Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

Blasphemy! We are talking about our beloved team leader, here.

 

Sham on you.

 

We get it you don’t like Bogey, and your team leader comments, and just because he’s the unnamed Capt, and leader in the clubhouse does not mean he can’t scuffle at the plate, which he has certainly done the 2nd half of the year, so I’ll agree with you, and let’s get rid of ALL our leaders, who have all sucked in Bogey, Bloom, and Cora.

[moonslav59]

The returning big gun vets have all but disappeared:

 

Last 7 days:

.762 JD

.654 Bogey

.444 Dalbec

.366 Devers

 

The Calvary:

.783 Pham

.661 Hosmer

.429 McGuire

 

The others:

5.000 Franchy

1.714 Refsnyder

1.000 Plawecki

.852 Dugo (a returning vet, but he messes up my chart)

.815 Arroyo

.688 Kike

.490 Duran

 

Last 14 days (Not on the 26 right before the deadline)

5.000 Franchy

1.714 Refsnyder

1.014 Dugo

.903 Pham

.839 Arroyo

.699 McGuire

.688 Kike

.630 Duran

.619 JD

.572 Bogey

.548 Hosmer

.529 Dalbec

.500 Ja Davis

.478 Plawecki

.467 Devers

[Elktonnick]

That’s ridiculous.

 

If Devers or Bogaerts decided to no longer try because they didn’t like the trade deadline activity, why would anyone want either of them extended.

 

The roster activity and direction of their team is neither of their concern. The job of both - and everyone else on the roster is simply to play ball to their best of their ability…

Except for June this team has played with a collective lack of motivation. Individual motivation is a separate issue. But as a group they are not picking each other up. Devers has completely abandoned his previously successful approach at the plate

Bogaerts has been played with a lack of focus.

As a group they look demoralized. The core players know that Bloom's moves in the spring through the deadline weakened the team.

Pedro said it all. "Bloom has headache with Bogaerts, with Devers". The obvious conclusion they are not happy him. And their on field play shows it.

Bloom fans can delude themselves if they wish but this is not a happy clubhouse.

[Old Red]

The returning big gun vets have all but disappeared:

 

Last 7 days:

.762 JD

.654 Bogey

.444 Dalbec

.366 Devers

 

The Calvary:

.783 Pham

.661 Hosmer

.429 McGuire

 

The others:

5.000 Franchy

1.714 Refsnyder

1.000 Plawecki

.852 Dugo (a returning vet, but he messes up my chart)

.815 Arroyo

.688 Kike

.490 Duran

 

Last 14 days (Not on the 26 right before the deadline)

5.000 Franchy

1.714 Refsnyder

1.014 Dugo

.903 Pham

.839 Arroyo

.699 McGuire

.688 Kike

.630 Duran

.619 JD

.572 Bogey

.548 Hosmer

.529 Dalbec

.500 Ja Davis

.478 Plawecki

.467 Devers

 

Good list, but the eye test has told you all you need to know has it not?

[Old Red]

Except for June this team has played with a collective lack of motivation. Individual motivation is a separate issue. But as a group they are not picking each other up. Devers has completely abandoned his previously successful approach at the plate

Bogaerts has been played with a lack of focus.

As a group they look demoralized. The core players know that Bloom's moves in the spring through the deadline weakened the team.

Pedro said it all. "Bloom has headache with Bogaerts, with Devers". The obvious conclusion they are not happy him. And their on field play shows it.

Bloom fans can delude themselves if they wish but this is not a happy clubhouse.

 

I have talked about the Fantasy month of June that some on here bought into many times. We all saw the look on Vaz face when he was traded, but we didn’t see the look on the faces in the clubhouse, but with the way the team has played you didn’t have to. Some didn’t think Vaz was a good enough C, but I think his clutch bat is missed, and has not been replaced with these 2 backup C they are playing.

[illinoisredsox]

We get it you don’t like Bogey, and your team leader comments, and just because he’s the unnamed Capt, and leader in the clubhouse does not mean he can’t scuffle at the plate, which he has certainly done the 2nd half of the year, so I’ll agree with you, and let’s get rid of ALL our leaders, who have all sucked in Bogey, Bloom, and Cora.

