trade deadline

[notin]

Absurd. Houck has the same value of Vizcaino? Alcantara has the same value as Casas? I don't buy it.

 

Trade Casas and Houck for two months of Rizzo. LOL.

 

 

Well, per Fangraphs. They’re the only ones with values attached (except BTV) and Fangraphs has very limited levels…

[Hugh2]

We just traded our 1st round pick, Michael Chavis for ham sandwich. Minor leaguers exist to serve the major league team.

 

Yes, a first round pick from 7 years ago that has not lived up to expectations.

 

Ironically your other 1st round pick got you your cavalry for 2021…Chris Sale.

[Hugh2]

Schwarber was significant.

 

Our farm was hardly touched.

 

I feel much better about 2022, and still love our chances of winning the division or at worst, winning a WC slot.

 

The Dodgers, Yanks and others overpaid. It’s pretty certain we’d have had to do the same or more to land any of the top players. Let’s save the overpays for this winter’s free agents.

 

I’ve come to realization that Schwarber is likely to play 1B and I was wrong.

 

Here’s a guy who’s going to plug a hole and arguably become your 2nd best hitter.

 

People can be upset that they didn’t address pitching needs, but let’s not act like the Sox didn’t make a significant upgrade. They did, and they paid much less than their counterparts in the AL East.

[jad]

No. But do you think Sox players think the team badly needed help? Do you think the pitchers think “I can’t do this. We need better pitching. Do you think their teammates feel that way?

 

I have no idea what professional baseball players think. So I'll just go with Charles Barkley's famous statement: "Players care about three things: Money, Playing Time, and Winning ... In that order." I don't expect player's disappointment, expectations, or satisfaction is going to affect their performance one bit.

[Bellhorn04]

I have no idea what professional baseball players think. So I'll just go with Charles Barkley's famous statement: "Players care about three things: Money, Playing Time, and Winning ... In that order." I don't expect player's disappointment, expectations, or satisfaction is going to affect their performance one bit.

 

It's a good line by Charles. However, it's also not controversial to suggest that players' performances are affected by a lot of physiological and psychological factors that are outside of those basic needs.

[jacksonianmarch]

Schwarber will likely play 1b. You’ll need to live with his growing pains there. He’s apparently almost ready for a rehab assignment. Initial projections were 3 more weeks but he might be back in 2 if he’s ready for a rehab assignment

[Bellhorn04]

We just traded our 1st round pick, Michael Chavis for ham sandwich. Minor leaguers exist to serve the major league team.

 

Yes, because Chavis turned out to be a baloney sandwich. I don't see much of a point here.

[Bellhorn04]

Schwarber will likely play 1b. You’ll need to live with his growing pains there. He’s apparently almost ready for a rehab assignment. Initial projections were 3 more weeks but he might be back in 2 if he’s ready for a rehab assignment

 

Sadly, this seems irrelevant in the face of the pitching staff implosion.

[jacksonianmarch]

You also just played the Jays and Rays, so it’s not like you’re crushing the Marlins here. Schwarber will add length to your already potent lineup. If your pitching goes south, you’ll need the hitting to show up

[moonslav59]

I’ve come to realization that Schwarber is likely to play 1B and I was wrong.

 

Here’s a guy who’s going to plug a hole and arguably become your 2nd best hitter.

 

People can be upset that they didn’t address pitching needs, but let’s not act like the Sox didn’t make a significant upgrade. They did, and they paid much less than their counterparts in the AL East.

 

It’s the only way to view our deadline moves.

 

Bloom did what he felt he could looking at the full picture.

[moonslav59]

Sadly, this seems irrelevant in the face of the pitching staff implosion.

 

The pitching will not continue this badly.

 

Regressing to the norm can be a good thing, sometimes.

[Kimmi]

I did not read all 50 some pages of posts since I was last on here, but I'm getting the sense that many are disappointed in Bloom's deadline moves (or lack thereof). Anyone who was expecting a blockbuster type move was likely going to be disappointed, just at they were over the offseason. Bloom's priority is still long term sustainability, and rightly so. Going for broke this year, or making moves in reaction to what the other AL East teams did, would have been a huge mistake, IMO.

