the Sox have over 100 million to spend (depending on options and opt outs).

 

It’s literally the perfect storm to go big. I also find it interesting that in year that will have far less suitors an MVP caliber free agent is coming to market in a position of desperation for the Sox and everyone is scared of big contracts.

 

We need to be in on the Judge sweepstakes to at the very least drive the price up for NY

[JDavis76]

So should we strive to be more like the Yankees?

 

Would you say they’ve been more or less successful than the Red Sox I’m the John Henry era?

 

Now you are moving the goal posts. Your claim was that the sox had "unprecedented" injuries (which is not true) and that's the reason that they are not competitive. I merely pointed out that injuries are not a valid excuse for a $200M+ payroll to not be competitive and wallow in last place. Pretty simple.

[sk7326]

I can't totally let Bloom off the hook for 2022.

 

He's responsible for Bradley, Cordero, Diekman, Robles etc. He could have done some things better. He has also made some good moves and is definitely improving the farm. And there's going to be a lot of cash freed up. So it'll be an interesting offseason, I think

 

There were a lot of dice rolls ... last year, the dice rolls went Renfroe and Kike ... this year, not so much. In particular, 1B and corner OF are the sorts of positions where you expect good offensive outcomes and the Red Sox getting virtually nothing (like on an absolute level, not just "bad for the position") really screwed things up.

 

Even then, a world where the team got just a FEW more starts from Eovaldi and Wacha likely would have them right in the wild card mix.

[sk7326]

Now you are moving the goal posts. Your claim was that the sox had "unprecedented" injuries (which is not true) and that's the reason that they are not competitive. I merely pointed out that injuries are not a valid excuse for a $200M+ payroll to not be competitive and wallow in last place. Pretty simple.

 

They are wallowing in last place because they are playing in the only division where that would be the case.

[JDavis76]

They are wallowing in last place because they are playing in the only division where that would be the case.

 

They are wallowing in last place because they have the worst record in the division that they do play in.

[Hugh2]

Now you are moving the goal posts. Your claim was that the sox had "unprecedented" injuries (which is not true) and that's the reason that they are not competitive. I merely pointed out that injuries are not a valid excuse for a $200M+ payroll to not be competitive and wallow in last place. Pretty simple.

 

When half your AAV is on the DL it’s not an excuse?

 

First of all, that’s absurd.

 

Second of all, I never used the word “excuse” that’s y’all words.

 

I said it was a fact. It’s, the Sox have the most money on the DL this year and are up there for number of days lost. That’s going to effect any team. We can talk forever about the extent to that effect but it’s illogical to not conclude it doesn’t have an effect.

 

Besides Bogaerts, the best players on the Sox have been injured either all or some of the year. With some guys who are supposed to be your ace out all year.

 

That’s not the only reason this team is out of first place, but it’s a large part of why they’re.

[dgalehouse]

No it isn't, not when we're evaluating Bloom's performance. Price's dead money was a hindrance to spending.

 

Bloom agreed to pay half his salary ..

[Bellhorn04]

Oddly enough many of the big market teams (effectively all of them) have VERY little money coming off the books while the Sox have over 100 million to spend (depending on options and opt outs).

 

It’s literally the perfect storm to go big. I also find it interesting that in year that will have far less suitors an MVP caliber free agent is coming to market in a position of desperation for the Sox and everyone is scared of big contracts.

 

We need to be in on the Judge sweepstakes to at the very least drive the price up for NY

 

I'm not opposed to that, but I'm more concerned about keeping Devers.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom agreed to pay half his salary ..

 

It's more accurate to say he was able to dump half of it. It's called cutting losses. If we didn't do it we'd be even more screwed.

[sk7326]

Oddly enough many of the big market teams (effectively all of them) have VERY little money coming off the books while the Sox have over 100 million to spend (depending on options and opt outs).

 

It’s literally the perfect storm to go big. I also find it interesting that in year that will have far less suitors an MVP caliber free agent is coming to market in a position of desperation for the Sox and everyone is scared of big contracts.

 

We need to be in on the Judge sweepstakes to at the very least drive the price up for NY

 

It is not nearly as good a FA class as last year - but the Sox will be in a good position. Judge or Trea Turner are the big catches, particularly assuming Bogaerts is gone. (though I would not assume that necessarily just given the field)

 

Eovaldi is worth bringing back for a couple of years. I'd love to bring Wacha back on another short deal though he might have earned a more substantial payday with his performance (if the medicals check out). Chris Archer seems like the sort of guy who the Red Sox would take a 1-year swing at. And it'd be nice to get the bullpen to the point they can re-visit Whitlock in the rotation.

