2020 Trade Deadline

[Nick]

One step at a time....let's get 60 games in and re-set the luxury tax.

 

Henry will spend money. He just wants to make sure we're spending it wisely.

 

We have 4 WS titles since 2004. Give the organization time to re-organize.

 

You still have dead weights such as Pedey. We have one more year after this one.

 

There are probably many players willing to sign a one year deal for 2021. New CB agreement comes into play for 2022.

 

Many players may wait to see what the true market will be beginning 2022.

 

Good news is Yankees payroll will get more expensive quickly. But if they win the whole thing, obviously they won't care.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Nick

[dgalehouse]

In Bloom we bust .

[mvp 78]

One step at a time....let's get 60 games in and re-set the luxury tax.

 

Henry will spend money. He just wants to make sure we're spending it wisely.

 

We have 4 WS titles since 2004. Give the organization time to re-organize.

 

You still have dead weights such as Pedey. We have one more year after this one.

 

There are probably many players willing to sign a one year deal for 2021. New CB agreement comes into play for 2022.

 

Many players may wait to see what the true market will be beginning 2022.

 

Good news is Yankees payroll will get more expensive quickly. But if they win the whole thing, obviously they won't care.

 

No, he just uses bad contracts as scapegoats.

 

I didn't ever want to sign Carl Crawford! I can't possibly afford all of these large contracts that have my signature on them! There is no mandate to cut payroll! I told Bloom to get under the cap!

[vegasbob]

In Bloom we bust .

 

I see the Cubs are doing well after their WS hangover. Whose their Pres/GM ? Maybe we could get him.

[illinoisredsox]

But they paid Big Papi (who granted sometimes took what turned out to be team-friendly contracts). The Red Sox won three titles in the Ortiz era, but in all his other years that they didn't, the fans still had fun watching a great player perform, many times leading Boston into contention.

 

Some franchises may not win a ring for 86 years, but it is the star players providing sustained hope that make this entertainment product worthy of our time and investment.

 

Don’t get me wrong. I just was always stunned that Ortiz never once hit 3 in a game.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I see the Cubs are doing well after their WS hangover. Whose their Pres/GM ? Maybe we could get him.

 

Cubs are having or soon to have "we can't sign them all" issues, too. But they haven't stopped spending. They're stuck with a bad longterm pitcher signing (Kimbrel) but they didn't let that force them to trade their best player. And they remain in contention...

[mvp 78]

Cubs are having or soon to have "we can't sign them all" issues, too. But they haven't stopped spending. They're stuck with a bad longterm pitcher signing (Kimbrel) but they didn't let that force them to trade their best player. And they remain in contention...

 

Reminds me of the end of the Theo era here. Feed the monster. Monster gets out of control. You're fired.

[notin]

Cubs are having or soon to have "we can't sign them all" issues, too. But they haven't stopped spending. They're stuck with a bad longterm pitcher signing (Kimbrel) but they didn't let that force them to trade their best player. And they remain in contention...

 

After next year, Rizzo, Bryant and Baez are all free agents (assuming they pick up Rizzo’s option after this year).

 

Think they don’t trade any of them?

[jad]

If only the Red Sox had a player so good that he could hit three home runs in a game six times by the time he was 27 years old...

 

Yeah, just bad luck. Nothing to be done about it. The thing is, you gotta get rid of players like that BEFORE they hit that many. Otherwise, they get to be too pricey and you can't trade 'em. (Or is it the other way around?)

[notin]

Yeah, just bad luck. Nothing to be done about it. The thing is, you gotta get rid of players like that BEFORE they hit that many. Otherwise, they get to be too pricey and you can't trade 'em. (Or is it the other way around?)

 

 

The Sox probably could have kept Betts, but DD prioritized Sale and Eovaldi.

 

If we had Betts with this pitching staff, would this team really be any better?

[Bellhorn04]

The Sox probably could have kept Betts, but DD prioritized Sale and Eovaldi.

 

I'm not sure that's the way it worked.

 

I think the writing was on the wall when they offered Mookie 310 million and he countered with 420 million.

[mvp 78]

I'm not sure that's the way it worked.

 

I think the writing was on the wall when they offered Mookie 310 million and he countered with 420 million.

 

And he signed for the in between.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Sox probably could have kept Betts, but DD prioritized Sale and Eovaldi.

 

If we had Betts with this pitching staff, would this team really be any better?

