2022 Starting Rotation Thread

[moonslav59]

Oh, they didn't all compete for the CY in 2012 like moon remembers?

 

Funny.

[moonslav59]

The 2013 rotation was loaded with ifs.

 

Fair enough, but we did have 4 guys with 27 or more starts, so we did have one of the two things we've had every ring year: health or pretty a solid rotation.

 

The two guys with less than 27 starts, Buch and Peavy did well enough.

 

That was the season with the most starts fro our 7th or lower starter, so I can agree, that ring season does not really fit the mold I presented. (I still like those starters better than the one's we have now, do you?)

[Bellhorn04]

Fair enough, but we did have 4 guys with 27 or more starts, so we did have one of the two things we've had every ring year: health or pretty a solid rotation.

 

The two guys with less than 27 starts, Buch and Peavy did well enough.

 

That was the season with the most starts fro our 7th or lower starter, so I can agree, that ring season does not really fit the mold I presented. (I still like those starters better than the one's we have now, do you?)

 

With 20/20 hindsight, I love the 2013 rotation.

[moonslav59]

With 20/20 hindsight, I love the 2013 rotation.

 

I'm not one to look at only the previous season to form my expectations for the season, and at the time, I did not think the 2012 rotation was as bad as their numbers showed they were.

 

28 Lester

32 Beckett

33 Lackey (missed 2012)

27 Buch

24 Doubront

31 Dice-K

added Dempster, who I was not too thrilled about.

 

I know it's hard to keep hindsight out of the equation, but I think that rotation was stronger than this one is.

[mvp 78]

Funny.

 

I aim to please all my constituents.

[moonslav59]

I aim to please all my constituents.

 

Funnier.

[Nick]

76 pitches over 5 innings

101 pitches over 5 innings

95 pitches over 4.2 innings

 

Tell me why Eovaldi was pulled with game tied 2-2 after 7 innings with pitch count of 72? Tell me why? He's our f***ING ACE.

 

This coaching staff f***ing sucks.

 

It's time Bloom looks at our hitting and pitching coaches.

[Old Red]

76 pitches over 5 innings

101 pitches over 5 innings

95 pitches over 4.2 innings

 

Tell me why Eovaldi was pulled with game tied 2-2 after 7 innings with pitch count of 72? Tell me why? He's our f***ING ACE.

 

This coaching staff f***ing sucks.

 

It's time Bloom looks at our hitting and pitching coaches.

 

That’s the analytics for you. Sometimes the only paper it’s good on is in the bathroom.

[moonslav59]

It did seem shocking, to me, we took Eovaldi out, but maybe there was a reason we don't know about.

[Old Red]

It did seem shocking, to me, we took Eovaldi out, but maybe there was a reason we don't know about.

 

It was shocking to you when you are one of the big metrics guys? It’s always shocking to me, because I don’t give a damm about metrics, but the answer was the Sox didn’t want Evol to face the top of the order again, which everyone should have pretty much known the answer, because that how the game is played today. Maybe starting pitchers shouldn’t be paid as much anymore, since they can’t do things like this anymore.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Old Red

[mvp 78]

Eovaldi had just given up a HR to Chapman.

 

The next group of batters was NOT the top of the order. It was feared Tapia/Espinal/Zimmer combo. If Eovaldi comes in and gets 3 outs, he probably is still done after the 8th. He's NEVER pitched in the 9th inning of any game that he started before. At that point, you'd still have the pen going up against the heart of the order and I'm not sure how pretty it would have been.

[Old Red]

Eovaldi had just given up a HR to Chapman.

 

The next group of batters was NOT the top of the order. It was feared Tapia/Espinal/Zimmer combo. If Eovaldi comes in and gets 3 outs, he probably is still done after the 8th. He's NEVER pitched in the 9th inning of any game that he started before. At that point, you'd still have the pen going up against the heart of the order and I'm not sure how pretty it would have been.

 

You’re right the top of the order was not coming up, but that was the reasoning they gave on NESN. What’s the worst thing that could have happened by leaving him in outside of loading the bases, and given up a slammy? I would have left him in.

[mvp 78]

You’re right the top of the order was not coming up, but that was the reasoning they gave on NESN. What’s the worst thing that could have happened by leaving him in outside of loading the bases, and given up a slammy? I would have left him in.

 

Me too. They still most likely lose though.

[Bellhorn04]

You’re right the top of the order was not coming up, but that was the reasoning they gave on NESN.

 

So NESN was wrong.

[Old Red]

So NESN was wrong.

 

Nobody said the top of the order was coming up, but just that the Sox did not want Evol to face them again. I was watching the Celtics at the time, so I just took it for granted that the top of the order was coming up that next inning, so my bad.

