Fire Bloom .

[dannycater]

Bloom can do no wrong. It's all good, finish 10 games under .500, all good. Keep him forever. I don't care anymore...He helped put a product out there that I don't care about the players. It's sad, but all good.

[moonslav59]

There are different kinds of stupid. I for one actually think Henry cares about the team's performance. He could sell the team and cash in any time. You think he digs getting the crap booed out of him when he goes to events?

 

Also, I'm including Bloom in this. And he's a salaried employee on a short-term contract.

 

No, and I never said or implied anything like that.

 

I think JH and Bloom honestly believed we'd be "good enough" to compete for a playoff slot- not a ring- in 2022 and 2023. (I'm not so sure about 2021.) Neither was sure of it, however.

 

I agree that JH cares about winning and hates seeing last place finishes. That's why he gave up on Ben before his "rebuild" was completed.

 

I do not think JH or Bloom have felt any team since 2019 was near championship level. They tried to give the impression we might be, and for those who feel the playoffs are a crapshoot, maybe it wasn't all "impression." (I had hopes when we went up on the Astros in the playoffs of '21, and that wasn't even a year I feel they thought we had higher hopes.)

 

To me, the real bonehead moment in the last 4 years was not staying under, last year and not selling off expiring contracts. I have said this before, but I think JH was afraid of losing too many fans by "giving up," but now he may end up losing more by forcing a reset and not getting anything for departing top talent.

 

Had we just reset, last year, we might have been able to spend $20-25M more. Instead of spending $10M on Kluber, we spend $20M on a better SP'er, and that's just $10M out of the $25M "extra."

 

I'm getting tired of expecting next winter to be the splurge winter, so I can't say it will happen, but if JH cares like we both think he does, I kinda think it has to be this coming winter.

 

[moonslav59]

Bloom can do no wrong. It's all good, finish 10 games under .500, all good. Keep him forever. I don't care anymore...He helped put a product out there that I don't care about the players. It's sad, but all good.

 

Not a single Sox fan comes even close to this strawman POV.

[Dipre]

Bear in mind it’s our words , not Henry’s. Not Bloom’s…

 

Bloom f***ed this year's roster up, we're all in agreement on that.

[Dipre]

Bloom can do no wrong. It's all good, finish 10 games under .500, all good. Keep him forever. I don't care anymore...He helped put a product out there that I don't care about the players. It's sad, but all good.

 

If it's made of straw and out in a field, what is it?

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom f***ed this year's roster up, we're all in agreement on that.

 

And he arguably f***ed up last year's too.

 

Maybe Bloom is a fine farm-builder who is not good at putting together major league teams.

[Dipre]

And he arguably f***ed up last year's too.

 

Maybe Bloom is a fine farm-builder who is not good at putting together major league teams.

 

That is very much a possibility.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom can do no wrong. It's all good, finish 10 games under .500, all good. Keep him forever. I don't care anymore...He helped put a product out there that I don't care about the players. It's sad, but all good.

 

"A product" where fans "don't care about the players" is a worthy statement in the criticism of the Bloom Era. Some posters have said they don't care if the Red Sox have stars, as long as the team is competitive. That may sound like a logical take, but so is rooting for familiar faces, especially some who came up through the system and matured into mainstays.

 

For a lot of fans, continuity still matters, and we're not just rooting for the laundry. Replacing mediocrity with different versions on new one-year contracts every winter has little fan appeal...

[Randy Red Sox]

1 of 4

Isn't that what it has been?

 

It worked in 1 of 3 years.

[Randy Red Sox]

this is a PERFECT post and exactly how I feel as a Red Sox fan

"A product" where fans "don't care about the players" is a worthy statement in the criticism of the Bloom Era. Some posters have said they don't care if the Red Sox have stars, as long as the team is competitive. That may sound like a logical take, but so is rooting for familiar faces, especially some who came up through the system and matured into mainstays.

 

For a lot of fans, continuity still matters, and we're not just rooting for the laundry. Replacing mediocrity with different versions on new one-year contracts every winter has little fan appeal...

[Randy Red Sox]

Red Sox record in the Bloom era 234-232. Pretty much sums it all up

[Randy Red Sox]

No, and I never said or implied anything like that.

 

I think JH and Bloom honestly believed we'd be "good enough" to compete for a playoff slot- not a ring- in 2022 and 2023. (I'm not so sure about 2021.) Neither was sure of it, however.

 

I agree that JH cares about winning and hates seeing last place finishes. That's why he gave up on Ben before his "rebuild" was completed.

 

I do not think JH or Bloom have felt any team since 2019 was near championship level. They tried to give the impression we might be, and for those who feel the playoffs are a crapshoot, maybe it wasn't all "impression." (I had hopes when we went up on the Astros in the playoffs of '21, and that wasn't even a year I feel they thought we had higher hopes.)

 

To me, the real bonehead moment in the last 4 years was not staying under, last year and not selling off expiring contracts. I have said this before, but I think JH was afraid of losing too many fans by "giving up," but now he may end up losing more by forcing a reset and not getting anything for departing top talent.

 

Had we just reset, last year, we might have been able to spend $20-25M more. Instead of spending $10M on Kluber, we spend $20M on a better SP'er, and that's just $10M out of the $25M "extra."

 

I'm getting tired of expecting next winter to be the splurge winter, so I can't say it will happen, but if JH cares like we both think he does, I kinda think it has to be this coming winter.

