trade deadline

[moonslav59]

No chance we win a ring with what we have… everyone thinks Sale is coming back to save the rotation! We’re one long IL stint from falling into a 4 or 5 game slide and being a game back! Bloom did not do us any favors and those who say well we did get Kyle… we needed an arm and a guy to play 1B!!!

 

You wanted us to outbid the Dodgers and Yanks and overpay for rentals?

[Nick]

Tampa, Toronto, and Yanks all made major acquisitions. I guess Bloom thinks that he has this in the bag.

 

We're shooting for 2022......no sense of urgency....

[moonslav59]

Is Moon ok ? Man he wanted to upgrade this staff .Last night we where all very hopeful. I still can’t fathom how this is remotely acceptable to ownership.

 

I'm more than fine.

 

I had hoped we could get a SP'er, and I was thrilled we got Schwarber for Aldo Ramirez.

 

Just because I hoped we got a pitcher doesn't mean I think we should have grossly overpaid for one.

 

I'm looking at our long term future and our farm is still not top tier and maybe not even middle tier. How do we set ourselves up for long term success without first building up the farm to respectability. Bloom has done a great job starting the rebuild, and dome of DD's farm additions have improved in value, but we still have a ways to go.

 

Couple that with the fact that had we improved by x amount at the deadline, so would everybody else- some by 2x or 3x. We were not at the point where a big move or two would have made us the clear faves or even a solid fave. That could have happened, if everyone else stood pat. That did not happen, and in a big way.

 

I see the last week as a huge gain by us, in terms of the long term. All the best teams in MLB weakened their extended futures, some very significantly, including division foes, the Yanks and Jays.

 

I can't say I'm thrilled we couldn't even add a Jon Gray, but until I know who teams wanted from us, I'm not pretending to know if Bloom made any mistakes.

 

We have a damn good team, now. I've called it a "magical team." I'm going to continue enjoying this season, even if it ends early.

 

I'm super excited about 2022 and beyond. That's more important to me, than going all in to be the 3rd best fave in 2021, at most.

[a700hitter]

We're shooting for 2022......no sense of urgency....

Speaking for myself, at age 62, I am not playing the long game as a fan. 2022 isn't too bad, but if they have some injuries and a bad start, those plans can go into the crapper. This was supposed to be the Yankees season, and look at them. When you are on a good run and still contending at the end of July, I think you have to seize the day.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, they were disappointing. I think the impact will be less than hoped for.

 

But Scherzer and Berrios went for players better than the Sox had to deal.

 

I think if anything, he went for the wrong targets. He shot for the moon when at best we only had the prospects to reach the clouds…

 

Imho, we had only prospects available to reach my 8 foot ceiling.

 

Well played, SPLINTER.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

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[notin]

Speaking for myself, at age 62, I am not playing the long game as a fan. 2022 isn't too bad, but if they have some injuries and a bad start, those plans can go into the crapper. This was supposed to be the Yankees season, and look at them. When you are on a good run and still contending at the end of July, I think you have to seize the day.

 

 

But sometimes you have spending limits.

 

You might want a Mercedes. You might think you need a Mercedes. You might even think you deserve a Mercedes. But all you can afford is Hansel Robles…

[Hugh2]

I was very dissatisfied with the Sox deadline deals, not that they were bad deals but rather I don’t feel they addressed all their needs.

 

Seeing much of the angst in the fan base is making me feel a little better about Blooms decisions. If a lot of people are pissed…..he probably got something right.

[oldtimer]

I was very dissatisfied with the Sox deadline deals, not that they were bad deals but rather I don’t feel they addressed all their needs.

 

Seeing much of the angst in the fan base is making me feel a little better about Blooms decisions. If a lot of people are pissed…..he probably got something right.

I too was disappointed in the efforts to fill our needs of a true 1st baseman and a SP. I don't pretend to know the issues and limitations faced by Bloom but just based on results, we have opened the door to lose our lead for a pennant this year. I'll reserve judgment until I know more, but we did have a disappointing effort.

[d-money]

No.

[dgalehouse]

Look at it this way. We still have a very good team. It could be worse. You could be a Cubs fan. ( Which I am when it comes to the N.L. ) After losing Lester , Darvish and Schwarber in the pre season , they have now lost Bryant , Baez, Rizzo, Kimbrel , Chafin , Tepera and Marisnick at the deadline. Can you imagine what a similar scenario would be in Boston?

[moonslav59]

I was very dissatisfied with the Sox deadline deals, not that they were bad deals but rather I don’t feel they addressed all their needs.

