Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

You did agree to them when first used.

 

Here’s the thing - your whole mantra lately comes across as “there are people who don’t share my view of being a fan and therefore these people are stupid sheep.” This has been pointed out repeatedly and you have been persistent for weeks regardless.

 

Personally, I don’t think that’s what you want to say, but it is what myself (and apparently others to some degree) are reading. So rather than persisting with your Bloom Appreciation Society rhetoric that keeps generating these same responses, why not another approach? Expecting the world to change to meet the message won’t happen for any of us…

 

Playing the name game as usual.Stupid Sheep. It’s always someone else’s fault that you have to respond. Some more than others on here just don’t like other opinions. I’ve been on many message boards, and forums through the years, and I’ve not seen anything like this. When I first come on here last year, and made a simple comment that I wouldn’t have hired Cora back, because of him leading the cheating scandal, which I thought was way over the top, and Moon jumped to his conclusion that, because I said that I HATED Cora. 100% not true, but that is what he jumped to, and those kind of things have happened many times on here to over analyze, and come to the wrong conclusion.

[moonslav59]

We had a poll here on how Bloom is doing. 2 people voted great, 7 voted OK and 4 voted terrible. Yet you persist with this delusion that the board is overrun with blind Bloom followers.

 

Frankly I think it just makes things more fun for you here to keep talking about these blind followers that don't actually exist.

 

Those that are defending Bloom against the near constant bashing are not saying they are happy with everything he's done and the last place standing of the Sox, this year. Not a singler poster here is "blindly" supporting everything Bloom does. I don't even see a 75 percenter.

 

Some take a longer look and use context more than others. That doesn't make them better or smarter Sox fans- just different from those who only look at the team's current record or trend.

 

Just about any point someone brings up will get push back or blow back- pro or con to Bloom. Some might try to justify the thinking at the time of the deal as a way to explain why that choice was made. That doesn't mean they are defending the deal as being a good one. It is easy to judge in hindsight, and yes, we fully realize many of Bloom's moves were criticized at the time they were made, too.

 

I'm think I'm included among what some call a blind or Bloom loyalist, but I hated the JBJ trade when made, and said so. I hated the Diekman signing and said so. I initially scratched my head at the Story signing and decision to play him at 2B not SS. I'm not sure how that fits into the blind loyalty narrative, but maybe there is a strawman out there that has been more "loyal" than I.

 

[notin]

Playing the name game as usual.Stupid Sheep. It’s always someone else’s fault that you have to respond. Some more than others on here just don’t like other opinions. I’ve been on many message boards, and forums through the years, and I’ve not seen anything like this. When I first come on here last year, and made a simple comment that I wouldn’t have hired Cora back, because of him leading the cheating scandal, which I thought was way over the top, and Moon jumped to his conclusion that, because I said that I HATED Cora. 100% not true, but that is what he jumped to, and those kind of things have happened many times on here to over analyze, and come to the wrong conclusion.

 

There’s a big difference between “I don’t like how Bloom runs this team” and “I don’t think other forum members should like how Bloom runs this team.” That also applies to your Cora example.

 

As for “stupid sheep”, while I didn’t attribute that to anyone, it is how I read those posts. However, I also stated I didn’t think that was his intention and suggested finding another way to get the point across. And as I get the impression I am not alone in seeing his posts as derogatory, then it is clearly not the reader(s) who are at fault. One person misunderstand you? That could be on the recipient. Multiple people do? That’s on the messenger.

 

And there have been times when it’s been pointed out to me I am the one recipient misunderstanding things. I have no problem acknowledging that…

[moonslav59]

There’s a big difference between “I don’t like how Bloom runs this team” and “I don’t think other forum members should like how Bloom runs this team.” That also applies to your Cora example.

