The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[oldtimer]

JBj is the best CFer in the league and the greatest defensive CFer to ever play for the Boston Red Sox.

Sox lost today with JBj on the bench. coincidence? nope.

 

You have to be kidding!

[Kimmi]

He may or may not be, I don't know because I haven't seen Kiermaier play enough to make a decision. What I am confident of is that JBJ's stellar defense all year more than offsets his offensive deficiencies during his slumps. Which has nothing to do with Keirmaier.

 

Dare I say it?

 

That's what the stats are for.

[Kimmi]

I think a lot of it is just the 'we can upgrade there!' mentality, similar to yours with the catching position.

 

When the rest of the offense isn't really doing its job either, Jackie becomes the scapegoat.

[jad]

When the rest of the offense isn't really doing its job either, Jackie becomes the scapegoat.

 

At a .138 clip, how does he deserve more than that?

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

At some point you have to thank him for his contributions and then move on. He's got too much roller coaster in his game. Need more consistency.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

If he can get hot between now and the trade deadline, the Red Sox should consider trading him at the deadline if the Red Sox can get a nice return. Bradley Jr. isn't going to be in Boston beyond the 2020 season anyway.

 

If you trade Bradley jr. at the trade deadline (assuming the Red Sox are sellers at that point) the Red Sox will need a CF for 2020. They need a catcher for 2020 as well.

 

I doubt Duran will be ready in 2020. On the other hand, Duran should get promoted to AA soon and if he keeps hitting there, he won't be far from the big leagues.

Edited April 24, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[notin]

If he can get hot between now and the trade deadline, the Red Sox should consider trading him at the deadline if the Red Sox can get a nice return. Bradley Jr. isn't going to be in Boston beyond the 2020 season anyway.

 

If you trade Bradley jr. at the trade deadline (assuming the Red Sox are sellers at that point) the Red Sox will need a CF for 2020. They need a catcher for 2020 as well.

 

I doubt Duran will be ready in 2020. On the other hand, Duran should get promoted to AA soon and if he keeps hitting there, he won't be far from the big leagues.

 

Duran is in A ball. Let’s not hand him starting roles yet.

 

The Sox will still have Vazquez in 2020.

 

I do think that unless massive changes occur in how this team is playing, Bradley is definitely trade bait come July. The bigger question will be finding a partner to make a worthwhile deal.

 

And that also leaves the question - who else is trade bait? Certainly Porcello, and Holt and Nunez, assuming either is healthy. Should the Sox consider moving Martinez and hope he opts out do they can re-sign him? What about Price? I’m sure the bullpen is available, except maybe Barnes. ERod? Anyone else?

Edited April 24, 2019 by notin

[S5Dewey]

Dare I say it?

 

That's what the stats are for.

 

I never have disputed the value of stats. It's just that some people overrate their value. There's plenty of room for both stats and 'the eye test' in evaluating a player. Someone mentioned recently that JBJ has a defensive WAR this year of negative 0.2. That means that according to WAR he's defensively worse than a replacement player - not the average player.. but a replacement player. Essentially a AAAA guy.

 

Now, I'm not saying that this is a reason to ignore all of WAR - it's not. But it is reason to recognize that there can be some significant problems with WAR and especially defensive WAR. That is, unless you truly believe that JBJ is worse defensively than Bryce Brentz.

[Bellhorn04]

I never have disputed the value of stats. It's just that some people overrate their value. There's plenty of room for both stats and 'the eye test' in evaluating a player. Someone mentioned recently that JBJ has a defensive WAR this year of negative 0.2. That means that according to WAR he's defensively worse than a replacement player - not the average player.. but a replacement player. Essentially a AAAA guy.

 

Now, I'm not saying that this is a reason to ignore all of WAR - it's not. But it is reason to recognize that there can be some significant problems with WAR and especially defensive WAR. That is, unless you truly believe that JBJ is worse defensively than Bryce Brentz.

 

I believe that metrics people will tell you that with defensive WAR using small samples should probably be avoided.

[S5Dewey]

I believe that metrics people will tell you that with defensive WAR using small samples should probably be avoided.

 

I agree, but at the same time IMO it raises the question of the definition of "small". And what could JBJ have done defensively that would have given him a negative defensive WAR???

