2022 Starting Rotation Thread

[notin]

I think the starting rotation was set before the lockout began, and both Houck, and Whitlock would have started in the pen, but Chris Frail getting hurt changed all that, and Houck should get a good chance in the rotation now. Then depending on what happens until Frail gets back it will be a 3 man battle for two spots.

 

At some point, the Sox might have to wonder if returning Sale to the rotation even makes sense. Maybe not the case in 2022. But if he doesn’t opt out after this season (and he won’t), he is signed for at least two more seasons for $55 mill…

[mvp 78]

Do they have a head scratcher emoji?

 

[moonslav59]

No, but you have a head scratcher avatar.

 

lmao!

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

Nick Pivetta has struck out 14 batters in his first 9 spring innings.

 

Bum. 5th starter at best.

[moonslav59]

@redsoxstats

Nick Pivetta has struck out 14 batters in his first 9 spring innings.

 

Bum. 5th starter at best.

 

Are you and 700 the same poster?

[cp176]

@redsoxstats

Nick Pivetta has struck out 14 batters in his first 9 spring innings.

 

Bum. 5th starter at best.

 

I love me some Nick Pivetta. I would have no problem having him lead us off. Obviously going to be Eovaldi, but I do like Pivetta.

[mvp 78]

Are you and 700 the same poster?

 

No, you and A700 are the same person. You can disprove this by joining the fantasy league this season. If not, you're the same poster.

[mvp 78]

I love me some Nick Pivetta. I would have no problem having him lead us off. Obviously going to be Eovaldi, but I do like Pivetta.

 

It's crazy how much of an afterthought he was in that trade.

[vegasbob]

Sounds encouraging?

 

It should be, however, if he stress fractured his rib throwing, his comeback and reliability factor would seem to be in jeopardy with almost every pitch .Cora holding his breath each time. I hope they did a bone scan or osteoporosis evaluation on this beanpole to see if he can withstand the exertion. For the rest of his contract , will he be an asset or liability ?

[notin]

No, you and A700 are the same person. You can disprove this by joining the fantasy league this season. If not, you're the same poster.

 

Hey if you have openings…

[moonslav59]

No, you and A700 are the same person. You can disprove this by joining the fantasy league this season. If not, you're the same poster.

 

That's pure fantasy!

[mvp 78]

Hey if you have openings…

 

The more the merrier.

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20002-2021-TalkSox-Fantasy-Baseball-League-Mike-Grace-Memorial-League?p=1454500#post1454500

 

$20 and you'll get to forever tell everyone you know more about baseball than me, A700, Thunder, iOrtiz, JBay and others.

[notin]

The more the merrier.

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20002-2021-TalkSox-Fantasy-Baseball-League-Mike-Grace-Memorial-League?p=1454500#post1454500

 

$20 and you'll get to forever tell everyone you know more about baseball than me, A700, Thunder, iOrtiz, JBay and others.

 

I’ve seen the thread. But if you need someone to round out the league, I am always available. Send me a message through here…

[Kimmi]

There's no disputing the numbers, but sometimes when a guy is on a roll, a manager should be able to use his own discretion...

 

... like when Rich Hill's working on a one-hit World Series shutout in the 7th, just struck out Nunez on three pitches, and the boys upstairs are telling you he's done? He can't face Brock Freaking Holt?

 

I really dislike it when a pitcher is taken out of a game when he is on an absolute roll, with a low pitch count. The data, however, shows that the 3rd time through the order penalty applies to pitchers who were dealing as much as it applies to pitchers who were having good or average performances. So while I really don't like the move, I can defend it.

[Kimmi]

It really doesn't matter if it was Cash or Cash's bosses that forced him to yank Snell, the fact is that Bloom defended the move that ultimately led to the Rays' losing the World Series.

 

But even in a discussion on a decision that most of the baseball world agree was wrong, you still cling to the other opinion just so you can argue on the forum.

 

What was your personal opinion of the move at the time?

 

What I'm saying is that the move is defensible.