 

I'd rather Bloom focus on developing young homegrown pitching like Tampa does rather than spending big on FA starters 1 pitch away from TJ.

[moonslav59]

1 of 4

 

Nope, 1 of 3.

 

They did not attempt to give anyone an impression before or during 2020.

[moonslav59]

I'd rather Bloom focus on developing young homegrown pitching like Tampa does rather than spending big on FA starters 1 pitch away from TJ.

 

Maybe that is exactly what he is doing, and that's why we ended up with Richards and Kluber.

[moonslav59]

Red Sox record in the Bloom era 234-232. Pretty much sums it all up

 

Yup. It was an impossible situation he was handed, and he did not do great or poorly.

[Bellhorn04]

Nope, 1 of 3.

 

They did not attempt to give anyone an impression before or during 2020.

 

1 for 3 is good, if you're a hitter.

[Randy Red Sox]

the team had a very high payroll but were 1 year removed from a WS title with the roster pretty much intact. I am tired of hearing about DD having a high payroll. He was brought in to WIN and he DID. Bloom has torn this team apart and he is running a revolving door of old veterans on short term deals. Here for a good {?} time not a long time.

Yup. It was an impossible situation he was handed, and he did not do great or poorly.

[dannycater]

If it's made of straw and out in a field, what is it?

 

Kike Hernandez?

[Bellhorn04]

Yup. It was an impossible situation he was handed, and he did not do great or poorly.

 

"Impossible" is pretty hyperbolic. Difficult, sure, but I don't think it was impossible. He could have done significantly better, IMHO.

[dannycater]

Dombrowski was a f***ing genius...so was Theo...why? They went after important things needed to win a WS title...Theo went hard for Schilling, plugged the defensive hole at SS with the Nomar trade...Dombro brought in key components while the farm was producing the likes of Betts, Beni, Devers, Bogie...if indeed Bloom was told here is your budget, then the Story signing is a laughing stock to blowing that budget badly.

[dannycater]

Bloom is into the "exotics." This is Yoshida, this is putting together a catching combo that is cheap...that and it seems he is completely in love with the Dodgers...here, go work for them, then you can have all the Dodgers you want.

[dannycater]

Duquette was also a f***ing genius...he got Pedro, he tied up Manny, which in itself caused future "headaches" or so the next GMs thought...instead, what it did was force the Sox to keep him and let him produce. He signed Damon and he made the Varitek-Lowe trade...f***ing genius!

[notin]

the team had a very high payroll but were 1 year removed from a WS title with the roster pretty much intact. I am tired of hearing about DD having a high payroll. He was brought in to WIN and he DID. Bloom has torn this team apart and he is running a revolving door of old veterans on short term deals. Here for a good {?} time not a long time.

 

Well, the thing is…

 

Ok the 2019 team had a payroll in excess of $240mill and went 84-78. Not a good record for that payroll. Especially since they finished a dozen games out of the postseason and wouldn’t have made the postseason under the current format. Not by a lot.

 

From 2015 thru 2017, no team in the AL East win 94 games. Boston took two pennants during one of the weakest stretches in division history. They did follow up with a franchise record 108 wins, but then fell 24 games in the standings - second largest single-season drop in team history - in 2019.

 

So for about a quarter billion dollars, the Sox were looking at a team with win totals of 93, 93, 108, and 84. And at a time when the least looked like the AL East was starting to improve and 93 win teams were no longer sufficient. And if one of those win totals was an outlier, it probably wasn’t 84.

 

To make matters worse, this team also had one year left of Betts, who has already rejected $300mill (reportedly), so even the status quo was expensive. Plus they had a rotation that with Sale, Price and Eovaldi locked up for a total of 11 seasons at $290mill and a lengthy history of arm problems to worry about. And to date, 9 of those 11 seasons are in the books and only once did a pitcher reach 110 IP, not exactly a lofty total in itself. (With some luck, Sale could bring that up to 3 seasons.)

 

And finally, their bottom tier farm system wasn’t bringing up minimum wage help that was necessary to hold on the players like Betts and to afford to get actual healthy arms for the rotation. Only Houck and Dalbec managed to climb out of this farm system in 2020, and Dalbec has since crawled back in to it.

 

That’s what I saw. I don’t think 2019 got the apathy from the Sox FO it got from you…

[Bellhorn04]

And Bloom went over the tax line in 2022 and got 78 wins out of it.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom added the Story albatross to the Sale albatross to keep it company.

 

Bloom spent over $100 mill on a DH, essentially the same amount that DD spent on Martinez. We'll see if Yoshida matches Martinez in production.

[dannycater]

Bloom added the Story albatross to the Sale albatross to keep it company.

 

Bloom spent over $100 mill on a DH, essentially the same amount that DD spent on Martinez. We'll see if Yoshida matches Martinez in production.

 

The power-hitting Yoshida....he will not hold up over time.

[Bellhorn04]

The power-hitting Yoshida....he will not hold up over time.

 

.676 OPS in June with 1 HR.

 

Yeah, this might not age well at all.

[Bellhorn04]

So between Story and Yoshida, the thrifty Bloom has incurred a 41.33 million AAV this year for 0.9 fWAR and 0.7 bWAR.

 

Thank goodness he's not a money-waster like DD!

[moonslav59]

1 for 3 is good, if you're a hitter.

 

It’s not good but understandable

[dannycater]

They wanted singles, doubles hitters in a HR all or nothing league.