 

Trading for a player who is on the IL with a hamstring injury is kind of risky, but if Schwarber can stay healthy, he will be an upgrade offensively, regardless of whether he plays first base or not.

 

Sale has the potential to be the biggest acquisition and upgrade that any team received at the deadline.

 

Our trade deadline was 'meh', but I am 100% happy that Bloom stuck to the plan. Bloom is the man.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

You also just played the Jays and Rays, so it’s not like you’re crushing the Marlins here. Schwarber will add length to your already potent lineup. If your pitching goes south, you’ll need the hitting to show up

 

SOX starting pitching has already gone south. If it goes any further south, it will end up in Antarctica.

[illinoisredsox]

SOX starting pitching has already gone south. If it goes any further south, it will end up in Antarctica.

 

But from there, everything is north.

[jacksonianmarch]

Saying the Sox are average in the SP department is an affront to good starting pitching. Sox starter’s ERA sits at 4.61. The Yanks, A’s, Jays, Astros, and White Sox are way ahead of them. The Tigers have a better ERA and it’s not close. The only contender with a worse starting era is Seattle and they get by on smoke and mirrors as their Pythagorean is worse than the Angels and tigers. Red Sox are 0.64 runs per 9 worse than the worst starting pitching contender, the Rays.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

But from there, everything is north.

 

But they may like it in Antarctica.

[Nick]

I feel bad for Rocker. But then I saw that Boras represents him.

 

Rocker did not share his physicals with major league teams prior to draft.

 

Despite Boras claim that Rocker is 'healthy', I think he tried to pull one on everyone.

 

I would not draft a player that has Boras as his agent.

[dgalehouse]

I’ve come to realization that Schwarber is likely to play 1B and I was wrong.

 

Here’s a guy who’s going to plug a hole and arguably become your 2nd best hitter.

 

People can be upset that they didn’t address pitching needs, but let’s not act like the Sox didn’t make a significant upgrade. They did, and they paid much less than their counterparts in the AL East.

2nd best hitter? Do you have him as better than Bogaerts or Devers?

[Larry Cook]

2nd best hitter? Do you have him as better than Bogaerts or Devers?

 

Neither! Guys that have missed as much time as schwaber will need time to get their timing back. Not sure he will be better than dalbec for the rest of this season.

[a700hitter]

Is this a death spiral?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

A few days after the trade deadline and Pawecki is the DH and Dalbec is the starting 1b. Something went wrong.

 

A-Rod commented on Dalbec's at bat in the 7th inning last night--Dalbec swung hopelessly at 3 pitches out of the zone with a man on third base and less than 2 outs. I don't remember A-Rod's exact words but he did highlight just how futile Dalbec looked. I have no idea why Cora didn't pinch hit for Dalbec in that spot. The Red Sox have some kind of blind spot for Dalbec, that seems pretty clear.

 

This was Bloom's first season as a general manager of a winning Red Sox team and he failed to deliver at the deadline. Let's hope he learns from this.

[Bellhorn04]

All I can say is, that was one f**king ominous trade deadline day, when you combine it with the Sox losing and our 3 AL East rivals winning last night, and our starting pitcher getting shelled again.

 

Amazingly ominous deadline day and weekend. The Rays, Yankees and Jays all going 3-0 while the Red Sox go 0-3.

[Hugh2]

2nd best hitter? Do you have him as better than Bogaerts or Devers?

 

If you want to argue the semantics of what defines the "goodness" of a hitter and slate him as #3 or even #4 instead I don't really give a crap. He's automatically a premium bat and one of the best hitters on his team and that's a fact. Want to argue over what number? I'll leave that for others but here is the fact.

 

When he's inserted into the lineup his OPS will be second in the team. Whether he's the 2nd or 3rd best hitter that's a major offensive upgrade, especially when you consider the Sox have had the WORSE production at 1B. That was my point.

[Hugh2]

Saying the Sox are average in the SP department is an affront to good starting pitching. Sox starter’s ERA sits at 4.61. The Yanks, A’s, Jays, Astros, and White Sox are way ahead of them. The Tigers have a better ERA and it’s not close. The only contender with a worse starting era is Seattle and they get by on smoke and mirrors as their Pythagorean is worse than the Angels and tigers. Red Sox are 0.64 runs per 9 worse than the worst starting pitching contender, the Rays.