[mvp 78]

Nobody said the top of the order was coming up, but just that the Sox did not want Evol to face them again. I was watching the Celtics at the time, so I just took it for granted that the top of the order was coming up that next inning, so my bad.

 

Could still have him face batters 7-9?

[Old Red]

Could still have him face batters 7-9?

 

I’ll repeat again I would have left him in. We saw the results of taking him out, but we’ll never know what would have happened by leaving him in.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Old Red

[Kimmi]

Me too. They still most likely lose though.

 

I would have left Eovaldi in, but I can understand the reasoning behind taking him out.

 

Either way, it's hard to win games when you can't score many runs.

 

Like with last year's struggles, I'm not upset about the pitching. I'm frustrated with how out of sorts our offense looks.

[notin]

I would have left Eovaldi in, but I can understand the reasoning behind taking him out.

 

Either way, it's hard to win games when you can't score many runs.

 

Like with last year's struggles, I'm not upset about the pitching. I'm frustrated with how out of sorts our offense looks.

 

There is always the possibility that Eovaldi asked to be taken out, too…

[Bellhorn04]

There is always the possibility that Eovaldi asked to be taken out, too…

 

He said otherwise, but said he was fine with the decision. Said all the right things, in other words.

[Old Red]

There is always the possibility that Eovaldi asked to be taken out, too…

 

That to me that would have been the least likely possibility. Like Tony Mas just said just another example of over managing, because of the metrics of baseball, and I don’t think it’s any more, or any less than that.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Old Red

[dgalehouse]

The game has changed. Managers are getting instructions from behind-the-scenes pencil neck geeks.

[vegasbob]

You’re right the top of the order was not coming up, but that was the reasoning they gave on NESN. What’s the worst thing that could have happened by leaving him in outside of loading the bases, and given up a slammy? I would have left him in.

 

Nothing worse could have happened by leaving Eovaldi in than what ACTUALLY did happen by taking him out. A GS in the 8th inning of a game we just tied up , is the worst outcome that could have been done in the situation.

[Old Red]

The game has changed. Managers are getting instructions from behind-the-scenes pencil neck geeks.

 

The game has changed, but I don’t believe changed for the better.

[RedSoxRooter]

They are doomed without a real closer. Give the job to Houk and give Whitlock the starter job. Or the other way around.

 

I’d give it to Houk first, let him fail. Then give it to Whitlock. Get a closer at the trade deadline. Move Whitlock back to the rotation to join Sale coming back… then Houk can be the 8th inning guy.

[Bellhorn04]

They are doomed without a real closer. Give the job to Houk and give Whitlock the starter job. Or the other way around.

 

I’d give it to Houk first, let him fail. Then give it to Whitlock. Get a closer at the trade deadline. Move Whitlock back to the rotation to join Sale coming back… then Houk can be the 8th inning guy.

 

If this team is going all in on 2022, Houck as closer and Whitlock in the rotation makes some sense. That's a big if, though.

[vegasbob]

If this team is going all in on 2022, Houck as closer and Whitlock in the rotation makes some sense. That's a big if, though.

 

I think there was and is no intention on going all in for 2022. The signing of Story to a market rate deal is one step ( Whitlock's extension is another) to a full rebuild of this team pointing towards 2023/24. The deletion of Bogey, JDM and others at the trade deadline vicinity will be the prospect building moves to complete the cost efficient reorganization that Bloom was instructed to achieve. The rush of success at season's end in 2021 pushed our expectations beyond ownership/FO's reality.

[Bellhorn04]

I think there was and is no intention on going all in for 2022. The signing of Story to a market rate deal is one step ( Whitlock's extension is another) to a full rebuild of this team pointing towards 2023/24. The deletion of Bogey, JDM and others at the trade deadline vicinity will be the prospect building moves to complete the cost efficient reorganization that Bloom was instructed to achieve. The rush of success at season's end in 2021 pushed our expectations beyond ownership/FO's reality.

 

I don't think they're all in on 2022 either, but I do think they had expectations of making the playoffs. I don't think they planned to have a fire sale in July. But they probably didn't completely rule it out, either.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If this team is going all in on 2022, Houck as closer and Whitlock in the rotation makes some sense. That's a big if, though.

 

It doesn't now that we know he won't always be available to the team.

[moonslav59]

I don't think they're all in on 2022 either, but I do think they had expectations of making the playoffs. I don't think they planned to have a fire sale in July. But they probably didn't completely rule it out, either.

 

Agreed, and we are still feeling the affects of the last time we went "all in."

 

Finding the happy medium is what I think we are looking for, but I don't think the top brass viewed 2021 or 2022 as a year to even approach going "all in."

 

Maybe 2023 or 2024, if ever again.