Fire Bloom .

[JDavis76]

It’s not an excuse it’s a reality. The Sox had over $100 million per annum on the DL. More than any other team in MLB. Blame that on whoever you want, but no one can deny that the Sox have had worse injury luck than any other team this year.

 

FWIW the Sox wouldn’t be last in any other division in MLB.

 

The Yanks have been decimated in recent years by injuries.

 

In that time they were not a sub .500 team in last place more than halfway through the season.

 

No excuse with a $200M payroll.

[Hugh2]

The Yanks have been decimated in recent years by injuries.

 

In that time they were not a sub .500 team in last place more than halfway through the season.

 

No excuse with a $200M payroll.

 

Did they ever lose more than 1/2 their rotation, a starting CF, 2nd middle of the order bat at the same time? Did they have over 100 million in payroll on the DL? And did they win the World Series any of those years?

 

FTR we are not a sub .500 team, we are a .500 team. If we win tonight we will be above a .500 team. With an unprecedented number of key injuries.

[Hugh2]

How many teams could lose almost their entire rotation and still compete?

[Old Red]

Name game? Did I call you a name? Read my comment again.

 

I also noticed how you couldn’t answer a simple question.

 

I didn’t say you did call me a name, but I don’t believe anyone said Bloom is dumb either. Just, because I say he’s in over his head in Boston I don’t think he’s dumb. Isn’t he a Yale guy?

[JDavis76]

Did they ever lose more than 1/2 their rotation, a starting CF, 2nd middle of the order bat at the same time? Did they have over 100 million in payroll on the DL? And did they win the World Series any of those years?

 

FTR we are not a sub .500 team, we are a .500 team. If we win tonight we will be above a .500 team. With an unprecedented number of key injuries.

 

Hardly "unprecedented". The Yanks have certainly had $100M sidelined with injuries.

 

And who said anything about winning the WS with all those injuries? I was saying they should at least remain competitive.

 

And you were certainly a sub .500 more than halfway through the season, last night notwithstanding.

Edited August 18, 2022 by JDavis76

[Old Red]

Did they ever lose more than 1/2 their rotation, a starting CF, 2nd middle of the order bat at the same time? Did they have over 100 million in payroll on the DL? And did they win the World Series any of those years?

 

FTR we are not a sub .500 team, we are a .500 team. If we win tonight we will be above a .500 team. With an unprecedented number of key injuries.

 

I think the rotation held up pretty good with the Worcester pitching staff. All you say is right, but I believe all what I say is right too. No one is changing anyones opinion, so I’m over, and out.

[MADSTORK]

I didn’t say you did call me a name, but I don’t believe anyone said Bloom is dumb either. Just, because I say he’s in over his head in Boston I don’t think he’s dumb. Isn’t he a Yale guy?

 

Dumb is to kind!

[Old Red]

How many teams could lose almost their entire rotation and still compete?

 

You are trying to blame all the problems on the starting rotation, and there were a lot more problems then that.

[Hugh2]

You are trying to blame all the problems on the starting rotation, and there were a lot more problems then that.

 

No I’m not, I literally never said “all the problems are on the starting rotation” I explicitly laid out position players who have been injured as well.

 

But again, you fail to address that point, and answer my other question about major trades happening in May and early June. These are all facts, you can still assign some blame to bloom it’s a feee country. But you can’t deny the facts.

 

When do major trades happen in May?

How many other teams in MLB history have had over 100 million on the DL and reached the playoffs?

[Hugh2]

Hardly "unprecedented". The Yanks have certainly had $100M sidelined with injuries.

 

And who said anything about winning the WS with all those injuries? I was saying they should at least remain competitive.

 

And you were certainly a sub .500 more than halfway through the season, last night notwithstanding.

 

When?

 

When did the Yankees have over $100 million on the DL and remained competitive

[Bellhorn04]

Dumb is to kind!

 

Ha ha...this from a guy who can't even spell "too". Priceless indeed.

[moonslav59]

No I’m not, I literally never said “all the problems are on the starting rotation” I explicitly laid out position players who have been injured as well.

 

But again, you fail to address that point, and answer my other question about major trades happening in May and early June. These are all facts, you can still assign some blame to bloom it’s a feee country. But you can’t deny the facts.

 

When do major trades happen in May?

How many other teams in MLB history have had over 100 million on the DL and reached the playoffs?

