The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[mvp 78]

Bellhorn and I don’t agree on a lot of things but he’s 100 percent correct here.

 

He's completely wrong though. The 2018 average CFer OPS for guys with qualified plate appearances was 781. If you exclude Trout, it's still 761.

 

If he's looking at 2019, well even 2019 JBJ is well below the average.

[mvp 78]

Like I said, he always end up over .700.

 

And last year he was excellent the whole second half of the season and the postseason.

 

Ends up over 700, but is still well below average and towards the bottom of starting CFers. If that's a feather in his cap, I don't know what to say.

[notin]

Ends up over 700, but is still well below average and towards the bottom of starting CFers. If that's a feather in his cap, I don't know what to say.

 

Coupled with defense, he’s not the bottom.

 

From 2016-2018, he accrued 10.2 fWAR, which was 7th among MLB center fielders. He ranked 4th in the defense component in that time, behind Kiermeier, Hamilton and Pillar. And only 0.1 behind Pillar.

 

None of Kiermeier, Hamilton, nor Pillar had a higher fWAR overall than Bradley...

[mvp 78]

Coupled with defense, he’s not the bottom.

 

Bell's argument wasn't about his defense though. I am in full agreement that his great defense offsets his s***** bat. I just think people need to stop making excuses for his s***** bat.

[Slasher9]

If you cloned JBJ and he played every position, your team would be lucky to sniff 50 wins in the season and that's being generous

 

There are only a couple positions in baseball that are defense first / offense doesn’t matter. JBj plays one of them. But you already knew that as an astute baseball fan...

[Slasher9]

Some people on here are just buzzarding; waiting for a hot streak from JBJ to say "I told you so" no matter how late in the season it comes.

 

And some people on here don’t care if the hot streak ever comes but still think he should be the starting CFer for the Boston Red Sox.

[Slasher9]

He's completely wrong though. The 2018 average CFer OPS for guys with qualified plate appearances was 781. If you exclude Trout, it's still 761.

 

If he's looking at 2019, well even 2019 JBJ is well below the average.

 

How many of those other CFers were ALCS mvp? And then rode in a parade?

[Slasher9]

Some players are underrated while others are overrated and this is the case for JBJ other than in the eye of Red Sox Nation this guy is way overrated he's nothing more than a Coco Crisp or Kevin Pillar type player.

 

Hahaha. Welcome back.

[mvp 78]

How many of those other CFers were ALCS mvp? And then rode in a parade?

 

All of them.

[mvp 78]

And some people on here don’t care if the hot streak ever comes but still think he should be the starting CFer for the Boston Red Sox.

 

Like me.

[mvp 78]

There are only a couple positions in baseball that are defense first / offense doesn’t matter. JBj plays one of them. But you already knew that as an astute baseball fan...

 

C is the only position where offense doesn’t matter. CF offense matters a little.

[notin]

C is the only position where offense doesn’t matter. CF offense matters a little.

 

 

Catcher is defense.

 

CF and SS are the next most important positions for it.

 

If you think CF offense only matters a little, JBJ is certainly capable of a little offense, as history has shown...

[jad]

But then again, there are a few CFers in the league who can make great plays and ALSO hit occasionally. (Did you see Trout's catch last night?)

[Bellhorn04]

Bell's argument wasn't about his defense though. I am in full agreement that his great defense offsets his s***** bat. I just think people need to stop making excuses for his s***** bat.

 

When did I say his defense wasn't part of my argument? All I'm saying is that his offense isn't that bad. s***** is a bad word. He's slightly below average and that's it.

[moonslav59]

C is the only position where offense doesn’t matter. CF offense matters a little.

 

Yes, and JBJ is not bad on offense, unless you think he will continue like this all year- which he won't.

[notin]

But then again, there are a few CFers in the league who can make great plays and ALSO hit occasionally. (Did you see Trout's catch last night?)

 

 

And that’s one reason Trout makes a bit more money than Bradley...

