Rafael Devers

[oldtimer]

I hope he starts out hot, so we don't have to hear all the second-guessing.

 

The decision was made by the FO as the best option available to the Sox to improve the team hitting at the 3rd base position. I think I remember that both you and I were

satisfied with leaving Red Sox management to make the decision and would support that going forward. Clearly any young player coming into the MLs will need to learn and adjust to the pitching as well as the scrutiny they will face. He will probably be given more scutiny than most as he is being brought up at a critical time for the Sox.

 

What we need in addition to Devers making the grade is our current players to come out of their slumps and contribute. The only guys who have been doing the job recently are Pedey and Hanley. Lets not let go of the lead by starting to play some determined ball.

[moonslav59]

The decision was made by the FO as the best option available to the Sox to improve the team hitting at the 3rd base position. I think I remember that both you and I were

satisfied with leaving Red Sox management to make the decision and would support that going forward. Clearly any young player coming into the MLs will need to learn and adjust to the pitching as well as the scrutiny they will face. He will probably be given more scutiny than most as he is being brought up at a critical time for the Sox.

 

What we need in addition to Devers making the grade is our current players to come out of their slumps and contribute. The only guys who have been doing the job recently are Pedey and Hanley. Lets not let go of the lead by starting to play some determined ball.

 

Yes, I agreed with you that trusting Sox management to know when Devers was ML ready was the right thing to do.

 

Of course big team need always is a factor in these decisions and there comes a point where the decision tips to "call-up" time.

 

I'm sure management had hoped there would be no need to push things with Devers. I'm sure they would have liked to have kept the extra year of control too, but if they think he's ready, I'm fine with their choice.

 

If he struggles, I won't blame DD & Co.

[S5Dewey]

Come on SS - I understand why you might not be in favor of making this move right now but do you really think that this is a move that could in any way be considered panicky? I sure don't. I respect your opinion as always but a panic move?

 

Only in that I can't come up with a better reason for it.

 

The team is in first place and they got there by playing what they have. They're saying that they want to give Devers time to adjust to each level of play and suddenly they're promoting him at a breakneck pace. I don't see any need to panic but it does look panicky to me.

[moonslav59]

Only in that I can't come up with a better reason for it.

 

The team is in first place and they got there by playing what they have. They're saying that they want to give Devers time to adjust to each level of play and suddenly they're promoting him at a breakneck pace. I don't see any need to panic but it does look panicky to me.

 

I can see how Devers spending so little time in AAA looks a little panicky after saying they'd give him time at each level, but I've always felt like once a player is promoted to AAA, for the most part, he's only a hair away from MLB anyways.

[Nick]

I can see how Devers spending so little time in AAA looks a little panicky after saying they'd give him time at each level, but I've always felt like once a player is promoted to AAA, for the most part, he's only a hair away from MLB anyways.

 

Our problem won't be Devers. He will give us at least what we've been getting. Problem is our regulars who have under performed this year. Thank God for Sale and Kimbrel.

 

PANIC MOVE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO TRADE AWAY THE FARM TO GET A MEDIOCRE RENTAL.....THAT'S PANIC.

[moonslav59]

Our problem won't be Devers. He will give us at least what we've been getting. Problem is our regulars who have under performed this year. Thank God for Sale and Kimbrel.

 

PANIC MOVE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO TRADE AWAY THE FARM TO GET A MEDIOCRE RENTAL.....THAT'S PANIC.

 

Great point.

 

I'm happy Devers is up.

 

I hope Sox management didn't "panic", but I'm trusting they know what they are doing in this area. I'm also sure a lot of people were in on the decision.

[harmony]

Baseball America's midseason prospect rankings had Yankee infielder Gleyber Torress at No. 3 and Rafael Devers at No 6:

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-midseason-top-100-prospects-july-7/#JPJmDOuQYQi9Tvvm.97

 

This year Torres appeared in 32 games at Double A before his promotion to 23 games (and counting) at Triple A. Devers, who is a month or two older than Torres, appeared in 77 games at Double A and nine games at Triple A.

 

In an ideal world each would get more seasoning at Triple A. However, the Red Sox have a current need for Devers while the Yankees have no specific current need for Torres (despite the recent injury to Starlin Castro).