 

Seeing much of the angst in the fan base is making me feel a little better about Blooms decisions. If a lot of people are pissed…..he probably got something right.

 

Great post.

[Larry Cook]

I was very dissatisfied with the Sox deadline deals, not that they were bad deals but rather I don’t feel they addressed all their needs.

 

Seeing much of the angst in the fan base is making me feel a little better about Blooms decisions. If a lot of people are pissed…..he probably got something right.

 

The schwarber deal makes sense to me. The Chavis deal makes sense to me.

 

The Robles deal makes me want to throw up!

[a700hitter]

Is Bloom a genius who is seeing several steps ahead or is he in over his head? We will find out over the next couple of months.

[Swiharts Ghost]

The schwarber deal makes sense to me. The Chavis deal makes sense to me.

 

The Robles deal makes me want to throw up!

 

The chavis deal was rather remarkable lol

[Swiharts Ghost]

Is Bloom a genius who is seeing several steps ahead or is he in over his head? We will find out over the next couple of months.

 

 

Very true and although I’m Numb tonight I’ll be ok and so will the team by tomorrow morning .Plenty of time to figure this s*** out .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Alright Ladies and Gents time to heal with some positive vibes put it out in the universe we get it back .Time to support and circle the wagons .

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

But sometimes you have spending limits.

 

You might want a Mercedes. You might think you need a Mercedes. You might even think you deserve a Mercedes. But all you can afford is Hansel Robles…

 

Actually, I would prefer a Honda Civic over a Mercedes. Much more reliable. And with the money you'd save, you could buy a very nice stereo system to play DIRTY WATER on.

Edited July 31, 2021 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[notin]

When he didn't start against a LH last night, I figured he'd be either traded or optioned, if he has any options left.

 

While it’s disappointing the Sox didn’t get any major upgrades, it might be worth remembering that they’ve never been a team to go big at the deadline. Look at some of the deadline additions in the past.

 

2004 - Doug Mientiewicz, Orlando Cabrera, Terry Adams, and Dave Roberts

2007 - Eric Gagne

2013 - Jake Peavy

2018 - Nathan Eovaldi, Steve Pearce, Ian Kinsler

 

Not exactly All Star caliber there

[notin]

Actually, I would prefer a Honda Civic over a Mercedes. Much more reliable. And with the money you'd save, you could buy a very nice stereo system to play DIRTY WATER on.

 

I’m pretty sure Hansel Robles can play Dirty Water for you

[vegasbob]

While it’s disappointing the Sox didn’t get any major upgrades, it might be worth remembering that they’ve never been a team to go big at the deadline. Look at some of the deadline additions in the past.

 

2004 - Doug Mientiewicz, Orlando Cabrera, Terry Adams, and Dave Roberts

2007 - Eric Gagne

2013 - Jake Peavy

2018 - Nathan Eovaldi, Steve Pearce, Ian Kinsler

 

Not exactly All Star caliber there

 

But won the WS every one of those, since these guys listed were adds to the core lineup. Something still missing in Boston , like a starting rotation more than 2 deep.

[cp176]

@PeteAbe

Anderson Espinoza, the erstwhile Red Sox prospect, was traded to the Cubs for Jake Marisnick.

 

Espinoza never pitched for the Padres after being acquired for Drew Pomeranz. Had TJ twice.

 

I'm still a little butt hurt over all the crap I took for my ardent defense of the deal that brought Pomeranz to Boston for Espinoza. lol

[cp176]

If Bloom took a dump in Fenway's center field , there would be some on here saying he is working hard to help fertilize. For a guy who has never won anything, he seems to be above criticism.

 

Now that is not only funny but so so true.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Red Sox players won't say anything publicly, but wonder how they really feel watching every rival pitching staff improve, and then glancing back at their own mound's status woes. How inspired did the Sox look last night, when every AL East team won except one.

 

White Sox got Kimbrel, Astros got two closers having good years, Jays got a good starter and closer, Yanks got a starter, Rays traded a starter and their closer... and somehow kept stockpiling arms.

 

Boston got a Grimm fairy tale.

[Hugh2]

Not that I didn’t yearn for more, but I don’t think the players have the same takes as we do.

 

I think trading away players can send a bad message through a club house but largely keeping the team intact if anything shows a vote of confidence.

 

Here’s what they did add.

 

They added a relief pitcher who they feel can get tough lefties out at a time when their division opponents picked up some LH bats. Strategic.

 

They added a hitter who is now 2nd on their team in OPS. It’s kind of hard to argue the front office sends a message to the team that they’re unwilling to trade to improve the team when they add a bat that’s arguably now your 2nd best offensive player. Just dumb.