 

I guess moon forgot to make his post in the sarcasm font.

[Elktonnick]

I have talked about the Fantasy month of June that some on here bought into many times. We all saw the look on Vaz face when he was traded, but we didn’t see the look on the faces in the clubhouse, but with the way the team has played you didn’t have to. Some didn’t think Vaz was a good enough C, but I think his clutch bat is missed, and has not been replaced with these 2 backup C they are playing.

The Vaz trade just another example of Bloom making the club weaker. And the players know it.

[Old Red]

Here is something we should all be able to agree to. HAPPY BIRTHDAY YAZ!

[Old Red]

Of course they are...

 

I’m not, and have said since early in the season this team came out of the game lifeless, and listless, and except for the month of June when they were playing the Bad, Bad West, and a few brief moments here, and there it has been s*** Show, and Clown Show.

[moonslav59]

I guess moon forgot to make his post in the sarcasm font.

 

We keep hearing, "last year's stats don't count- only this year," yet Bogey is still being praised. BTW, I'm not trying to bash Bogey. I hope we can bring him back, but I think I'm not the only one picking and choosing who to pick on and who to defend when thinking they are being picked on, too much.

 

Our leaders have not been leading to well, this year- before and after the deadline that took away the irreplaceable Vaz.

[moonslav59]

I guess moon forgot to make his post in the sarcasm font.

 

I didn't forget!

 

[Old Red]

We keep hearing, "last year's stats don't count- only this year," yet Bogey is still being praised. BTW, I'm not trying to bash Bogey. I hope we can bring him back, but I think I'm not the only one picking and choosing who to pick on and who to defend when thinking they are being picked on, too much.

 

Our leaders have not been leading to well, this year- before and after the deadline that took away the irreplaceable Vaz.

Once again I agree with you 100% that our leaders Bloom, and Cora have not been leading well, and I have said Bogey as well, so let’s just get rid of them all.

[Old Red]

I didn't forget!

 

 

You didn’t Fool some on here, and never will.

[moonslav59]

The Vaz trade just another example of Bloom making the club weaker. And the players know it.

 

But why only mention the bad ones, although the Vaz trade may end up being a winner beyond the 2 months we missed during a lost season?

 

Pham- plus

McGuire- plus, even if just by subtracting Diekman and his contract for '22 and '23.

Hosmer- jury out

 

Last winter:

JBJ- Horrific

Diekman signing- Horrific (see trade above)

Story- so far, pretty bad, thanks in most part to his injury.

Hill signing- meh

Strahm signing- okay to good

Refsnyder addition- big plus

Schreiber addition- big plus

Wacha- our clear ace for $7M

 

When you say "just another," it implies most moves have been bad. At worst, Bloom's winter moves have been 50-50.

[Old Red]

But why only mention the bad ones, although the Vaz trade may end up being a winner beyond the 2 months we missed during a lost season?

 

Pham- plus

McGuire- plus, even if just by subtracting Diekman and his contract for '22 and '23.

Hosmer- jury out

 

Last winter:

JBJ- Horrific

Diekman signing- Horrific (see trade above)

Story- so far, pretty bad, thanks in most part to his injury.

Hill signing- meh

Strahm signing- okay to good

Refsnyder addition- big plus

Schreiber addition- big plus

Wacha- our clear ace for $7M

 

When you say "just another," it implies most moves have been bad. At worst, Bloom's winter moves have been 50-50.

You just don’t get the fact that the players in that clubhouse at the moment don’t give a s*** about the beyond 2 month thing, and only care about what’s going on at the moment. The beyond the 2 month thing is only for the posters who think Bloom has this master plan, and the team might get better in 2023, 2024, or 2025.

[sk7326]

This is basically right. Hosmer is a plus because he is a breathing, sentient MLB caliber 1B, even if he is not good.

 

The die rolls he took in the offseason were fine mostly. The Story signing could be good next year. But this year it has been injuries and a general lack of producing anything BUT homeruns. Even if he was not expected to be an on-base machine, whatever you expected of him, .298 is below that.