 

Each club has probably made the right decisions to date.

[S5Dewey]

This team is doing almost as expected post-Papi. They're winning games with pitching and defense, just as predicted, and they're leading their division. No, they're not scoring as many runs as we'd hoped for but first place is still first place and the master plan has worked.

 

Now the FO is panicking (for lack of a better word) and have decided that the team has to score more runs. Unfortunately the only viable way to possibly do that is by hurting the defense that got them into first place. Makes no sense.

[Kimmi]

The decision was made by the FO as the best option available to the Sox to improve the team hitting at the 3rd base position. I think I remember that both you and I were

satisfied with leaving Red Sox management to make the decision and would support that going forward. Clearly any young player coming into the MLs will need to learn and adjust to the pitching as well as the scrutiny they will face. He will probably be given more scutiny than most as he is being brought up at a critical time for the Sox.

 

What we need in addition to Devers making the grade is our current players to come out of their slumps and contribute. The only guys who have been doing the job recently are Pedey and Hanley. Lets not let go of the lead by starting to play some determined ball.

 

Very solid post oldtimer.

[Kimmi]

Our problem won't be Devers. He will give us at least what we've been getting. Problem is our regulars who have under performed this year. Thank God for Sale and Kimbrel.

 

PANIC MOVE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO TRADE AWAY THE FARM TO GET A MEDIOCRE RENTAL.....THAT'S PANIC.

 

I agree that trading away the farm to get a mediocre rental would be a panic move as well. Why not stick with Marrero/Holt/Lin for a little longer?

[Bellhorn04]

This team is doing almost as expected post-Papi. They're winning games with pitching and defense, just as predicted, and they're leading their division. No, they're not scoring as many runs as we'd hoped for but first place is still first place and the master plan has worked.

 

Now the FO is panicking (for lack of a better word) and have decided that the team has to score more runs. Unfortunately the only viable way to possibly do that is by hurting the defense that got them into first place. Makes no sense.

 

Not to be a downer, but I'm not all that excited about leading the division. We're on a 6-10 run and we could be in third place by the weekend. Not that I'm expecting that, but it's the nature of the baseball season. Also the Yankees are about due for a turnaround.

[Emp9]

Dombrowski said today that the team would like to give him more time at AAA, that but there is a need and he is ready. Well, that statement sounds kind of contradictory. At the very least, it sounds like they are bringing him up before they wanted to.

 

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad move. I'm glad he was called up. But I do think it's a panic move.

 

I'm personally surprised by the move, i really thought they'd have made a trade. I stopped talking about Devers 2 months ago. And I'm sure they've heard the clamoring to bring up Devers all year. I dont think its a panic move as much as i think they wanted it to be THEIR move. Either that or light bulb finally switched on somewhere. That's how most managment FO's work in any arena. They ignore the writing on the wall for as long as they can. They take pride in being contradictory simply for the sake of it it seems and call it wisdom. They say one thing, then immediately say something to the contrary in the following sentence. They hedge their bets. I think its a control thing. Only THEY know. No one else could possibly know, right?

 

IMHO, trading Devers for a quick fix would've been the ultimate panic move. Sticking with the status quo of Lin/Marrero wld be a frozen in panic non-move that doesn't solve anything. It's not like they didn't give Pablo/Lin/Marrero all the chances in the world to win the job. Devers isn't a panic move, he just happens to be next in line.

[Spudboy]

I agree that trading away the farm to get a mediocre rental would be a panic move as well. Why not stick with Marrero/Holt/Lin for a little longer?

 

This.

 

I think that "panic move" is over stating the situation. I see it as "nothing ventured, nothing gained".

 

The kid has about 400 PA above high A ball.

 

I read the link that MVP provided and suspect he will not deal well initially with MLB breaking balls. I also wonder about his understanding of which pitches to expect in any situation, and his ability to recognize pitches thrown. Those are skills built with repetition. I suspect that unless he is some hitting savant, that he has not seen enough PA at high levels. I won't be surprised if he is ineffectual initially at the plate. AAA has more pitchers who have thrown decent curve balls ( I think, anyways ). The prudent thing would be to let him finish the MiLB season in Pawtucket. But hey, I have never seen the kid play so what the f*** do I know?

