The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[Bellhorn04]

2018 was a small sample size?

 

Link to your numbers please.

[jacksonianmarch]

So a hitter with a .270 OBP and .430 SLG is “terrible”?

 

 

Sorry, Salvador Perez. You’re terrible...

 

The average catching OPS is in the low .600s IIRC, so for his position, he’s dominant. But in sheer offensive perspective, that’s not good

[moonslav59]

The average catching OPS is in the low .600s IIRC, so for his position, he’s dominant. But in sheer offensive perspective, that’s not good

 

I don't see it that way. He hits better than most who he matches up against every day.

 

He's a plus on offense in the same way JBJ is not "terrible" on offense (not counting this year's start).

[S5Dewey]

Bell's argument wasn't about his defense though. I am in full agreement that his great defense offsets his s***** bat. I just think people need to stop making excuses for his s***** bat.

 

And I think people should stop focusing on his lack of offense.

 

He is what he is, a GG CF'er with below average offensive numbers who is an albatross when he's cold and can carry a team when he's hot.

[Slasher9]

But then again, there are a few CFers in the league who can make great plays and ALSO hit occasionally. (Did you see Trout's catch last night?)

 

I am not comparing JBj to trout. I do not want to offer JBj $400MM contract..

[Slasher9]

If offense didn’t matter, he wouldn’t have won the mvp.

 

Exactly. But did Cora insert him in the lineup for his offense? That would be reason 10 out of 10 to pencil in JBj in the lineup everyday....

[mvp 78]

.717 is not good, I agree, but it's not "terrible" for CF'ers.

 

Only 22 CF'ers qualified last year.

 

The AL CF OPS was .702 in 2018. Yes, there were better hitters who played CF last year, but JBJ was not terrible. He hit above the AL OPS for all CF'ers. I agree, that does not make him a "good" hitter or above average, but he was not terrible.

 

JBJ placed 10th out of 17 AL CF'ers with 300+ PAs in 2018. Not good. Not terrible.

 

Why compare JBJ to backup CFers who can't hit or stay on the field? Bad comparison, honestly. Need to compare him to other starters.

[mvp 78]

Link to your numbers please.

 

Fangraphs.

[mvp 78]

Exactly. But did Cora insert him in the lineup for his offense? That would be reason 10 out of 10 to pencil in JBj in the lineup everyday....

 

This post makes me wonder if you're having a stroke.

[mvp 78]

And I think people should stop focusing on his lack of offense.

He is what he is, a GG CF'er with below average offensive numbers who is an albatross when he's cold and can carry a team when he's hot.

 

What kind of terrible argument is this? Looks at user name, oh, ok.

[mvp 78]

So a hitter with a .270 OBP and .430 SLG is “terrible”?

 

 

Sorry, Salvador Perez. You’re terrible...

 

It'd be terrible for a CFer. It's fine for a catcher.

[moonslav59]

Why compare JBJ to backup CFers who can't hit or stay on the field? Bad comparison, honestly. Need to compare him to other starters.

 

The top 17 AL OF'ers are basically the starters (15 teams).

 

If I reduce the PAs to 354+ to get the number to exactly 15, JBJ placed 8th out of 15.

Edited April 25, 2019 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

The top 17 AL OF'ers are basically the starters (15 teams).

 

If I reduce the PAs to 354+ to get the number to exactly 15, JBJ placed 8th out of 15.

 

Comparing JBJ to nonqualified CFers is dumb unless you are saying he should be platooned.

[moonslav59]

Comparing JBJ to nonqualified CFers is dumb unless you are saying he should be platooned.

 

I think of the top 15 AL CF'ers as the starters.

 

If some teams' have such a bad CF situation that they need to platoon or rotate, then why do we discount them when ranking JBJ's ranking?

 

He was 8th best out of the 15 AL team's starting CF'ers last year.

 

I get your point about counting only "qualified" CF'ers, but I think you are penalizing JBJ just because he's so damn good on defense, he gets more PAs than some of those on the list with 354-503 PAs.