 

If you take away player benefits and Price's contract, that $100M is close to half of our player salary budget, and most were all out at the same time.

 

Virtually no significant trades are ever done in May, and very few are done in June. It's easy to just say, Bloom should have traded for a 1Bman after Casas got hurt and once we realized Kike had his first setback, but doing it is another story.

 

This reminds me of posters saying, "We should have gotten more for Betts." It's a point that makes sense, in theory, but the reality is, what was offered. The other reported offer was no better. The whole Price part of the deal is pushed off to the side, like it didn't matter in the trade return or the resulting budget and make up of the roster had he not been included.

 

Often, it seems, context is not a consideration.

 

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[JDavis76]

When?

 

When did the Yankees have over $100 million on the DL and remained competitive

 

Heck, they have over $70M on the DL right now.....

[moonslav59]

When?

 

When did the Yankees have over $100 million on the DL and remained competitive

 

Maybe 2019?

 

Edited August 18, 2022 by moonslav59

[Hugh2]

If you take away player benefits and Price's contract, that $100M is close to half of our player salary budget, and most were all out at the same time.

 

Virtually no significant trades are ever done in May, and very few are done in June. It's easy to just say, Bloom should have traded for a 1Bman after Casas got hurt and once we realized Kike had his first setback, but doing it is another story.

 

This reminds me of posters saying, "We should have gotten more for Betts." It's a point that makes sense, in theory, but the reality is, what was offered. The other reported offer was no better. The whole Price part of the deal is pushed off to the side, like it didn't matter in the trade return or the resulting budget and make up of the roster had he not been included.

 

Often, it seems, context is not a consideration.

 

.

 

You would think any fan would pause at that an day, huh…how come major trades aren’t made earlier?

 

It’s not like some teams are doing it and other aren’t but rather it simply doesn’t happen. You would think there’s a reason for that, even if you couldn’t under why it would be basic human instinct to recognize that pattern.

 

When people hate someone, they will find any reason to criticize and critique them. Just because we see the fallacy in their arguments and the absurdity of it all doesn’t mean we think Bloom is perfect or should t come without criticism. But then again….only Sith deal with absolutes.

[JDavis76]

When?

 

When did the Yankees have over $100 million on the DL and remained competitive

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/yankees-set-mlb-record-for-most-injured-players-in-a-single-season-as-gio-urshela-hits-il/

[Hugh2]

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/yankees-set-mlb-record-for-most-injured-players-in-a-single-season-as-gio-urshela-hits-il/

 

Was that over 100 million?

[Hugh2]

The greater argument is injury Impacts record. More injuries, and better players effect it more.

 

If you think you can lose your ACE, lose a lead off hitter, or lose a middle of the order bat and be fine, then work that in reverse. Why do you need to acquire those guys? Seriously no point in getting a RF/CF this off-season let’s just get a bunch of back ups. Starting pitching???? Excuses we got plenty of guys in AAA who can start? Extend Bogaerts? Blahhhh just thrown downs in there.

[dgalehouse]

I get a laugh when folks keep complaining that we are getting nothing from David Price . HE WAS TRADED ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO . How in the world are we supposed to be getting anything from him ?

[moonslav59]

You would think any fan would pause at that an day, huh…how come major trades aren’t made earlier?

 

It’s not like some teams are doing it and other aren’t but rather it simply doesn’t happen. You would think there’s a reason for that, even if you couldn’t under why it would be basic human instinct to recognize that pattern.

 

When people hate someone, they will find any reason to criticize and critique them. Just because we see the fallacy in their arguments and the absurdity of it all doesn’t mean we think Bloom is perfect or should t come without criticism. But then again….only Sith deal with absolutes.

 

Then, they don't admit they hate of have any disdain, despite a continued pattern of bashing on virtually every front. When they mention bad trades, they never even offer a balancing comment that some trades have worked well, and others are still not complete enough to judge, finally. They minimize the Whitlock addition as "luck." They hardly mention the Schreiber, refsnyder and Arroyo pick-ups that were pretty much for free. They bash the renfroe trade without mentioning that Bloom got him for a steal of $3.1M the prior winter. They mention the Beni trade, which one side of the trade ends in less than 2 months, and the other looks much more promising than before. They never mention us getting German for Ottavino's salary dump, or they say, "He hasn't pitched in the majors, yet. Well, neither has the cash we gave up for him.) The Wacha signing looks very good. The Strahm one did, until he got hurt. Maybe the Hill signing will end up a plus. The Story signing isn't even 1/6th done, and it's already a bust, seemingly by some.