[mvp 78]

How many of those other CFers were ALCS mvp? And then rode in a parade?

 

If offense didn’t matter, he wouldn’t have won the mvp.

[harmony]

Jackie Bradley Jr. might be at least a poor man’s Paul Blair.

 

Blair, the two-time All Star and eight-time Gold Glover as the Baltimore center fielder, posted 37.8 bWAR in 1,947 career games.

 

Bradley has posted 12.1 bWAR in 691 games.

 

Bradley has value.

[mvp 78]

Yes, and JBJ is not bad on offense, unless you think he will continue like this all year- which he won't.

 

Well below average.

[mvp 78]

When did I say his defense wasn't part of my argument? All I'm saying is that his offense isn't that bad. s***** is a bad word. He's slightly below average and that's it.

 

Offense is bottom 5 for starting CFers. It's bad.

[moonslav59]

Offense is bottom 5 for starting CFers. It's bad.

 

This year, after like 30 games, yes, but why look at only that sample size?

 

When has any 30 game sample size been a good predictor of what is to come?

 

JBJ has been about an average CF hitter, even in his down years. He will likely be there again this year.

[Bellhorn04]

offense is bottom 5 for starting cfers. It's bad.

 

sss

[moonslav59]

Offense is bottom 5 for starting CFers. It's bad.

 

Even cherry-piking a worse sample size by not including 2015 and 2016, here's how JBJ ranks from 2017-2018:

 

24th out of 31 CF'ers with 850+ PAs (.721 was .019 from the league average of .740 and .039 from the mean of .760).

 

That's not great, but it's close to the average and mean.

 

His defense made up for the below average offense.

 

If you count 2015 and 2016, he's above average.

 

Of course, if he stays below .400, his defense does not make up for that kind of offense.

Edited April 25, 2019 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

sss

 

2018 was a small sample size?

[mvp 78]

Even cherry-piking a worse sample size by not including 2015 and 2016, here's how JBJ ranks from 2017-2018:

 

24th out of 31 CF'ers with 850+ PAs (.721 was .019 from the league average of .740 and .039 from the mean of .760).

 

That's not great, but it's close to the average and mean.

 

His defense made up for the below average offense.

 

If you count 2015 and 2016, he's above average.

 

Of course, if he stays below .400, his defense does not make up for that kind of offense.

 

I agree that his glove makes up for some of his defensive deficiencies. I just think it's ok to talk about his struggles at the bat. Don't sugar coat it by selling "well he gets to 700 by the end of the year" when 700 is still at the bottom for the position.

[mvp 78]

This year, after like 30 games, yes, but why look at only that sample size?

 

When has any 30 game sample size been a good predictor of what is to come?

 

JBJ has been about an average CF hitter, even in his down years. He will likely be there again this year.

 

No, this was last year. He was not good.

[mvp 78]

The 2018 average CFer OPS for guys with qualified plate appearances was 781. If you exclude Trout, it's still 761.

 

There's nothing else to say about it. 700 is not good. It's terrible.

[OH FOY]

72 at bats, that does it for me...Trade him.

[moonslav59]

There's nothing else to say about it. 700 is not good. It's terrible.

 

.717 is not good, I agree, but it's not "terrible" for CF'ers.

 

Only 22 CF'ers qualified last year.

 

The AL CF OPS was .702 in 2018. Yes, there were better hitters who played CF last year, but JBJ was not terrible. He hit above the AL OPS for all CF'ers. I agree, that does not make him a "good" hitter or above average, but he was not terrible.

 

JBJ placed 10th out of 17 AL CF'ers with 300+ PAs in 2018. Not good. Not terrible.

Edited April 25, 2019 by moonslav59

[notin]

There's nothing else to say about it. 700 is not good. It's terrible.

 

 

So a hitter with a .270 OBP and .430 SLG is “terrible”?

 

 

Sorry, Salvador Perez. You’re terrible...