 

I actually like most of the stats but I also need to have the newer ones proven to me before I buy into them. IMO like many stats WAR is useful in expressing generalities but as I keep saying, it's not the be-all, end-all of statistics.

[OH FOY]

Baseball is a tough game. 90% of the time the Fans don't have patience.

[notin]

I agree, but at the same time IMO it raises the question of the definition of "small". And what could JBJ have done defensively that would have given him a negative defensive WAR???

 

I actually like most of the stats but I also need to have the newer ones proven to me before I buy into them. IMO like many stats WAR is useful in expressing generalities but as I keep saying, it's not the be-all, end-all of statistics.

 

Bradley’sow defensive metrics aren’t a result of ability, but more likely a result of opportunity. Currently he ranks 19th (out of 23 qualifying CFs) in total plays. And only one CF with fewer opportunities has a slightly better defensive rank, probably due to a higher percentage of his plays being out of zone.

 

If a player is simply not as involved defensively, then he isn’t going to rank as highly as players who are more involved. But even those Rick solid believable offensive stats work this way...

[mvp 78]

I know you are kidding and all, but people actually believe that.

 

He's not kidding.

[mvp 78]

Dare I say it?

 

That's what the stats are for.

 

Stats don't work if they don't agree with your conclusions!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dgalehouse]

I believe that metrics people will tell you that with defensive WAR using small samples should probably be avoided.

 

I would tell the metrics people that defensive WAR should be taken with a grain of salt.

[mvp 78]

I would tell the metrics people that defensive WAR should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

As opposed to regular WAR?

[Bellhorn04]

I would tell the metrics people that defensive WAR should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

Take the small samples with a grain of salt. But if you look at bigger samples they make more sense. And good defensive players like JBJ benefit hugely.

[dgalehouse]

Take the small samples with a grain of salt. But if you look at bigger samples they make more sense. And good defensive players like JBJ benefit hugely.

 

Don't trust your " eye test " . Go by defensive WAR / UZR , which is essentially someone else's " eye test ."

[Bellhorn04]

Don't trust your " eye test " . Go by defensive WAR / UZR , which is essentially someone else's " eye test ."

 

I certainly don't watch all the games, so my eye test is pretty useless, other than I know JBJ can go get 'em...

[Slasher9]

He's not kidding.

 

Except for the last sentence. That one was kidding.

[dgalehouse]

If we are thinking of getting rid of anyone, let's start in the announce booth . Dave O' Brien has been there way too long . Listening to him and his annoying voice and inane drivel is the worst part of the ballgame.

[notin]

I would tell the metrics people that defensive WAR should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

 

But “eye test” from fans who primarily watch one team have merit?

 

Go to a Rays board and tell them how unimpressed you were with Keirmaier. Think they will agree?

[SCM33]

If we are thinking of getting rid of anyone, let's start in the announce booth . Dave O' Brien has been there way too long . Listening to him and his annoying voice and inane drivel is the worst part of the ballgame.

 

Thats a first. Team sucks, get rid of the announcer!

[dgalehouse]

Thats a first. Team sucks, get rid of the announcer!

 

It might not improve the team , but it would make it easier to watch them win or lose .

[mvp 78]

Except for the last sentence. That one was kidding.

 

Yup.

[mvp 78]

If we are thinking of getting rid of anyone, let's start in the announce booth . Dave O' Brien has been there way too long . Listening to him and his annoying voice and inane drivel is the worst part of the ballgame.

 

OB is fine when paired with someone who has personality (Eck, Jerry). Randos like Salty, Dinardo, et al should never be allowed in the booth. Just horrible.

[oldtimer]

Thats a first. Team sucks, get rid of the announcer!

 

The Sox are doing their best to get rid of the fans.

[mvp 78]

The Sox are doing their best to get rid of the fans.

 

They already bought their seats for this year. It'll just impact beer sales.

[Kimmi]

Some very sobering JBJ stats:

 

Boston Sports Info‏ @bostonsportsinf 17m17 minutes ago

 

JBJ ranks this season among the 870 Red Sox batters that had a minimum of 50 AB's thru the team's first 24 games in team history

 

BA - .134 - 864th

 

OBP - .203 - 860th

 

SLG - .164 - 863rd

 

OPS - .367 - 866th

[cp176]

It might not improve the team , but it would make it easier to watch them win or lose .

 

turn volume down - lol