 

If you asked his question several weeks ago that would be a fair answer. The starting pitching was never great this year but it was good up until recently. A month ago they were about league average in starting pitching. Still, it's been their bullpen that's been great and they're tired. Many of them are on track to shatter their record IP, which is why it made sense to pick up a reliever or two at the deadline and add Houk. I hope these guys can get some rest and turn it around and I think that's what Bloom is banking on. SPrinkle Chris Sale back in and the team is set.

 

Is that a little wishful thinking? perhaps, but you won't see me moaning and whimpering because the team is in a funk. 162 game season, even 100 win teams are losing close to 40% of their games.

[Hugh2]

Schwarber .337/.491/.828

Bogaerts .353/.460/.812

Devers .338/.515/.852

JDM .354/.528/.880

 

You just added another hitter of the Bogaerts/Devers/JDM caliber to this team. Your bullpen was taxed and you added two relievers, one of which dominates lefties when your rivals got lefty bats.

 

You didn't plug up SP, but you're going to 6 man it with Houk to give these guys some rest and get Chris Sale back. Regression is normal, and some of these guys are going to pick up back up and finish the season strong and that's your #2 #3 starting pitchers behind Sale in October. Sale/Erod/Eovaldi/best of the rest.

[Bellhorn04]

Schwarber .337/.491/.828

Bogaerts .353/.460/.812

Devers .338/.515/.852

JDM .354/.528/.880

 

You just added another hitter of the Bogaerts/Devers/JDM caliber to this team. Your bullpen was taxed and you added two relievers, one of which dominates lefties when your rivals got lefty bats.

 

You didn't plug up SP, but you're going to 6 man it with Houk to give these guys some rest and get Chris Sale back. Regression is normal, and some of these guys are going to pick up back up and finish the season strong and that's your #2 #3 starting pitchers behind Sale in October. Sale/Erod/Eovaldi/best of the rest.

 

Erod is the guy. If he doesn't get it going again, it's deep doo-doo.

[Hugh2]

Erod is the guy. If he doesn't get it going again, it's deep doo-doo.

 

I may want to flip flop EROD and Eovaldi, I think Erod is going to pick it up, he's been good in stretches this year and he's been extremely unluck. If I had to pick one guy who is the most likely to turn it around in the pitching staff I'd chosen him. You better hope he does because this team needs someone to do it come October.

[Kimmi]

Erod is the guy. If he doesn't get it going again, it's deep doo-doo.

 

ERod remains one of the unluckiest pitchers in baseball. He is pitching much better than the results he is getting.

[Kimmi]

A few days after the trade deadline and Pawecki is the DH and Dalbec is the starting 1b. Something went wrong.

 

A-Rod commented on Dalbec's at bat in the 7th inning last night--Dalbec swung hopelessly at 3 pitches out of the zone with a man on third base and less than 2 outs. I don't remember A-Rod's exact words but he did highlight just how futile Dalbec looked. I have no idea why Cora didn't pinch hit for Dalbec in that spot. The Red Sox have some kind of blind spot for Dalbec, that seems pretty clear.

 

This was Bloom's first season as a general manager of a winning Red Sox team and he failed to deliver at the deadline. Let's hope he learns from this.

 

Bloom did not fail at the deadline, so he has nothing to learn from this. His priority is still the long term sustainability of this team, while at the same time keeping this year's team competitive. He did exactly what he set out to do.

 

The kind of moves that the media and fans were looking for Bloom to make are the exact types of moves that will get the team in trouble.

 

After reading Bloom's comments after the trade deadline, I'm an even bigger fan than I was before. Thank goodness he is our GM.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not going to knock Bloom about the deadline. I know his resources were limited. I am however disappointed in not acquiring a starting pitcher.

 

What's kind of funny in retrospect is all the excitement that got temporarily stirred up about Red Sox ownership 'pushing for Scherzer'. As it turned out it was a joke to think we had any chance. I wonder if that rumor was real.