Fire Bloom .

[Randy Red Sox]

The new owner can do that after he takes over. Henry is likely THRILLED with the job Bloom is doing.

It's time...Bloom fired and start anew with a different philosophy. This one is a .500 or lower nightmare

[notin]

The new owner can do that after he takes over. Henry is likely THRILLED with the job Bloom is doing.

 

You’re more likely to see Bloom get fired than Henry sell. And you’re more likely to see Cora get fired than Bloom…

[moonslav59]

You’re more likely to see Bloom get fired than Henry sell. And you’re more likely to see Cora get fired than Bloom…

 

My guess is that even if JH sells the team, the next owner will be worse.

[Bellhorn04]

You’re more likely to see Bloom get fired than Henry sell. And you’re more likely to see Cora get fired than Bloom…

 

No basis for that actually - this front office has removed the same number of GM's as *real* managers.

 

GM's

Epstein

Ben

DD

 

Real Managers (not counting Valentine or Roenicke)

Little

Francona

Farrell

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[Bellhorn04]

My guess is that even if JH sells the team, the next owner will be worse.

 

A change has to happen eventually. John is almost 74 years old.

[Bellhorn04]

I'll always appreciate what Henry has done, but his record has a lot of negatives on it now too. Bad breakups with Epstein, Francona, Cherington, Dombrowski...6 last place finishes in 12 years (#6 pending that is)...cutting loose Mookie Betts.

[notin]

No basis for that actually - this front office has removed the same number of GM's as *real* managers.

 

GM's

Epstein

Ben

DD

 

Real Managers (not counting Valentine or Roenicke)

Little

Francona

Farrell

 

 

If you’re going that way, it’s time to finally acknowledge that your GM count is off…

[Bellhorn04]

If you’re going that way, it’s time to finally acknowledge that your GM count is off…

 

I'm being penalized for not saying head of baseball operations this time?

[notin]

I'm being penalized for not saying head of baseball operations this time?

 

No. But if we’re going by actual firings, Cherington quit. DD wanted to stay him every article at the time. Everything else about that situation, while potentially true, is still speculation.

 

Also the simple way to look at it is, if the GM goes, the manager is going, too. So your 50/50 split is:

 

1. Cora gets fired

2. Bloom and Cora get fired

[Bellhorn04]

No. But if we’re going by actual firings, Cherington quit. DD wanted to stay him every article at the time. Everything else about that situation, while potentially true, is still speculation.

 

Also the simple way to look at it is, if the GM goes, the manager is going, too. So your 50/50 split is:

 

1. Cora gets fired

2. Bloom and Cora get fired

 

It ain't necessarily so. DD stayed with Ben's guy Farrell for 2 years. Bloom re-hired DD's guy Cora.

[notin]

I'll always appreciate what Henry has done, but his record has a lot of negatives on it now too. Bad breakups with Epstein, Francona, Cherington, Dombrowski...6 last place finishes in 12 years (#6 pending that is)...cutting loose Mookie Betts.

 

The thing is, it’s not a democracy; it’s a dictatorship.

 

I look at it this way - Henry has shelled out well over $1billion on my entertainment, and done so successfully. He still wants to keep me entertained, but for (much?) less money. I can let him give that a try. Four WS titles far outweigh 5 last place finishes, especially since the Sox (per your post) tend to be one of the more successful last place teams…

[Bellhorn04]

The thing is, it’s not a democracy; it’s a dictatorship.

 

I look at it this way - Henry has shelled out well over $1billion on my entertainment, and done so successfully. He still wants to keep me entertained, but for (much?) less money. I can let him give that a try. Four WS titles far outweigh 5 last place finishes, especially since the Sox (per your post) tend to be one of the more successful last place teams…

 

I don't think there's any such thing as a successful last place team.

 

I'm impressed, though, that you can still find the 2023 Sox entertaining.

 

Clown shows can be pretty entertaining, of course, if you're into that.

[Bellhorn04]

The thing is, it’s not a democracy; it’s a dictatorship.

 

I look at it this way - Henry has shelled out well over $1billion on my entertainment, and done so successfully.

 

Henry is only "shelling out" money that he gets from the customers. And he gets to keep a pile of it. It's a profitable business, not a philanthropic venture.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I've said this before, in different iterations: Hitting a baseball is hard, and fans accept that even the best batters will experience slumps. Also, throwing consistent strikes is an art, and fans accept that even the best pitchers will have off days or nights.

 

But nothing -- no aspect of baseball as a form of spectator entertainment -- turns off fans more than shoddy, erratic, piss-poor defense. Most of us acknowledge we can't catch, field or throw at a professional level... but that doesn't excuse the pros from not making the routine and even routine-difficult plays that are presented on a nightly basis. It's their job.

 

The Red Sox are last in the American League in fielding percentage and first in errors (and that doesn't even count the confused/benevolent/on-the-take? Fenway Park official scorers). It doesn't matter who is coming off the injured list or when -- this team will never truly contend as long as the defense sucks.

[notin]

I don't think there's any such thing as a successful last place team.

 

I'm impressed, though, that you can still find the 2023 Sox entertaining.