 

It has been existing guys getting hurt or playing below par, though the "below par" bit would have been fine if they got even C/C- level production at 1B and RF. I am actually optimistic about next year - but the team has some big decisions.

[JDavis76]

But why only mention the bad ones, although the Vaz trade may end up being a winner beyond the 2 months we missed during a lost season?

 

Pham- plus

McGuire- plus, even if just by subtracting Diekman and his contract for '22 and '23.

Hosmer- jury out

 

Last winter:

JBJ- Horrific

Diekman signing- Horrific (see trade above)

Story- so far, pretty bad, thanks in most part to his injury.

Hill signing- meh

Strahm signing- okay to good

Refsnyder addition- big plus

Schreiber addition- big plus

Wacha- our clear ace for $7M

 

When you say "just another," it implies most moves have been bad. At worst, Bloom's winter moves have been 50-50.

 

So, which is it, flip flopper?

 

Is it a lost season or is it "one game at a time"?

[Old Red]

So, which is it, flip flopper?

 

Is it a lost season or is it "one game at a time"?

 

Flip a coin, and then flip it again. Kind of like Bloom does.

[JDavis76]

Flip a coin, and then flip it again. Kind of like Bloom does.

 

Thumbs up!

[dgalehouse]

I think if they brought in an impartial, outside consultant here, his conclusion would be, " Who in the hell is in charge of this? " " Who is the head of baseball operations? "

[moonslav59]

I think if they brought in an impartial, outside consultant here, his conclusion would be, " Who in the hell is in charge of this? " " Who is the head of baseball operations? "

 

Depends what you ask the guy to look for.

 

If the priority given to the head of baseball operations was to greatly improve the farm while getting a better handle on the ongoing budget, what would the determination be?

 

If you asked who is most responsible for the mess of 2022, one might come up with the name DD, but surely Bloom, Cora and the team leaders and veteran players would be mentioned significantly, too.

[dgalehouse]

Depends what you ask the guy to look for.

 

If the priority given to the head of baseball operations was to greatly improve the farm while getting a better handle on the ongoing budget, what would the determination be?

 

If you asked who is most responsible for the mess of 2022, one might come up with the name DD, but surely Bloom, Cora and the team leaders and veteran players would be mentioned significantly, too.

 

Bloom is the guy in charge right now . And this is his third year . You can throw everyone else under the bus if you want , including players who have helped win titles , but it still comes down to the head of operations. I still don't think he will be fired , but it would be understandable if he was.

[Elktonnick]

Bloom is the guy in charge right now . And this is his third year . You can throw everyone else under the bus if you want , including players who have helped win titles , but it still comes down to the head of operations. I still don't think he will be fired , but it would be understandable if he was.

 

This club in 21 was two games from the world series. A reasonable fan and player was justified in thinking the head of baseball operations would plan to actually improve the club in 22. Instead Bloom weakened that club.

 

Both fans and players are justified in thinking that Bloom let them down. Some players may actually feel betrayed by Bloom especially if Bloom had led them to believe he actually intended to produce a competitive team in 22.

 

If Bloom intended to concentrate on rebuilding the farm system he was not successful by his own terms .

He failed to stay below the lux tax and going from 24 to 19 in farm systems is hardly a ringing achievement.

 

It should be obvious to ownership that the club's future in more uncertain now then it was after the 21 season. Over the lux tax, seeing once vaunted prospects such as Duran and Downs stumble, and having probably alienated Bogaerts and possibly Devers too why should Henry trust Bloom to get the club out of the mess he created.

 

How long will ownership stay with Chaim? I don't see anyone in Beantown rushing to his defense except a couple of diehards on this board, none of whom currently live in Boston.

[Bellhorn04]

It should be obvious to ownership that the club's future in more uncertain now then it was after the 21 season. Over the lux tax, seeing once vaunted prospects such as Duran and Downs stumble, and having probably alienated Bogaerts and possibly Devers too why should Henry trust Bloom to get the club out of the mess he created.

 

You're way over-reaching with some of this stuff.