[jacksonianmarch]

So right now…

 

Eovaldi

Pivetta

Hill

Wacha

Houck

 

Sale returns and Houck goes to the pen? Or if Houck is killing it, boot Wacha? Hard to say really. Wacha and Hill are place holders, IMo

[Kimmi]

Ultimately, this is about the sox rotation and what is their depth now that Sale is going to be out of action for awhile? Their pen is also kinda awry as well with some upheaval and the possibility that you'll need to move your best pen arms into the rotation

 

You're starting to sound nervous again Jacko.

[Bellhorn04]

So right now…

 

Eovaldi

Pivetta

Hill

Wacha

Houck

 

Sale returns and Houck goes to the pen? Or if Houck is killing it, boot Wacha? Hard to say really. Wacha and Hill are place holders, IMo

 

Or they could be important parts of the 2022 team. One of them, anyway. We will see.

[Larry Cook]

Or they could be important parts of the 2022 team. One of them, anyway. We will see.

 

Watching pivetta today was ugly. Lack of command and serving up a large number of meatballs.

[jacksonianmarch]

You're starting to sound nervous again Jacko.

 

Yanks have their own problems. But your rotation is not solid. You don’t have a lights out pen to lean on if your rotation struggles. You better hope the Sox can mash, cause they’re gonna need it.

[moonslav59]

Yanks have their own problems. But your rotation is not solid. You don’t have a lights out pen to lean on if your rotation struggles. You better hope the Sox can mash, cause they’re gonna need it.

 

You said the same thing, last year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yanks have their own problems. But your rotation is not solid. You don’t have a lights out pen to lean on if your rotation struggles. You better hope the Sox can mash, cause they’re gonna need it.

 

Our gaseous rotation and lights on bullpen took us to the brink of the World Series last year. NY had reportedly the greatest group of relievers in history the past decade and never made it out of the AL.

 

Why invest in a Stroman or Gausman when for the price of one of those guys you can have a Wacha, a 42-year old curveballer and half-a-Paxton? The last time the Sox spent big on starters was for Price and Lackey, and where did that get them? They both turned out to have cranky arms and attitudes.

 

If only the Sox could find a pitcher they could pay $300 million dollars to yank him in the third inning of a do-or-die Wild Card game.

[jacksonianmarch]

You’ve got to get there. This year is going to be a dogfight. I think the Rays might take a step back due to their amazing collection of pitching injuries, but I’ve been saying that for a couple years now and they keep winning somehow.

 

The Jays are better. No question. They are probably the best team in this division on paper.

 

The Yanks got better. Their moves on offense should help generate more runs. Their defensive moves should keep them away from being the second worst defense in all of baseball last year. They’ve got lots of pitching depth, although the question will be how the back end of the rotation holds up and if Sevy has anything left. Also, still one major minus is Boone who seems to push all the wrong buttons

 

Sox didn’t really get better. You lost one top offensive performer in Renfroe and essentially replaced him with Story in the lineup. Story’s D Will help at 2b as will JBJ’s in RF, but you shuffled the chairs here offensively and removed on minus offensive producer (Arroyo) and added another in (JBJ). You lost Schwarber and never replaced him. Offense will still be solid, IMO. Rotation loses ERod who had a weird high ERA low FIP year and replaced him with a 42 yr old shitballer who can’t stay healthy and a former WS Ace who’s fallen on tough arm health times who sucked ass in Tampa and now is supposed to be useful? You start the year down Sale for likely the first month of the season which will pull Houck into your rotation. While Bello and Mata might be in the wings later in the year, your rotation depth involves pulling your best relievers and putting them in the rotation. The pen is a mess of left handlers who had weird peripheral years last year and a fall closer who cannot seem to hold things down when the weather gets hot. Of the 4 teams, the Sox are probably the worst, but with Cora pushing the buttons and Bloom turning s*** into diamonds, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Sox overachieve again

[Bellhorn04]

You’ve got to get there. This year is going to be a dogfight. I think the Rays might take a step back due to their amazing collection of pitching injuries, but I’ve been saying that for a couple years now and they keep winning somehow.