 

And of course, it'd be nice to see if Story is actually good or not.

[JDavis76]

When half your AAV is on the DL it’s not an excuse?

 

First of all, that’s absurd.

 

Second of all, I never used the word “excuse” that’s y’all words.

 

I said it was a fact. It’s, the Sox have the most money on the DL this year and are up there for number of days lost. That’s going to effect any team. We can talk forever about the extent to that effect but it’s illogical to not conclude it doesn’t have an effect.

 

Besides Bogaerts, the best players on the Sox have been injured either all or some of the year. With some guys who are supposed to be your ace out all year.

 

That’s not the only reason this team is out of first place, but it’s a large part of why they’re.

 

And, as I clearly showed, it's just an excuse.....

[moonslav59]

Of course I get the point . But the point is ridiculous . If I sell my car and still owe payments on it , I have to make those payments . But I can't drive the car . The Sox traded Price ( along with some other guy ) and agreed to still pay half his salary . So don't complain that he is not pitching for you . You did it . Live with it.

 

Yes, we are living with it. We still make the car payments and have less to spend on food and luxuries.

[moonslav59]

When half your AAV is on the DL it’s not an excuse?

 

First of all, that’s absurd.

 

Second of all, I never used the word “excuse” that’s y’all words.

 

I said it was a fact. It’s, the Sox have the most money on the DL this year and are up there for number of days lost. That’s going to effect any team. We can talk forever about the extent to that effect but it’s illogical to not conclude it doesn’t have an effect.

 

Besides Bogaerts, the best players on the Sox have been injured either all or some of the year. With some guys who are supposed to be your ace out all year.

 

That’s not the only reason this team is out of first place, but it’s a large part of why they’re.

 

Some are even claiming Bogey is playing hurt, but it's not an excuse.

[dgalehouse]

Yes, we are living with it. We still make the car payments and have less to spend on food and luxuries.

 

While we own twelve yachts .

[Bellhorn04]

While we own twelve yachts .

 

Here we go again. Henry can spend as much as he wants, so why doesn't he, right?

[dgalehouse]

It's more accurate to say he was able to dump half of it. It's called cutting losses. If we didn't do it we'd be even more screwed.

 

To me , if you do something deliberately , you can't then use it as an excuse for what comes next . I am not equipped to discuss negotiations between GMs , but it seems to me that if you are trading someone of the caliber of Mookie Betts , you might try to persuade the other GM to take Price and his full contract .

[dgalehouse]

Here we go again. Henry can spend as much as he wants, so why doesn't he, right?

 

No , no . I was just responding to Moon saying that the family was going hungry .

[sk7326]

To me , if you do something deliberately , you can't then use it as an excuse for what comes next . I am not equipped to discuss negotiations between GMs , but it seems to me that if you are trading someone of the caliber of Mookie Betts , you might try to persuade the other GM to take Price and his full contract .

 

The financial relief is fine as far as it goes. But it is hard to see the return on the Soto deal (granted 2 years of control vs 1) and not play a sad trombone for the Betts trade.

[Bellhorn04]

To me , if you do something deliberately , you can't then use it as an excuse for what comes next . I am not equipped to discuss negotiations between GMs , but it seems to me that if you are trading someone of the caliber of Mookie Betts , you might try to persuade the other GM to take Price and his full contract .

 

We've been through all this. Maybe Bloom did ask for more and the Dodgers drew the line. None of us were in on the conversations.

[Bellhorn04]

The financial relief is fine as far as it goes. But it is hard to see the return on the Soto deal (granted 2 years of control vs 1) and not play a sad trombone for the Betts trade.

 

Actually 2 full years of control and 3 playoff seasons for Soto.

[moonslav59]

No , no . I was just responding to Moon saying that the family was going hungry .

 

Is it better to just stick your head in the sand and pretend Henry's wallet is always open?

[moonslav59]

No , no . I was just responding to Moon saying that the family was going hungry .

 

I never said that.

[moonslav59]

We've been through all this. Maybe Bloom did ask for more and the Dodgers drew the line. None of us were in on the conversations.

 

It's absurd to think Bloom never tried to get more than he did.

 

He traded 1 year of Betts, that turned out to be a 60 game season, plus $16M x 3, that turned to 2 years, of Prices contract for Verdugo, who already has a higher WAR than that one year of Betts and 2 prospects.

 

I had hoped he'd get more, too, but the reported SDP deal looked no better, and the fact is, dumping Price was a major aspect of that trade.