 

Lux tax? We've got a pile of money coming off the books. The only big money contract Bloom has added is Story.

Duran? He was a 7th round draft pick by DD. It's not all that surprising he hasn't worked out.

Downs? Just another over-hyped prospect.

Unhappy Bogey and Devers? Henry is the guy who has the final word on extension offers of this magnitude.

[moonslav59]

Bloom is the guy in charge right now . And this is his third year . You can throw everyone else under the bus if you want , including players who have helped win titles , but it still comes down to the head of operations. I still don't think he will be fired , but it would be understandable if he was.

 

He's done what the boss asked him to do. He rebuilt the farm to better than expected. He helped fix the budget, in terms of lessening deadwood.

 

The priority of keeping us looking competitive in the meantime: he's 1 for 2. 2021 a bit better than hoped for/ 2022 quite a bit worse than hoped for.

 

If the owner fires him, he should acknowledge he messed up the priorities.

[Bellhorn04]

He's done what the boss asked him to do. He rebuilt the farm to better than expected. He helped fix the budget, in terms of lessening deadwood.

 

The priority of keeping us looking competitive in the meantime: he's 1 for 2. 2021 a bit better than hoped for/ 2022 quite a bit worse than hoped for.

 

If the owner fires him, he should acknowledge he messed up the priorities.

 

If JH fires Bloom now, he would look like the most impatient jackass owner in baseball in a long time.

 

It's just not happening.

[dgalehouse]

Duran , Downs and Dalbec have disappointed. Maybe Bello also. Casas has still not been promoted. Still , they should be given an extended look. How is it building a sustainable winner by bringing in back side of thirty guys like Refsnyder , Pham , Hosmer and Betances ? I just can't see what the plan is here?

[Elktonnick]

You're way over-reaching with some of this stuff.

 

Lux tax? We've got a pile of money coming off the books. The only big money contract Bloom has added is Story.

Duran? He was a 7th round draft pick by DD. It's not all that surprising he hasn't worked out.

Downs? Just another over-hyped prospect.

Unhappy Bogey and Devers? Henry is the guy who has the final word on extension offers of this magnitude.

With the lux tax it is not the money its the draft picks.

The farm still basically sucks. There is no real help coming from there next year. Those who think otherwise are kidding themselves.

Whether it's Henry or Bloom is immaterial. Bogaerts and Devers are a headache according to Pedro. The meaning is clear. Pedro thinks there is no clear road ahead. Pedro talks to these guys.

The bottom line the club was a clear contender at the end of 21 now it is not.. Nor does it look good in 23 or 24.

Bloom has no plan. His apologists continue to delude themselves.

[Old Red]

He's done what the boss asked him to do. He rebuilt the farm to better than expected. He helped fix the budget, in terms of lessening deadwood.

 

The priority of keeping us looking competitive in the meantime: he's 1 for 2. 2021 a bit better than hoped for/ 2022 quite a bit worse than hoped for.

 

If the owner fires him, he should acknowledge he messed up the priorities.

 

Going up in the Farm system rankings does not mean the Big club will be better, because of it, and the Big club being good, or getting better is what’s most important. I keep hearing Bloom has rebuilt the farm, but where is the results for the Big league club? The farm had to be used heavy this year, but how many of them were Bloom people?

Edited August 22, 2022 by Old Red

[Old Red]

With the lux tax it is not the money its the draft picks.

The farm still basically sucks. There is no real help coming from there next year. Those who think otherwise are kidding themselves.

Whether it's Henry or Bloom is immaterial. Bogaerts and Devers are a headache according to Pedro. The meaning is clear. Pedro thinks there is no clear road ahead. Pedro talks to these guys.

The bottom line the club was a clear contender at the end of 21 now it is not.. Nor does it look good in 23 or 24.

Bloom has no plan. His apologists continue to delude themselves.

 

Some of the posters on here I think are more giddy over the farm boys then they are of the big league club. Casas has not yet produced in a Red Sox uniform, and no one knows for sure if, and how much he will, and the same with Mayer. I think to much speculation has been made on the farm, and the possible success for 2023, 2024, or 2025.