2020 Trade Deadline

[Tedballgame]

If the season makes it to August 31st, who do the Red Sox try to trade?

 

J.D.? I would offer him a couple million more on his last two seasons with no opt outs. If he turns it down, trade him.

 

JBJ: Trade him.

 

Bennintendi: Won't get much if he isn't hitting. He's cheap now. Keep him and hope he figures it out.

 

Barnes: Trade him

 

Workman: Trade him

 

Moreland: Trade him

 

Only untouchables are Bogie, Devers and E-Rod.

[Bellhorn04]

I wouldn't trade JD or Eovaldi either. I'd want to keep those two plus Bogie, Devers and E-Rod. A tiny core to build around for 2021 and 2022.

 

E-Rod is actually a free agent after 2021, so that's a bit of an issue.

[jacksonianmarch]

ERod has a heart issue. He is not tradeable at the moment

[mvp 78]

JBJ would have no takers because his salary is too high. Maybe the Sox eat a lot of it?

 

It's more likely that they move Pillar.

 

For Benintendi, you'd be selling low so it makes more sense to hold onto him.

 

JD could possibly be traded, but it's a hard sell when you don't know what the NL will do about the DH long term. I don't think he opts out at any point.

 

Barnes/Workman/Hembree/any other relief arm should be available. The only reliever I would not deal is DHern and maybe a young guy like Taylor.

 

Moreland isn't going anywhere and I bet he re-signs here next year for another 1 year deal.

 

I don't think anyone is untouchable (Xander, Raffy, whoever), but I don't believe there's a trade out there right now that would make it worthwhile to move them in season (considering that you can only trade for other teams' player pool guys).

 

Peraza could probably be moved cheaply if he continues to hit.

 

I can't think of many starting catchers that are moved during the season, so I don't think Vaz is going anywhere.

 

They almost have to keep Martin Perez just to eat innings.

[mvp 78]

I wouldn't trade JD or Eovaldi either. I'd want to keep those two plus Bogie, Devers and E-Rod. A tiny core to build around for 2021 and 2022.

 

E-Rod is actually a free agent after 2021, so that's a bit of an issue.

 

I think the core is: Vaz, Bogey, Devers, Beni, Verdugo, ERod, Sale.

[jacksonianmarch]

JBJ would have no takers because his salary is too high. Maybe the Sox eat a lot of it?

 

It's more likely that they move Pillar.

 

For Benintendi, you'd be selling low so it makes more sense to hold onto him.

 

JD could possibly be traded, but it's a hard sell when you don't know what the NL will do about the DH long term. I don't think he opts out at any point.

 

Barnes/Workman/Hembree/any other relief arm should be available. The only reliever I would not deal is DHern and maybe a young guy like Taylor.

 

Moreland isn't going anywhere and I bet he re-signs here next year for another 1 year deal.

 

I don't think anyone is untouchable (Xander, Raffy, whoever), but I don't believe there's a trade out there right now that would make it worthwhile to move them in season (considering that you can only trade for other teams' player pool guys).

 

Peraza could probably be moved cheaply if he continues to hit.

 

I can't think of many starting catchers that are moved during the season, so I don't think Vaz is going anywhere.

 

They almost have to keep Martin Perez just to eat innings.

 

The keys were handed to Bloom. Henry has influence, sure, but Bloom has the keys. Henry and Bloom need to sit down and assess the direction of the club. If they go full on rebuild with a pretty rough minor league system and a team that is full of broken down parts, then it would behoove them to deal off Devers and Bogey. There is no point in having 2 stars on your roster if your team finishes in the basement. It will also depend on how hard Henry wants to fight to keep Devers. Henry is the one who tried to sign Betts and he was not successful. You want a generational talent before through and unfortunately after prime, you have to pay them like one. Devers is a generational talent. He's a hitting master with power for days who will get better offensively. The issue you have with Devers that you didn't with Betts is that Devers has a very thick lower half and has the build of a guy who will get large long term and would end up at 1b. Do you want to bet on Devers as a 35-36-37 yr old being productive? Or will he turn into a Pujols or Cabrera? That is something they need to assess. Because the return for him would be enormous and if done correctly, could kick start the next dynasty. Remember, Bloom is okay with drafting, but is next level when it comes to dealing off All-Star talent.