 

They added Houck recently, and they have Sale coming back. If Sale is Sale, you made a better move than any of your opponents could have made.

 

 

Look, the rebuttals to my post are already spinning through my head “what about 1st” “what if sale isn’t sale” etc etc. I don’t disagree with ANY of that. But implying that the players on the team are being sent bad messages is just a stupid take.

[Hugh2]

Great post.

 

I was thoroughly convinced there’s no way they were going to play Schwarber at 1B but after the rest of their moves played out I’m starting to hope they do plan on doing just that.

 

Maybe they start him in the outfield and when they have more confidence in his hamstring they throw some 1B at him.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I was thoroughly convinced there’s no way they were going to play Schwarber at 1B but after the rest of their moves played out I’m starting to hope they do plan on doing just that.

 

Maybe they start him in the outfield and when they have more confidence in his hamstring they throw some 1B at him.

 

Schwarber does look like the kind of guy who was built to play LF in Fenway Park, kind of like Manny Ramirez. But if Schwarber plays LF, who plays 1b? That's what bothers me. The Dalbec s*** show has gone on for too long and there is no excuse for it. I'd feel better about things if the Red Sox acquired a J.Schoop or another player who could start at 1b, while also acquiring Schwarber.

 

The pitching stuff bothers me less. I'm a realist--there were very few starting pitching upgrades to be found on the trade market. In fact, I count only two and the Dodgers and Blue Jays paid a big price for those pitchers. Sure, I would have liked a major bullpen upgrade, but I can live with smaller moves. The thing that seems inexcusable to me is the situation at 1b, a relatively easy position to address and yet the Red Sox didn't adequately address it.

 

As far as Rizzo goes, the Red Sox could have topped the Yankees offer but even if they didn't want to, other options were out there including J.Schoop.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Not that I didn’t yearn for more, but I don’t think the players have the same takes as we do.

 

I think trading away players can send a bad message through a club house but largely keeping the team intact if anything shows a vote of confidence.

 

Here’s what they did add.

 

They added a relief pitcher who they feel can get tough lefties out at a time when their division opponents picked up some LH bats. Strategic.

 

They added a hitter who is now 2nd on their team in OPS. It’s kind of hard to argue the front office sends a message to the team that they’re unwilling to trade to improve the team when they add a bat that’s arguably now your 2nd best offensive player. Just dumb.

 

They added Houck recently, and they have Sale coming back. If Sale is Sale, you made a better move than any of your opponents could have made.

 

 

Look, the rebuttals to my post are already spinning through my head “what about 1st” “what if sale isn’t sale” etc etc. I don’t disagree with ANY of that. But implying that the players on the team are being sent bad messages is just a stupid take.

 

Your personal opinion of stupidity is noted. I don't know if you've played a professional team sport -- and while I have not -- my take is based solely on hearing ex-players like Merloni, who said deadline reinforcements can inspire a clubhouse, but no impactful acquisitions can bring an empty feeling of abandonment (by the front office).

 

Schwarber can certainly add an elite bat to a lineup split with stars and scrubs. However, it's all about pitching...

[Fan_since_Boggs]

While it’s disappointing the Sox didn’t get any major upgrades, it might be worth remembering that they’ve never been a team to go big at the deadline. Look at some of the deadline additions in the past.

 

2004 - Doug Mientiewicz, Orlando Cabrera, Terry Adams, and Dave Roberts

2007 - Eric Gagne

2013 - Jake Peavy

2018 - Nathan Eovaldi, Steve Pearce, Ian Kinsler

 

Not exactly All Star caliber there

 

I remember that Cabrera was really good for the Red Sox that year. Gagne was a disaster. Peavy was nothing great and I think he was pretty useless in the postseason, if I'm remembering correctly. Nathan Eovaldi and Pearce were genius moves by Dombrowski. In fact, I'm interested in seeing how the Gibson/Ian Kennedy trade plays out for the Phillies. I think the Phillies traded away a pretty good young arm, but based on his 2018 trades with the Red Sox, I'm a believer in Dombrowski's instincts.

 

But you're correct: in these championship seasons, the Red Sox didn't load up on all star players.

Edited July 31, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Hugh2]

I suppose it’s either Schwarber at first or they’re going to go with a Franchy/Dalbec platoon.

 

Dalbec is actually ok VS. LHP, it’s the other side of that platoon that has been lackluster. If Cordero could even just be his career .715 vs RHP moving forward that platoon would bear fruit. Won’t be elite, but it won’t be a black hole either.

 

Still, one hates to waste a roster spot on a platoon 1B.

Edited July 31, 2021 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh