The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[OH FOY]

50 games (or about), for Betts next year to a team that will probably lose him. Don't think you'll get a haul, maybe a teams 3rd or 4th best Prospect, definitely wont get best Pitching Prospect.

Pitching is so precious today, these GM's Know it.

Edited August 4, 2019 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

50 games (or about), for Betts next year to a team that will probably lose him. Don't think you'll get a haul, maybe a teams 3rd or 4th best Prospect, definitely wont get best Pitching Prospect.

Pitching is so precious today, these GM's Know it.

 

Betts is a known quantity. Prospects are not.

 

Betts could be all a GM thinks he needs to "put him over the top."

 

I think Betts would net us a top prospect of 2 or 3 of a team's top 5 prospects at the 2020 deadline, assuming he's over .880.

[OH FOY]

You wont get a Teams Top Pitching Prospect for a Rental, and that's what we need. Especially a Positional Player. When teams give up Top Pitching Prospects its because your usually sending them a Pitcher too, a very good Pitcher.

[OH FOY]

Teams are valuing their Prospects now more then ever. Houston with all they gave up, still has a strong Minor League, system. One of the Top 5 still.

[moonslav59]

You wont get a Teams Top Pitching Prospect for a Rental, and that's what we need. Especially a Positional Player. When teams give up Top Pitching Prospects its because your usually sending them a Pitcher too, a very good Pitcher.

 

I disagree. Betts is quite the "positional player." He is a GG defender. He hits for BA & power. He runs the bases very well.

 

He's not Encarnacion.

 

The Guardians just traded 1.3 years of Bauer for the rental Puig (plus some prospects).

 

While the O's did not get a #1 pitching prospect for Machado, they did get a prospect that became their #1 prospect plus 3 other pretty good prospects for a rental last summer.

 

[moonslav59]

Teams are valuing their Prospects now more then ever. Houston with all they gave up, still has a strong Minor League, system. One of the Top 5 still.

 

But, they gave up 3 of their top 5 for a $35M pitcher.

[Bellhorn04]

But, they gave up 3 of their top 5 for a $35M pitcher.

 

They also got $24 million against Greinke's remaining salaries.

[dgalehouse]

But, they gave up 3 of their top 5 for a $35M pitcher.

 

Houston may have picked up a real sleeper in Sanchez . He was dying in Toronto , but he has a very good arm . The results in Houston could be very different .

[moonslav59]

They also got $24 million against Greinke's remaining salaries.

 

Yes, but they will still be paying about $25M/yr and be losing 3 of their top 5 prospects.

 

I think the Astros are trying to replicate the Verlander deal. They just shortened their window while increasing their odds of winning over the next 2.3 seasons.

[dgalehouse]

I disagree. Betts is quite the "positional player." He is a GG defender. He hits for BA & power. He runs the bases very well.

 

He's not Encarnacion.

 

The Guardians just traded 1.3 years of Bauer for the rental Puig (plus some prospects).

 

While the O's did not get a #1 pitching prospect for Machado, they did get a prospect that became their #1 prospect plus 3 other pretty good prospects for a rental last summer.

 

Betts is a franchise type player . They don't come along too often . You do everything you can to keep them .

[moonslav59]

Betts is a franchise type player . They don't come along too often . You do everything you can to keep them .

 

I agree. I do not want to trade him. I was just arguing that his trade value is higher, even as a rental, than some here seem to think it is.

 

I'd seek to extend him. If he will not extend, I'd think about trading him, but I'd let it be known I want him back as a FA the following winter.

 

I can see the point made about not trading him and losing him to free agency for just a comp pick for the declined QO.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, but they will still be paying about $25M/yr and be losing 3 of their top 5 prospects.

 

I think the Astros are trying to replicate the Verlander deal. They just shortened their window while increasing their odds of winning over the next 2.3 seasons.

 

I like the move for Houston. It's aggressive as hell. We'll see how it pays off.

[moonslav59]

I like the move for Houston. It's aggressive as hell. We'll see how it pays off.

 

The Astros have balanced the win now philosophy with the keep a strong future philosophy pretty well, but I think these recent trades tilted the balance to the point where they will suffer, like we are now, by shortening their window.

 

They should be the faves for this season and next, but they will be seeing budget issues as their young stars reach their last arb years and free agency.

 

The Astros still have some top prospects and recent grads, so they are not heading for a cliff.

[Larry33]

Houston may have picked up a real sleeper in Sanchez . He was dying in Toronto , but he has a very good arm . The results in Houston could be very different .

 

Especially that they got him for nothing along with relief pitcher Biagini and an OF prospect for a 4th outfielder that couldn't make a catch on a routine flyball that he caught in the face with a high K rate.

[notin]

Houston may have picked up a real sleeper in Sanchez . He was dying in Toronto , but he has a very good arm . The results in Houston could be very different .

 

But had Sanchez come to Boston, you would have called him a “ham and egger”...

[notin]

Especially that they got him for nothing along with relief pitcher Biagini and an OF prospect for a 4th outfielder that couldn't make a catch on a routine flyball that he caught in the face with a high K rate.

 

His face had a high K rate?

[mvp 78]

Perfectly balanced as all things should be.