[Bellhorn04]

I get your point about counting only "qualified" CF'ers, but I think you are penalizing JBJ just because he's so damn good on defense, he gets more PAs than some of those on the list with 354-503 PAs.

 

And he stays on the field.

[moonslav59]

And he stays on the field.

 

...and somehow that makes it a bad thing, because he is "qualified" and among the worst offensive players among those few players that are good enough and healthy enough to play everyday.

[S5Dewey]

What kind of terrible argument is this? Looks at user name, oh, ok.

 

I understand that saying he is what he is it makes too much sense for "some posters". I'm good with that.

 

If you have trouble with the "albatross" part try reading Samuel Taylor Coleridge sometime - assuming you can read and comprehend.

[Slasher9]

This post makes me wonder if you're having a stroke.

 

This thread makes me wonder if people understand the construct of the current Boston Red Sox team.

To me it seems like many are still living in the 20th century with only focusing on 3 run HR’s & batting average for a players worth. Especially when we are talking about the 8 or 9 hitter playing a defense first position...

[Slasher9]

For those that don’t understand..,,,Mike trout is a once in a generation exception....not a rule of thumb for CF

[Bellhorn04]

For those that don’t understand..,,,Mike trout is a once in a generation exception....not a rule of thumb for CF

 

Trout is on the short list of the best players in history. His name should be left out of the discussion altogether.

[notin]

Trout is on the short list of the best players in history. His name should be left out of the discussion altogether.

 

Twenty years from now, no one will list the game’s best players as “Ruth, Aaron and Mays.” The proper way will be Ruth, Aaron, Mays, and Trout.”

[moonslav59]

Twenty years from now, no one will list the game’s best players as “Ruth, Aaron and Mays.” The proper way will be Ruth, Aaron, Mays, and Trout.”

 

True.

[vegasbob]

Twenty years from now, no one will list the game’s best players as “Ruth, Aaron and Mays.” The proper way will be Ruth, Aaron, Mays, and Trout.”

 

I betts you are correct. Too bad Mike T. signed for a lifetime with an organization whose players cannot stay on the field The Angels have a longer IL list than lineup. Trout may never get to the playoffs again.

[mvp 78]

I understand that saying he is what he is it makes too much sense for "some posters". I'm good with that.

 

If you have trouble with the "albatross" part try reading Samuel Taylor Coleridge sometime - assuming you can read and comprehend.

 

My comprehension isn't the issue with your terrible posts.

[mvp 78]

For those that don’t understand..,,,Mike trout is a once in a generation exception....not a rule of thumb for CF

 

And when you take Trout out of the equation, JBJ's numbers are still terribly below average.

[S5Dewey]

My comprehension isn't the issue with your terrible posts.

 

The fact that you didn't understand it doesn't make it terrible. It makes you..d**b.

[mvp 78]

The fact that you didn't understand it doesn't make it terrible. It makes you..d**b.

 

Whatever gets you through those long and lonely nights S5Dumby. Back to the ignore list you go as you provide nothing useful to this board.

[Slasher9]

And when you take Trout out of the equation, JBJ's numbers are still terribly below average.

 

Right. And you can ignore my other post.

[cp176]

This thread makes me wonder if people understand the construct of the current Boston Red Sox team.

To me it seems like many are still living in the 20th century with only focusing on 3 run HR’s & batting average for a players worth. Especially when we are talking about the 8 or 9 hitter playing a defense first position...

 

stop that - believe it or not we still valued defense (probably a lot more than most people today)

 

the illustrious Earl Weaver - He of the 3 run dinger had one shortstop named Belanger.

[cp176]

Twenty years from now, no one will list the game’s best players as “Ruth, Aaron and Mays.” The proper way will be Ruth, Aaron, Mays, and Trout.”

 

 

Be careful notin - Many of our posters likely never saw Aaron or Mays, and really have 0 clue as to even who they were to say nothing about how absolutely great they were.