 

As for “stupid sheep”, while I didn’t attribute that to anyone, it is how I read those posts. However, I also stated I didn’t think that was his intention and suggested finding another way to get the point across. And as I get the impression I am not alone in seeing his posts as derogatory, then it is clearly not the reader(s) who are at fault. One person misunderstand you? That could be on the recipient. Multiple people do? That’s on the messenger.

 

And there have been times when it’s been pointed out to me I am the one recipient misunderstanding things. I have no problem acknowledging that…

 

There are plenty of example by some Bloom bashers that labels a group of those who tend to defend some Bloom moves as extreme loyalist. I think the analogy "stupid sheep" fits the bill on their viewpoints (some not all).

 

Misunderstandings are part of life, but sometimes just trying to get a better understanding by asking pointed questions is met with anger or disdain. I'm not pointing fingers, as I know I have done that, often, too. Making assumptions, jumping to conclusions and reading more into statements than what was there or intended to be there is often the main trigger points on this site and not really the point being made.

[Old Red]

There’s a big difference between “I don’t like how Bloom runs this team” and “I don’t think other forum members should like how Bloom runs this team.” That also applies to your Cora example.

 

As for “stupid sheep”, while I didn’t attribute that to anyone, it is how I read those posts. However, I also stated I didn’t think that was his intention and suggested finding another way to get the point across. And as I get the impression I am not alone in seeing his posts as derogatory, then it is clearly not the reader(s) who are at fault. One person misunderstand you? That could be on the recipient. Multiple people do? That’s on the messenger.

 

And there have been times when it’s been pointed out to me I am the one recipient misunderstanding things. I have no problem acknowledging that…

 

Me saying I wouldn’t have hired Cora back, and someone saying I HATED Cora was not a misunderstanding, but a jump to conclusion, and over analyzing,Which happens often on here. As much as I get on Bloom on here I don’t hate him either. I just don’t like his way of doing things.

[Bellhorn04]

For the arguments that "Red Sox Nation" as a whole has possibly different opinions than a majority of this generally well informed and rational thread, just try reading some of the most idiotic comments on the Sox as a whole, Cora, Bloom and the players on the numerous Red Sox posts on Facebook . The overall universe of most marginal sports followers are supremely reactive and ignorant of any logical processes in business or baseball talent. It is depressing to think that these folks have even the first clue about what they see.

 

Our current group on TalkSox , with a variety of opinions, is far more informative and useful in considering the management and performance of this team.. All of you, keep it up and express whatever you think. It all adds to the fabric of being a Red Sox fan.

 

Amen.

[notin]

Me saying I wouldn’t have hired Cora back, and someone saying I HATED Cora was not a misunderstanding, but a jump to conclusion, and over analyzing,Which happens often on here. As much as I get on Bloom on here I don’t hate him either. I just don’t like his way of doing things.

 

Well that’s the exact behavior I’m calling out. I would hope none of us hate either of those gentlemen most if not all of us have never met. And probably never will.

 

I don’t like all of Bloom’s moves, but I like the overall strategy. And if/when it works out, it should make for an enjoyable time for Sox fans. But his road there? Some question marks of varying sizes. But to me anyway, not the Renfroe trade.

 

And for Cora, I’m surprised he got another opportunity. Cora and Hinch survived that scandal (if you consider Hinch’s current job as Tigers’ manager to be survival and not comeuppance) while Beltran and Luhnow have been out of baseball since. So really, Cora got the least punishment - one 60 game season off..,

[Old Red]

Well that’s the exact behavior I’m calling out. I would hope none of us hate either of those gentlemen most if not all of us have never met. And probably never will.

 

I don’t like all of Bloom’s moves, but I like the overall strategy. And if/when it works out, it should make for an enjoyable time for Sox fans. But his road there? Some question marks of varying sizes. But to me anyway, not the Renfroe trade.

 

And for Cora, I’m surprised he got another opportunity. Cora and Hinch survived that scandal (if you consider Hinch’s current job as Tigers’ manager to be survival and not comeuppance) while Beltran and Luhnow have been out of baseball since. So really, Cora got the least punishment - one 60 game season off..,

I agree with this, and Cora was lucky JH liked him.