 

Clown shows can be pretty entertaining, of course, if you're into that.

 

I said “more successful”. As an accountant, I’m sure you’ve seen varying degrees of deficit…

[notin]

It ain't necessarily so. DD stayed with Ben's guy Farrell for 2 years. Bloom re-hired DD's guy Cora.

 

He re-hired him after he fired him…

[Randy Red Sox]

Not to mention he broke up a WS team in Florida too

I'll always appreciate what Henry has done, but his record has a lot of negatives on it now too. Bad breakups with Epstein, Francona, Cherington, Dombrowski...6 last place finishes in 12 years (#6 pending that is)...cutting loose Mookie Betts.

[Duran Is The Man]

The thing is, it’s not a democracy; it’s a dictatorship.

 

I look at it this way - Henry has shelled out well over $1billion on my entertainment, and done so successfully. He still wants to keep me entertained, but for (much?) less money. I can let him give that a try. Four WS titles far outweigh 5 last place finishes, especially since the Sox (per your post) tend to be one of the more successful last place teams…

 

how much money has he taken in? is he subsidizing this team out of his own pocket or is he stuffing them?

[Duran Is The Man]

I've said this before, in different iterations: Hitting a baseball is hard, and fans accept that even the best batters will experience slumps. Also, throwing consistent strikes is an art, and fans accept that even the best pitchers will have off days or nights.

 

But nothing -- no aspect of baseball as a form of spectator entertainment -- turns off fans more than shoddy, erratic, piss-poor defense. Most of us acknowledge we can't catch, field or throw at a professional level... but that doesn't excuse the pros from not making the routine and even routine-difficult plays that are presented on a nightly basis. It's their job.

 

The Red Sox are last in the American League in fielding percentage and first in errors (and that doesn't even count the confused/benevolent/on-the-take? Fenway Park official scorers). It doesn't matter who is coming off the injured list or when -- this team will never truly contend as long as the defense sucks.

 

i agree. and it's funny....someone on here recently stated that defense doesn't matter. LOLOL

[Bellhorn04]

He re-hired him after he fired him…

 

Yeah, I think the one-year suspension had something to do with it.

 

The fact he hired him back after that actually spoke well for his opinion of Cora as a manager, no?

[Bellhorn04]

how much money has he taken in? is he subsidizing this team out of his own pocket or is he stuffing them?

 

The franchise currently has an estimated market value of $4.5 billion. Henry has a massive unrealized, untaxed capital gain in his pocket.

[moonslav59]

A change has to happen eventually. John is almost 74 years old.

 

Eventually, yes, but we should not expect the next ownership group will do better than 4 rings in 20 years.

[moonslav59]

No basis for that actually - this front office has removed the same number of GM's as *real* managers.

 

GM's

Epstein

Ben

DD

 

Real Managers (not counting Valentine or Roenicke)

Little

Francona

Farrell

 

I think Valentine should count. They thought he was for real, when they signed him.

[Hugh2]

There's zero evidence Henry is going to sell the team. Obviously, some day that may happen, but that narrative is just incorrect.

[moonslav59]

There's zero evidence Henry is going to sell the team. Obviously, some day that may happen, but that narrative is just incorrect.

 

I totally agree, and just because many owners start cutting the budget or long term commitments before a sale, doesn't mean that is what Henry is doing. Besides, he just locked up Devers forevers.

[Dipre]

Henry knows you have to spend money to make money. But spending money efficiently is always better than wasting money. I think that's what they're going for.

[notin]

Henry is only "shelling out" money that he gets from the customers. And he gets to keep a pile of it. It's a profitable business, not a philanthropic venture.

 

I’m in Chicago. There’s a reason I have never once posted about high ticket prices at Fenway. They simply do not affect me. I know I’m not alone in that regard on this board.

 

And I’ve also seen numerous teams that remain profitable by intentionally not spending, producing a poor quality team, and cashing revenue-sharing money. The Sox have gotten cheaper, but not (IMO) for that reason.

[moonslav59]

Henry knows you have to spend money to make money. But spending money efficiently is always better than wasting money. I think that's what they're going for.

 

Agreed, but it's a fine line to walk, and keeping the fans is often about keeping the perception alive and well.

 

He needs to be careful not to lose too many fans, There is no guarantee they will come back, once lost.

[moonslav59]

I’m in Chicago. There’s a reason I have never once posted about high ticket prices at Fenway. They simply do not affect me. I know I’m not alone in that regard on this board.

 

And I’ve also seen numerous teams that remain profitable by intentionally not spending, producing a poor quality team, and cashing revenue-sharing money. The Sox have gotten cheaper, but not (IMO) for that reason.

 

Henry has shown he spends in cycles. This is becoming a long down cycle, but I still think he will spend big, again.

[notin]

Henry knows you have to spend money to make money. But spending money efficiently is always better than wasting money. I think that's what they're going for.

 

I think so, too.

 

The 2019 team was one of the two most expensive rosters in team history, and finished up at 84-78, and about a dozen games out of the playoffs. And just never felt competitive. I’m sure that was a big factor in how things are run today