[Bellhorn04]

I think the core is: Vaz, Bogey, Devers, Beni, Verdugo, ERod, Sale.

 

Fair enough. I like JD and Eovaldi so I'm biased toward keeping them. I forgot Vaz. He's under control through 2022 fairly cheap, he's a must-keep.

[Bellhorn04]

The keys were handed to Bloom. Henry has influence, sure, but Bloom has the keys. Henry and Bloom need to sit down and assess the direction of the club. If they go full on rebuild with a pretty rough minor league system and a team that is full of broken down parts, then it would behoove them to deal off Devers and Bogey. There is no point in having 2 stars on your roster if your team finishes in the basement. It will also depend on how hard Henry wants to fight to keep Devers. Henry is the one who tried to sign Betts and he was not successful. You want a generational talent before through and unfortunately after prime, you have to pay them like one. Devers is a generational talent. He's a hitting master with power for days who will get better offensively. The issue you have with Devers that you didn't with Betts is that Devers has a very thick lower half and has the build of a guy who will get large long term and would end up at 1b. Do you want to bet on Devers as a 35-36-37 yr old being productive? Or will he turn into a Pujols or Cabrera? That is something they need to assess. Because the return for him would be enormous and if done correctly, could kick start the next dynasty. Remember, Bloom is okay with drafting, but is next level when it comes to dealing off All-Star talent.

 

Henry and Werner have assured the fans there would no full-on rebuild.

[jacksonianmarch]

Fair enough. I like JD and Eovaldi so I'm biased toward keeping them. I forgot Vaz. He's under control through 2022 fairly cheap, he's a must-keep.

 

Same deal with Vaz as with Devers. You've got Vaz for less time than Devers. Vaz also plays a position that ages faster than others. If you are expecting title contention in 21-22, then you gotta keep him. If you are expecting to rebuild in 21-22, then deal him off. By 2023, he could be cooked physically

[jacksonianmarch]

Henry and Werner have assured the fans there would no full-on rebuild.

 

Listen, I honestly hope they aren't blowing smoke. As a Yankee fan, I want the sox to avoid a full on rebuild. The timing of their farm with their team is completely out of sync. If the sox end up spending money to fix their issues, they'll be right back here needing to reset and with no titles in hand and likely still being a doormat. And they will be resetting when the Yanks reset, which means they wont take advantage of their window.

[Bellhorn04]

Listen, I honestly hope they aren't blowing smoke. As a Yankee fan, I want the sox to avoid a full on rebuild. The timing of their farm with their team is completely out of sync. If the sox end up spending money to fix their issues, they'll be right back here needing to reset and with no titles in hand and likely still being a doormat. And they will be resetting when the Yanks reset, which means they wont take advantage of their window.

 

I think Henry would let Bloom spend up to the tax threshold, but figures Bloom will spread that money around and not burn it on risky long-term deals.

 

Just guessing of course.

[mvp 78]

The keys were handed to Bloom. Henry has influence, sure, but Bloom has the keys. Henry and Bloom need to sit down and assess the direction of the club. If they go full on rebuild with a pretty rough minor league system and a team that is full of broken down parts, then it would behoove them to deal off Devers and Bogey. There is no point in having 2 stars on your roster if your team finishes in the basement. It will also depend on how hard Henry wants to fight to keep Devers. Henry is the one who tried to sign Betts and he was not successful. You want a generational talent before through and unfortunately after prime, you have to pay them like one. Devers is a generational talent. He's a hitting master with power for days who will get better offensively. The issue you have with Devers that you didn't with Betts is that Devers has a very thick lower half and has the build of a guy who will get large long term and would end up at 1b. Do you want to bet on Devers as a 35-36-37 yr old being productive? Or will he turn into a Pujols or Cabrera? That is something they need to assess. Because the return for him would be enormous and if done correctly, could kick start the next dynasty. Remember, Bloom is okay with drafting, but is next level when it comes to dealing off All-Star talent.