 

It would be better to watch. I know we've had this convo before... as a fan I want fun in my pastimes; of course, winning it all is the most fun, but I watched about half of those "86 years" without a title, and most of them were highly entertaining because the Red Sox always had -- and always made sure they had -- great players to watch. Losing Lynn and Fisk were inexcusable mistakes... Tiant and Pedro were past their primes... Nomar had to go... I thought Lester needed a change of scenery, too.

 

As for Mookie... the Dodgers may not even win a single World Series in his dozen year contract (they haven't won in over 30 years). But because of him, I bet it will be more fun being a Dodger fan in the next decade than being a Red Sox fan.

[moonslav59]

It would be better to watch. I know we've had this convo before... as a fan I want fun in my pastimes; of course, winning it all is the most fun, but I watched about half of those "86 years" without a title, and most of them were highly entertaining because the Red Sox always had -- and always made sure they had -- great players to watch. Losing Lynn and Fisk were inexcusable mistakes... Tiant and Pedro were past their primes... Nomar had to go... I thought Lester needed a change of scenery, too.

 

As for Mookie... the Dodgers may not even win a single World Series in his dozen year contract (they haven't won in over 30 years). But because of him, I bet it will be more fun being a Dodger fan in the next decade than being a Red Sox fan.

 

I'm coming up on 50 years being an avid Sox fan. Betts is the best I've seen. It's a shame he's not still here, but it is what it is. I'd have paid him what the Dodgers did, but it wasn't a slam dunk choice to do so.

 

I hope bloom uses "that money" wisely. I think he will.

 

[Larry Cook]

Hang’em Chaim’s trade of Betts and price was a purely financial move. And the wrong move!

 

His signing bargain basement dead arms was a purely financial move. And the wrong move!

 

But what is done is done!

 

The next real test is can hang’em Chaim use the trade deadline to improve next year’s team or farm system?

[Tedballgame]

Worst Red Sox team in last 40 years?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Hang’em Chaim’s trade of Betts and price was a purely financial move. And the wrong move!

 

His signing bargain basement dead arms was a purely financial move. And the wrong move!

 

But what is done is done!

 

The next real test is can hang’em Chaim use the trade deadline to improve next year’s team or farm system?

 

Right now, the way the Red Sox are playing, there actually may not be a single player on the MLB roster that anyone will be willing to give up anything decent for. I'm serious; Bloom may actually have to think about dealing the Sox' top prospects -- Downs and/or Casas -- to get a minor league pitcher with the ceiling of a staff's #3 or #4 starter... that's MLB starter.

[Tedballgame]

One step at a time....let's get 60 games in and re-set the luxury tax.

 

Henry will spend money. He just wants to make sure we're spending it wisely.

 

We have 4 WS titles since 2004. Give the organization time to re-organize.

 

You still have dead weights such as Pedey. We have one more year after this one.

 

There are probably many players willing to sign a one year deal for 2021. New CB agreement comes into play for 2022.

 

Many players may wait to see what the true market will be beginning 2022.

 

Good news is Yankees payroll will get more expensive quickly. But if they win the whole thing, obviously they won't care.

 

I think the luxury tax resets if they get to Sept. 1st.

[oldtimer]

It was totally predictable that the string of games with the Rays and Yankees would go very badly and leave us with no chance of making the post season. We all knew that so the real story is what moves we can make to improve for 2021 and beyond. It has been discussed extensively but is maybe worth repeating. Admit the season is a lost cause and get the best out of the time going forward, starting tomorrow.

 

1. Be sure to reset the CBT so money can be spent going forward

2. Bring up our best prospects, both field players and pitchers, and see if any will stick.

3. Cut ties with players who we know we won't keep going forward. We know most of the names.

4. Do the best job of trading for players to fill in our holes, particularly with pitchers and pitching prospects.

5. We should get at least a couple of valuable draft picks. Use them wisely.

6. Enter the FA market with the idea of young pitchers while realizing they are in short supply.

7. Start the search for a quality young manager and for effective coaches.

8. Redirect our minors to stress pitcher development

9. Find and sign some mashers. Our lineup seems short of power hitters. Devers, JGM, Bogaerts, Vaz possibly Verdugo. and Moreland.

 

Repeat the process for the 2022 season, only keeping those individuals who show their worthiness. Perform or hit the road.

 

I believe Bloom has all these steps in mind and will not get us into ridiculous long term contracts where the risk exceeds the benefit.

[jacksonianmarch]

Guys, if you don’t have the option of fans at your games, then this is the time to suck if you have to pick it. Business decision here. It’s a smart one.