[jad]

Martinez? Well, he may be in an extended slump, but his numbers this year are still better than Story's, better than Verdugo's, better than Pham or what's the Northern exposure guy's name? Of course, not as good as Betts, and about the same as Vasquez.

[dgalehouse]

Here is how I see it with Bloom. In 2020 he took over the reins of a fabled MLB franchise , with one of the most passionate and rabid fan bases in all of sports. Some applauded the hiring . Some , including me , were skeptical. One of his first moves was to trade the best and one of the most popular Sox players in years . An almost sure bet for Cooperstown . He got back a rather mediocre return on the trade . It was seen , and rightly so , as strictly a cost cutting measure. The team then proceeded to tank and finish in the cellar . No matter how you slice it , this is not a good way to start your tenure . In year two , there was improvement and it was hoped that the team was back on track. Now in year three , the team has again struggled and again is in the cellar, with only a faint hope of making a run at even the third wild card . There are still a few who like what Bloom is doing and subscribe to his plan for building " sustained excellence ". But much of Red Sox Nation is unhappy and ready for a change. In the end , it is up to John Henry . My guess is that , since he apparently wanted to go in this direction , he will continue to be patient and stick with Bloom for at least one more year . I just hope they recognize the problem areas and do what it takes to improve them .

[Old Red]

Here is how I see it with Bloom. In 2020 he took over the reins of a fabled MLB franchise , with one of the most passionate and rabid fan bases in all of sports. Some applauded the hiring . Some , including me , were skeptical. One of his first moves was to trade the best and one of the most popular Sox players in years . An almost sure bet for Cooperstown . He got back a rather mediocre return on the trade . It was seen , and rightly so , as strictly a cost cutting measure. The team then proceeded to tank and finish in the cellar . No matter how you slice it , this is not a good way to start your tenure . In year two , there was improvement and it was hoped that the team was back on track. Now in year three , the team has again struggled and again is in the cellar, with only a faint hope of making a run at even the third wild card . There are still a few who like what Bloom is doing and subscribe to his plan for building " sustained excellence ". But much of Red Sox Nation is unhappy and ready for a change. In the end , it is up to John Henry . My guess is that , since he apparently wanted to go in this direction , he will continue to be patient and stick with Bloom for at least one more year . I just hope they recognize the problem areas and do what it takes to improve them .

 

I don’t think JH likes seeing the Red Sox in last place, and hearing, and reading all the negative press.

[dgalehouse]

I don’t think JH likes seeing the Red Sox in last place, and hearing, and reading all the negative press.

 

I don't know . He has not been seen or heard from too much lately.

[Old Red]

I don't know . He has not been seen or heard from too much lately.

 

He does have a lot of other interest.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't know . He has not been seen or heard from too much lately.

 

He was never heard from much, really.

[Elktonnick]

He was never heard from much, really.

JH has other fish to fry

[Bellhorn04]

JH has other fish to fry

 

As I say, he was never heard from much. He's not exactly a loquacious guy. You won't find him in any lists of great baseball quotes.

[Old Red]

As I say, he was never heard from much. He's not exactly a loquacious guy. You won't find him in any lists of great baseball quotes.

 

When he dropped in on the Felger, and Mass show years back he made it clear that Larry L ran the Red Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

When he dropped in on the Felger, and Mass show years back he made it clear that Larry L ran the Red Sox.

 

Right. That was one of his rare surfacings.

 

Sam Kennedy is the team spokesman since Lucchino left, I'd say.

[Old Red]

Right. That was one of his rare surfacings.

 

Sam Kennedy is the team spokesman since Lucchino left, I'd say.

 

True enough.

[Elktonnick]

As I say, he was never heard from much. He's not exactly a loquacious guy. You won't find him in any lists of great baseball quotes.