 

1. I don't believe Henry was a driving factor in signing Betts. I think he wanted to get under the cap more than anything else.

 

2. I wouldn't give Devers a 10 year extension. I think you could safely do a 7 year extension sooner than later and keep him around for his prime. However, if Bloom can get a good return for Devers, he might as well (unless he believes he's going to compete in 2021 or 2022.

[mvp 78]

Fair enough. I like JD and Eovaldi so I'm biased toward keeping them. I forgot Vaz. He's under control through 2022 fairly cheap, he's a must-keep.

 

Eovaldi's injury history is what scares me off on him.

[mvp 78]

Listen, I honestly hope they aren't blowing smoke. As a Yankee fan, I want the sox to avoid a full on rebuild. The timing of their farm with their team is completely out of sync. If the sox end up spending money to fix their issues, they'll be right back here needing to reset and with no titles in hand and likely still being a doormat. And they will be resetting when the Yanks reset, which means they wont take advantage of their window.

 

I think the issue of resetting goes away in the next CBA.

[notin]

If say the trade bait is:

 

Bradley

Pillar

Workman

Hembree

Perez

Moreland

 

Realistically they all won’t be moved and probably won’t bring back much if anything, since many teams are going to be holding back. No point in going all in for a postseason that might never happen.

 

Workman is the best piece. Followed by either Perez or Hembree. Pitchers, and especially relievers, historically seem to fetch better returns than position players.

 

The Sox might try to move Martinez as well, as he can opt out anyway. And while his value as a free agent might not net him the salary ($19.38 million) he is owed over the next two years, he might be able to increase his years. If the NL retains the DH, his chances of opting out should go way up. So he certainly could be tradable. Not sure he brings back much, either, as a rental DH in a season where the playoffs are in jeopardy...

[notin]

Henry and Werner have assured the fans there would no full-on rebuild.

 

That’s because “rebuilding” is ownerspeak for “saving money”. The chances of a rebuild putting together anything but a bad team even long term are historically very high...

[Tedballgame]

I wouldn't trade JD or Eovaldi either. I'd want to keep those two plus Bogie, Devers and E-Rod. A tiny core to build around for 2021 and 2022.

 

E-Rod is actually a free agent after 2021, so that's a bit of an issue.

 

I would also hang on to Eovaldi. They have to have some starting pitching. If he can stay healthy he is a legitimate #2 or #3 starter. Plus, he likes Boston and can handle it. I like J.D. and hope they keep him and I hope he doesn't opt out. I would only trade him this season if he indicates he is opting out.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Realistically, the only guys who would bring back a good return at the end of this month are players we'd want to keep: Devers, Bogaerts and Vazquez. I'd hang on to Verdugo's young energy.

 

JD, if he's mashing, might net an arm with promise. Same with Eovaldi, if he has a great month, because he's a proven postseason game-changer. I don't expect any of the rest of the entire pitching staff to be worth much, except maybe Valdez if he keeps it up -- and Bloom would deal him in a second.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the issue of resetting goes away in the next CBA.

 

Owners are still not going to be willing to spend to infinity. They’ll have a budget and there’s no way the rest of the owners will allow the chicanery of the early 2000s to go on again without a Lux tax.

 

The point is, this is the “cliff” that I talked about. This is what DD does to teams. He builds them up and leaves the farm to burn. In this day and age, young players take the guaranteed money and don’t hit the market until contract #2 when they’re exiting prime. It’s not as easy as it used to be to get generational free agent talent. You’ve got to develop your core and spend to fill in. Your core beyond 3 players (Vaz, Bogey, and Devers) is pretty rotten with almost nothing on the mound. It’s far more difficult to get pitching on the market right now. If would be best for the Sox to move their stars and get young, top notch pitching and build that way

[Maxbialystock]

I think the core is: Vaz, Bogey, Devers, Beni, Verdugo, ERod, Sale.

 

About right.