 

Yes, the JBJ traded sucked. I agreed from day one, but even that trade brought us prospects that may balance or nearly balance it, later.

 

It's about context and the total picture, but some can't seem to see the forest through the trees.

 

Yes, we are at .500 with a $225M player budget. Once can oversimplify, or one can be a simpleton- sometimes both.

 

 

 

[JDavis76]

Was that over 100 million?

 

I did a quick tally of the names that came to mind and I would say so, if not real close.

 

Bottom line is that they remained competitive while truly having unprecedented injuries.

[moonslav59]

I get a laugh when folks keep complaining that we are getting nothing from David Price . HE WAS TRADED ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO . How in the world are we supposed to be getting anything from him ?

 

You really don't get the point being made?

 

It's the $16M on a restricted budget that makes a difference, in theory anyway.

[Hugh2]

I did a quick tally of the names that came to mind and I would say so, if not real close.

 

Bottom line is that they remained competitive while truly having unprecedented injuries.

 

So there’s one. So it’s possible. Now, is that the norm? Or would you say teams that sustain significant injuries have a harder time competing? And last time I checked the Sox aren’t out of the wild card race so, while we’re not the 2019 Yankees, we are competitive

[Hugh2]

It’s also worth noting many key players who have remained healthy have underperformed as well

[dgalehouse]

You really don't get the point being made?

 

It's the $16M on a restricted budget that makes a difference, in theory anyway.

 

Of course I get the point . But the point is ridiculous . If I sell my car and still owe payments on it , I have to make those payments . But I can't drive the car . The Sox traded Price ( along with some other guy ) and agreed to still pay half his salary . So don't complain that he is not pitching for you . You did it . Live with it.

[Old Red]

No I’m not, I literally never said “all the problems are on the starting rotation” I explicitly laid out position players who have been injured as well.

 

But again, you fail to address that point, and answer my other question about major trades happening in May and early June. These are all facts, you can still assign some blame to bloom it’s a feee country. But you can’t deny the facts.

 

When do major trades happen in May?

How many other teams in MLB history have had over 100 million on the DL and reached the playoffs?

 

Exaggeration 101. Who said anything about a major trade? Was Pham a major trade? No, and he could have been had back in March, but Bloom couldn’t pull the trigger. Was Hosmer a major trade? No, and was he the only one out there that couldn’t have been had in June. You know an actual 1B who could catch a pop up. Instead Bloom sat, and watched the Franchy Clown Show, and the Sox lose games, because of it. What a joke.

[Old Red]

It’s also worth noting many key players who have remained healthy have underperformed as well

 

And that is a better argument to be had.

[JDavis76]

So there’s one. So it’s possible. Now, is that the norm? Or would you say teams that sustain significant injuries have a harder time competing? And last time I checked the Sox aren’t out of the wild card race so, while we’re not the 2019 Yankees, we are competitive

 

That was just the most injured Yankee team of the bunch. Over the last 10yrs, the Yanks have had several seasons that were injury ridden. Heck, even moon harps on how injury prone the Yanks are because of the "hulks" that they sign. The Yanks have basically been competitive that whole time. I could be wrong, but I don't remember them being under .500 and in last place this late in the season that whole time.

[Hugh2]

That was just the most injured Yankee team of the bunch. Over the last 10yrs, the Yanks have had several seasons that were injury ridden. Heck, even moon harps on how injury prone the Yanks are because of the "hulks" that they sign. The Yanks have basically been competitive that whole time. I could be wrong, but I don't remember them being under .500 and in last place this late in the season that whole time.

 

So should we strive to be more like the Yankees?

 

Would you say they’ve been more or less successful than the Red Sox I’m the John Henry era?

[Bellhorn04]

Of course I get the point . But the point is ridiculous . If I sell my car and still owe payments on it , I have to make those payments . But I can't drive the car . The Sox traded Price ( along with some other guy ) and agreed to still pay half his salary . So don't complain that he is not pitching for you . You did it . Live with it.

 

Kind of leaving out that it was Dombrowski's contract, and Price was virtually toast.