 

Actually JH has been quite talkative recently. On July 13, 2022 NBC Sports Boston he was quoted as saying"It takes two to make a deal" He said more regarding signing and letting go of certain players. His remarks were quite interesting.

[vegasbob]

When he dropped in on the Felger, and Mass show years back he made it clear that Larry L ran the Red Sox.

 

Much to the players and fans regret. Lucchino was a loser and a prick, both

[Elktonnick]

Much to the players and fans regret. Lucchino was a loser and a prick, both

Lucchino may have been an SOB but is hardly a loser

He is largely responsible for Camden Yards and the beautiful ballpark in San Diego. He also was highly instrumental in the revitalization of Fenway Park.

[notin]

Lucchino may have been an SOB but is hardly a loser

He is largely responsible for Camden Yards and the beautiful ballpark in San Diego. He also was highly instrumental in the revitalization of Fenway Park.

 

Lucchino also has multiple World Series rings (with the Orioles and Red Sox), a Super Bowl ring (with the Washington Redskins) and a Final Four Watch (from his playing days at Princeton). He is quite possibly the only human to have all of these.

 

He might not have been the most personable human being, but he was definitively not a loser.

 

He was also on the BOD for the Special Olympics and extremely philanthropic towards Dana-Farber and the Jimmy Fund. Why do people hate this guy so much?

[Elktonnick]

Lucchino also has multiple World Series rings (with the Orioles and Red Sox), a Super Bowl ring (with the Washington Redskins) and a Final Four Watch (from his playing days at Princeton). He is quite possibly the only human to have all of these.

 

He might not have been the most personable human being, but he was definitively not a loser.

 

He was also on the BOD for the Special Olympics and extremely philanthropic towards Dana-Farber and the Jimmy Fund. Why do people hate this guy so much?

IMO It stems from the Theo Epstein days.

[dgalehouse]

Lucchino also has multiple World Series rings (with the Orioles and Red Sox), a Super Bowl ring (with the Washington Redskins) and a Final Four Watch (from his playing days at Princeton). He is quite possibly the only human to have all of these.

 

He might not have been the most personable human being, but he was definitively not a loser.

 

He was also on the BOD for the Special Olympics and extremely philanthropic towards Dana-Farber and the Jimmy Fund. Why do people hate this guy so much?

 

It's a sad fact of life. People love to hate.

[vegasbob]

Lucchino may have been an SOB but is hardly a loser

He is largely responsible for Camden Yards and the beautiful ballpark in San Diego. He also was highly instrumental in the revitalization of Fenway Park.

 

So the asswipe is a builder , not a baseball guy. Good for him. I'm both

[Elktonnick]

So the asswipe is a builder , not a baseball guy. Good for him. I'm both

He also was a baseball guy, a philanthropist, a football guy, a lawyer and one day a Hall of Famer for his vision of inner city baseball parks that may have saved the game.

[Elktonnick]

BTW Larry Lucchino was recently inducted into the Padres Hall of Fame. He was President and Ceo of the Orioles, Padres and Red Sox. How anyone can say a member of both the Padres and Red Sox Halls of Fame and the former President of three Major League teams is not a baseball guy is absolute nonsense and defies credulity.

[notin]

So the asswipe is a builder , not a baseball guy. Good for him. I'm both

 

He has 4 World Series rings - 1983 Orioles, 2004 Red Sox, 2007 Red Sox, and 2013 Red Sox. That’s an awful lot of hardware for someone who’s “not a baseball guy.”..

[Old Red]

Ok big win last night, and big game tonight. Get back to 500, or be 2 games under 500. 3 games back in the L column to get out of last place, and, and still 6 games back in the L column to get that last Wild Card spot. Offense outside of Arroyo, and Dugy pretty much suck, so it doesn’t look promising, but they are still in it, so 1 game at a time, and Let’s Go Sox!