 

If I were Bloom, I’d sell off everything. The Yanks will be dominant likely through 2022 before they start getting into the “cannot extend them all” phase. Devers is a FA after 2023, so maybe you keep him. Bogey is under contract, maybe you keep him. Or maybe everyone is up for grabs and you build a core that will be ready by 2023.

[Noles_1335]

I'm coming up on 50 years being an avid Sox fan. Betts is the best I've seen. It's a shame he's not still here, but it is what it is. I'd have paid him what the Dodgers did, but it wasn't a slam dunk choice to do so.

 

I hope bloom uses "that money" wisely. I think he will.

 

With all do respect.... what would you have been able to put around him at that point! In 2021 there will be no guarantee Sale comes back healthy( that pitching motion killed his elbow) and what would we had to have given Devers by then! The farm would still be garage and we might still be looking up at the O’s! This team needs a makeover and that very well may hurt some lifelong fans feelings to see the writing on the wall come to fruition! Again with all do respect

[jacksonianmarch]

Bloom did the right thing with Betts. He would make this s*** show better, but better enough to still not be a playoff team. Nothing kills a team more than mediocrity. Getting Verdugo for 5 seasons plus a top prospect in Downs while also moving on from Price and half his contract for two seasons was a steal.

 

The biggest thing Bloom can do now is blow this up. Maybe Devers and Bogey stay. Maybe you blow them all up. Maybe they ask to be dealt. Who knows. But building a rotation on the FA market isn’t smart. You don’t have the minor league prospects to deal for top notch pitching beyond Downs and maybe Casas. You need to restock the farm and start anew. If I was Bloom, project 2023 would be the goal.

[notin]

Right now, the way the Red Sox are playing, there actually may not be a single player on the MLB roster that anyone will be willing to give up anything decent for. I'm serious; Bloom may actually have to think about dealing the Sox' top prospects -- Downs and/or Casas -- to get a minor league pitcher with the ceiling of a staff's #3 or #4 starter... that's MLB starter.

 

Serious, but also nearsighted. The whole “the team is losing so every player stinks” is a mass oversimplification. So you’re saying no MLB team would want Bogaerts or Devers?

 

I expect the Sox to trade Workman and Barnes, and possibly Hembree. But that might be a bit much as the big obstacle will be how many teams want to make deals knowing the post season might be cancelled...

[mvp 78]

Mookirle would need 180 RBI in a 60 game season for this team to be competitive.

[mvp 78]

Cardinals playing a double header today. First game since July.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Serious, but also nearsighted. The whole “the team is losing so every player stinks” is a mass oversimplification. So you’re saying no MLB team would want Bogaerts or Devers?

 

I expect the Sox to trade Workman and Barnes, and possibly Hembree. But that might be a bit much as the big obstacle will be how many teams want to make deals knowing the post season might be cancelled...

 

Not what I'm saying -- when I said it's improbable a team would give up anything decent right now, I was actually agreeing with you that a club like the Reds would refuse to swap their No. 3 starter for Bogaerts (even though both were stars last year).

 

Unless it's two also-rans blowing it up and tossing shrapnel at each other, it's just highly unlikely any new viable prospects will be here by the end of the month.

Edited August 15, 2020 by 5GoldGloves:OF,75

[dgalehouse]

There are basically two ways to win big in baseball . 1 - You can obtain and develop enough young players until ( hopefully) they ripen into stars . 2- You can spend what it takes to acquire top talent through free agency and trades . Either method can succeed or fail . As a rule, method number two, spending , is more likely to win pennants and championships. However , it may not be as much fun for the armchair G.M.s.

[jacksonianmarch]

Any team looking to deal isn’t looking for a rental these days. Remember, butts in seats and merchandise are very, very important. Well, no seats to sit in and merchandise has to be horribly low. That’s why I disagree that Bogaerts or Devers would return nothing. But here’s the biggest issue. There’s literally no minor leagues right now. No ebb and flow of development. No scouting of the alternate sites. Nothing. Aside from players on 28 man rosters, who would you deal for? Any SR on them is a year old, who knows if it’s accurate?

 

Bogaerts on a long term, reasonable contract is incredibly valuable. Devers, likewise, assuming he breaks out of his slump. These guys would bring back a haul that in 2019 time would be massive. Who knows if the 2020 haul would be worth it.

 

That’s why I can foresee a salary dump like Eovaldi. Maybe he performs well enough to be dumped off for next to nothing and the Sox just gets out from under his money

[oldtimer]

I see that players can expect to get private jet service to their new teams when traded. Takes away one of the negatives.

[jacksonianmarch]

No point in having these bubbles if you can deal a player and transport them with the masses