 

I like Marrero at third until such time a proven MLB bat can replace him. Many teams have players starting for them that have weak ( ~ .220 / .300 ) numbers and get away with it. Some of those players do not have elite fielding skills, either. Marrero plays very good defense. I don't see 3B as a drastic or crippling weakness.

 

Oh well.

 

I hope the kid hits.

[Examiner]

Sorry, but this looks like a desperation move to me. Also makes it looke like Dombrowski isn't really serious about winning this year, but I wasn't sure he was before the season started. Mooreland is decent, but he's no replacement for Ortiz, and we're paying the price nightly.

[Bellhorn04]

Sorry, but this looks like a desperation move to me. Also makes it looke like Dombrowski isn't really serious about winning this year, but I wasn't sure he was before the season started. Mooreland is decent, but he's no replacement for Ortiz, and we're paying the price nightly.

 

I'm pretty sure DD would have been happy to sign Encarnacion but JH wouldn't authorize it because of the luxury tax issues.

[mvp 78]

Sorry, but this looks like a desperation move to me. Also makes it looke like Dombrowski isn't really serious about winning this year, but I wasn't sure he was before the season started. Mooreland is decent, but he's no replacement for Ortiz, and we're paying the price nightly.

 

1. Desperation move

2. Not serious about winning

 

Pick one

[harmony]

Baseball America's midseason prospect rankings had Yankee infielder Gleyber Torress at No. 3 and Rafael Devers at No 6:

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-midseason-top-100-prospects-july-7/#JPJmDOuQYQi9Tvvm.97

 

This year Torres appeared in 32 games at Double A before his promotion to 23 games (and counting) at Triple A. Devers, who is a month or two older than Torres, appeared in 77 games at Double A and nine games at Triple A.

 

In a perfect world each would get more seasoning at Triple A. However, the Red Sox have a pressing need for Devers while the Yankees have no specific current need for Torres (despite the recent injury to Starlin Castro).

 

Each club has probably made the right decisions to date under contrasting circumstances.

Edited July 24, 2017 by harmony

[cp176]

Only in that I can't come up with a better reason for it.

 

The team is in first place and they got there by playing what they have. They're saying that they want to give Devers time to adjust to each level of play and suddenly they're promoting him at a breakneck pace. I don't see any need to panic but it does look panicky to me.

 

For me I guess I have it figured out. It is about the choice of words. Words like panic and desparation do not apply here for me. I understand very well why people might not like the move but dissecting it with words that connote something really serious I guess confuses me. Maybe a lack of patience but not panic to me anyway. But you see I have also read that many people think that with the deals that DD has made that he was all in for this season. I never saw it quite like that. I saw them as moves to strengthen our team. I understand the value of defense - it enabled me to play.lol I agree that we might be giving up something here on the defensive end but I really don't think in my world anyway anything was done that resembles panic or desperation. It's good I guess that we all don't see things the same way.

[Northern Star]

What is the bigger problem for Hanley? his shoulder or his knees? And what is the prognosis? Should he be playing on the Red Sox at all?

 

???

[Northern Star]

Sorry, but this looks like a desperation move to me. Also makes it looke like Dombrowski isn't really serious about winning this year, but I wasn't sure he was before the season started. Mooreland is decent, but he's no replacement for Ortiz, and we're paying the price nightly.

 

What would DD have to do to prove he's serious, empty the farm?

[BstHcpr]

What would DD have to do to prove he's serious, empty the farm?

 

Trading for the second best pitcher in baseball was just a facade.

[bowman]

Again, I hope the Rook takes right off. I'm pretty sure he will be a stud, but maybe not right out of the gait. We'll see. Somehow DD has to obtain a Veteran power hitter for this team. How I don't know but that's why he makes the big bucks. If he can get a young power hitter under team control for the future, I would include a kid like Groome. He has all the potential in the world, but if you have to get something because you truly believe your team has a shot at it, expect to give something up. As we all know, no way of knowing what these young pitchers will become.

[Examiner]

What would DD have to do to prove he's serious, empty the farm?