[mvp 78]

If say the trade bait is:

 

Bradley

Pillar

Workman

Hembree

Perez

Moreland

 

Realistically they all won’t be moved and probably won’t bring back much if anything, since many teams are going to be holding back. No point in going all in for a postseason that might never happen.

 

Workman is the best piece. Followed by either Perez or Hembree. Pitchers, and especially relievers, historically seem to fetch better returns than position players.

 

The Sox might try to move Martinez as well, as he can opt out anyway. And while his value as a free agent might not net him the salary ($19.38 million) he is owed over the next two years, he might be able to increase his years. If the NL retains the DH, his chances of opting out should go way up. So he certainly could be tradable. Not sure he brings back much, either, as a rental DH in a season where the playoffs are in jeopardy...

 

It makes no sense to keep talking about his opt outs. There is no way he's opting out because he'd get less on the FA market.

[notin]

It makes no sense to keep talking about his opt outs. There is no way he's opting out because he'd get less on the FA market.

 

As I said in the post, he might not get the same money per year, but he might get more years.

 

If the NL retains the DH, his appeal does double...

[mvp 78]

As I said in the post, he might not get the same money per year, but he might get more years.

 

If the NL retains the DH, his appeal does double...

 

My guess is that it doesn't.

[moonslav59]

If say the trade bait is:

 

Bradley

Pillar

Workman

Hembree

Perez

Moreland

 

Realistically they all won’t be moved and probably won’t bring back much if anything, since many teams are going to be holding back. No point in going all in for a postseason that might never happen.

 

Workman is the best piece. Followed by either Perez or Hembree. Pitchers, and especially relievers, historically seem to fetch better returns than position players.

 

The Sox might try to move Martinez as well, as he can opt out anyway. And while his value as a free agent might not net him the salary ($19.38 million) he is owed over the next two years, he might be able to increase his years. If the NL retains the DH, his chances of opting out should go way up. So he certainly could be tradable. Not sure he brings back much, either, as a rental DH in a season where the playoffs are in jeopardy...

 

I'd move them all for the best we can get, even if it doesn't seem like enough.

 

I'd even pay part of JD's salary to improve the return.

 

I'd add Barnes to the list, but we'd probably have to pay someone to take him, at this point.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

ERod has a heart issue. He is not tradeable at the moment

 

Im more concerned that his career could possibly be over

[notin]

I'd move them all for the best we can get, even if it doesn't seem like enough.

 

I'd even pay part of JD's salary to improve the return.

 

I'd add Barnes to the list, but we'd probably have to pay someone to take him, at this point.

 

After 4 IP Barnes is toast?

 

Barnes saw his K/9 go up three straight seasons (along with his BB/9) and is still a good relief pitcher with control left.

 

With the possible exception of Workman, Barnes is more tradable than anyone else mentioned.

[oldtimer]

After 4 IP Barnes is toast?

 

Barnes saw his K/9 go up three straight seasons (along with his BB/9) and is still a good relief pitcher with control left.

 

With the possible exception of Workman, Barnes is more tradable than anyone else mentioned.

 

I wonder how eager any team will be to trade for players in this shortened season with the threat of cancellation still looming. I am for the Sox trading away players that won't help them in 2021 and 2022.

[mvp 78]

After 4 IP Barnes is toast?

 

Barnes saw his K/9 go up three straight seasons (along with his BB/9) and is still a good relief pitcher with control left.

 

With the possible exception of Workman, Barnes is more tradable than anyone else mentioned.

 

His FB velo is down almost 2 mph and is relying too much on his curveball (60%) and right now that curveball is a pitch that is either hittable or far enough out of the zone for an easy take.

[mvp 78]

I wonder how eager any team will be to trade for players in this shortened season with the threat of cancellation still looming. I am for the Sox trading away players that won't help them in 2021 and 2022.

 

I can't imagine the returns on a trade would be very good at this point unless there are multiple years of control left for the players involved.

[notin]

My guess is that it doesn't.

 

He might not.

 

With no virus issue this year, it's a no-brainer he opts out. But as it stands now, there are reasons he should and reasons he shouldn't...