 

The Jays are better. No question. They are probably the best team in this division on paper.

 

The Yanks got better. Their moves on offense should help generate more runs. Their defensive moves should keep them away from being the second worst defense in all of baseball last year. They’ve got lots of pitching depth, although the question will be how the back end of the rotation holds up and if Sevy has anything left. Also, still one major minus is Boone who seems to push all the wrong buttons

 

Sox didn’t really get better. You lost one top offensive performer in Renfroe and essentially replaced him with Story in the lineup. Story’s D Will help at 2b as will JBJ’s in RF, but you shuffled the chairs here offensively and removed on minus offensive producer (Arroyo) and added another in (JBJ). You lost Schwarber and never replaced him. Offense will still be solid, IMO. Rotation loses ERod who had a weird high ERA low FIP year and replaced him with a 42 yr old shitballer who can’t stay healthy and a former WS Ace who’s fallen on tough arm health times who sucked ass in Tampa and now is supposed to be useful? You start the year down Sale for likely the first month of the season which will pull Houck into your rotation. While Bello and Mata might be in the wings later in the year, your rotation depth involves pulling your best relievers and putting them in the rotation. The pen is a mess of left handlers who had weird peripheral years last year and a fall closer who cannot seem to hold things down when the weather gets hot. Of the 4 teams, the Sox are probably the worst, but with Cora pushing the buttons and Bloom turning s*** into diamonds, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Sox overachieve again

 

Bottom line of all that, the Yankees have better talent on paper and the Sox have better management.

 

Management can make all the difference the way the game is now.

 

Cora and Bloom vs. Boone and Cash = mismatch.

[Bellhorn04]

If only the Sox could find a pitcher they could pay $300 million dollars to yank him in the third inning of a do-or-die Wild Card game.

 

Cole's line in the Wild Card game:

 

2 IP

4 H

3 R

3 ER

2 HR

2 BB

 

Are you trying to suggest that $324 million is a lot to pay for that kind of performance?

[jacksonianmarch]

Bottom line of all that, the Yankees have better talent on paper and the Sox have better management.

 

Management can make all the difference the way the game is now.

 

Cora and Bloom vs. Boone and Cash = mismatch.

 

It was last year for sure. Most of the time talent can take you past a bad manager, but that wasn't the case last year.

 

One thing I am very excited about from the spring is Torres has now blasted two opposite field homers. With Thames as the yankee hitting coach, everyone was pull happy and it robbed Torres of his power. He's a really good hitter best when he is going center or right center. If they worked with him to go with the pitch, especially in YS, he could regain his lost shine

[jacksonianmarch]

Cole's line in the Wild Card game:

 

2 IP

4 H

3 R

3 ER

2 HR

2 BB

 

Are you trying to suggest that $324 million is a lot to pay for that kind of performance?

 

Cole tweaked his hamstring late in the year and just wasnt the same. I think I had debated on here that I didn't want a do or die to be in his hands because the ball just wasnt coming out like it was prior to the injury. Everything was up and hence why Bogey and Schwarber tattooed him

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Cole tweaked his hamstring late in the year and just wasnt the same. I think I had debated on here that I didn't want a do or die to be in his hands because the ball just wasnt coming out like it was prior to the injury. Everything was up and hence why Bogey and Schwarber tattooed him

 

At least our overpaid ace knows better to go on the IL and stay unvaxxed so he doesn't have to face Toronto on the road next month.

[Bellhorn04]

It was last year for sure. Most of the time talent can take you past a bad manager, but that wasn't the case last year.

 

4 years with Boone = 4 years of odd decisions = 4 years with no WS appearances.

[jacksonianmarch]

4 years with Boone = 4 years of odd decisions = 4 years with no WS appearances.

 

You are not wrong. I do not like Boone. I wanted him gone. But apparently he appeases the bosses, which makes me want the bosses gone.