 

Doing more in the offseason would have been the first step. David Ortiz was never replaced, and even if you argue he couldn't be replaced, it wasn't even attempted. From day one I've said this team didn't have enough hitting. Ortiz is gone, and the ancillary players are not only not replacing him, they aren't even doing what they normally do. No hitter in that lineup is playing to potential. Pedroia maybe, but even he's experiencing a power outage. This is the most pathetic, non-clutch offense I've seen on the Red Sox in a long long time--and we all saw this coming since last October, and virtually nothing was done to forestall it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Baseball America's midseason prospect rankings had Yankee infielder Gleyber Torress at No. 3 and Rafael Devers at No 6:

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-midseason-top-100-prospects-july-7/#JPJmDOuQYQi9Tvvm.97

 

This year Torres appeared in 32 games at Double A before his promotion to 23 games (and counting) at Triple A. Devers, who is a month or two older than Torres, appeared in 77 games at Double A and nine games at Triple A.

 

In a perfect world each would get more seasoning at Triple A. However, the Red Sox have a pressing need for Devers while the Yankees have no specific current need for Torres (despite the recent injury to Starlin Castro).

 

Each club has probably made the right decisions to date under contrasting circumstances.

 

Torres is out for the season after TJS

[Examiner]

1. Desperation move

2. Not serious about winning

 

Pick one

 

That's easy, I pick both. It's a desperation move because they don't want to spend the money they should have spent in the offseason to beef up an anemic offense, hence, we rush the kid to the top sooner than we otherwise planned knowing it's a crap shoot at best whether he'll turn out to be as good as a veteran bat that we need. It's both, that's what makes it so pathetic.

[Nick]

What hell is wrong with people? Okay, it's 0-2 in bottom of second. Looks like we'll be shut out. I'm going to bed.

 

Devers is NOT in the lineup. Devers is NOT in the lineup. And we're going to somehow dismiss him? Again, what do we have to lose? Brock Holt? Are you freaking kidding me? He's one play away from going on DL again.

 

Hell Devers can go hitless and he'd still be an upgrade as far as I'm concerned. Give the kid a chance.

[iortiz]

That's easy, I pick both. It's a desperation move because they don't want to spend the money they should have spent in the offseason to beef up an anemic offense, hence, we rush the kid to the top sooner than we otherwise planned knowing it's a crap shoot at best whether he'll turn out to be as good as a veteran bat that we need. It's both, that's what makes it so pathetic.

At this point what would you do? An elite bat would likely dry what is left in the farm.

 

Listen, Devers is crushing the minors and he wil likely continue to do that, so there's no reason to keep him there. Would be a waste.

 

I say, let's see what he got. There's nothing to lose and there's no way he can't do it worse than Marrero and Holt.

[Slasher9]

I won't lie, I'm excited that Devers is being called up. Hopefully he will give the offense a much needed spark and infuse the team with energy. That said, this is clearly a panic move.

 

1. Less than 2 weeks ago, Dombrowski said that Devers would not be rushed and that they would not put that kind of pressure on the kid.

2. The Yankees make a 'blockbuster' move. The media then puts the pressure on Dombrowski to counter.

3. As recently as a few days ago, Dombrowski reportedly stated that the team did not feel that Devers was mentally ready.

4. The Red Sox are in a bit of a funk, losing 2 of 3 to the Angels. Meanwhile, the Yankees win 3 of 4 and gain a game on the Sox.

5. Also in the meantime, Devers makes 4 errors in 7 games.

6. Dombrowski does an about face and calls up Devers.

 

It's a panic move. I'm not saying that Devers is not ready to be called up or that he won't do well, I just don't like the complete about face that the team has done.

 

100% accurate. I agree with this.

[harmony]

Torres is out for the season after TJS

Thank you. I forgot that.

[mvp 78]

What hell is wrong with people? Okay, it's 0-2 in bottom of second. Looks like we'll be shut out. I'm going to bed.

 

Devers is NOT in the lineup. Devers is NOT in the lineup. And we're going to somehow dismiss him? Again, what do we have to lose? Brock Holt? Are you freaking kidding me? He's one play away from going on DL again.

 

Hell Devers can go hitless and he'd still be an upgrade as far as I'm concerned. Give the kid a chance.

 

Going to bed was a panic move.