Rafael Devers

[mvp 78]

I can't remember if I was one of those people (probably was, because going back a few months I didn't think there was any chance we'd see him before 2018 at the earliest), but if so, props on being right. I try never to count on a kid so young rising from Double-A to the majors so quickly, but we have seen exceptions in special cases (Xander, Mookie), and it's been fun to watch Devers vault himself into that kind of select company with his performance this year.

 

I'm looking forward to watching him in Boston - hopefully for a long time.

 

I don't take names or really care anyway. I don't call out anyone unless it's completely in jest. It's all in good fun.

[mvp 78]

Just DFA him, who cares, he sucks.

 

Yeah, Rutledge is a waste imo.

[Kimmi]

I take Dombrowski's words about a 20 year old who is rocketing up the farm far less seriously than you do. I can count on zero hands the number of times I have read an exec pumping up a future call-up, especially a high profile one. It's always deflect or whatever.

 

The trade market was not there last week either - but there was a Yankees series at Fenway. Better getting his feet wet in Seattle. Focus on the baseball and his new team - limit (at least for a little while) the other stuff.

 

Fair points. We'll just have to disagree on this, however.

[sk7326]

I don't think he's going to OPS over 900 in MLB this year. He'll do it someday, but not this year.

 

I think there is no ceiling with him in a lot of ways ... but this year? You bring him up because you are getting nothing out of 3B - and he should be able to be okay. I think .250 with some command of the strike zone and a little bit of pop is a reasonable expectation.

[mvp 78]

I think there is no ceiling with him in a lot of ways ... but this year? You bring him up because you are getting nothing out of 3B - and he should be able to be okay. I think .250 with some command of the strike zone and a little bit of pop is a reasonable expectation.

 

I bet he puts up better numbers than Moncada.

[Nick]

I know.. I'm the guy here who keeps harping on defense, defense, defense so I'm still not sold on bringing Devers up. Does it make any sense to put a defensive liability at 3B because he can hit while moving a good glove out of that position because he can't hit? It looks like a wash to me.

 

I understand that DD has probably been beating the bushes trying to find a player that can help this team on both sides of the ball at 3B and it's not easy to do when we don't have any trade chips that we're willing to part with. However, I think we're fooling ourselves is we think that a new 3B with no ML AB's is going to push us over the top.

 

I agree with Kimmi. It seems like a panic move done at a time when there's no need to panic. We are still in first place in the division and we got there while Marrero was at 3B. Were it my decision I'd stay the course, at least until we fall out of first place.

 

So you make the panic move when we're five games down? Well okay then.

[illinoisredsox]

If he's on 25, he has to go on the 40.

 

Well that's true. But he is going on both Tuesday at the latest. So long as he remains on the active 25 roster (or DL), no option year is burned. Unless he completely flops, he will stay there the rest of the year. Come to think of it, even if he does get off to a very rough start, I doubt they send him down.

[Nick]

imo - a panic move would have been to give up any prospects for a one year rental third baseman with Devers sitting at the AAA level. This move makes sense based on team needs. I hope that it works out.

 

This +1

[Kimmi]

So you make the panic move when we're five games down? Well okay then.

 

But we are not 5 games down. We are 2 1/2 games up. Certainly no need to panic right now.

[mvp 78]

But we are not 5 games down. We are 2 1/2 games up. Certainly no need to panic right now.

 

And I don't think they are panicking.

[Jack Flap]

I don't take names or really care anyway. I don't call out anyone unless it's completely in jest. It's all in good fun.

 

Oh, I know...I do try to be accountable (at least as much as one can be on a message board) when I go on the record about something and am wrong, though. Plus, you've been our foremost Devers booster for a while now and deserve your moment of triumph.

[OH FOY]

We just have to have patience. Growing pains. Dombrowski and Ownership, dropped the ball on this kid. He should have been in Triple AAA month and half ago. Give him 9 games in Triple AAA, then promote to Parent Club, why didn't they move him to Triple AAA a long time ago. Nothing to lose.

Forgot needed those Rehabs for Sandoval, and Peralta.

Edited July 24, 2017 by OH FOY!

[sk7326]

I bet he puts up better numbers than Moncada.

 

Bogaerts did a .250/.320/.364 in his 2013 tour. We remember the performance better - because he did not look overwhelmed and made the basic plays in the field. I think that is a fair expectation. It is not great - but it's passable and it will bring the position stability.

[Emp9]

I seem to remember Dombrowski downplaying Benintendi's readiness last year about this time, and then he was called up a matter of days later. I agree this is nothing that unusual or new.

 

They always downplay and they try to never show their hand if they can help it. What it really comes down to is that the market was weak, they have a prospect that could, i'll repeat... Could... be on par w/ what they'd be trading for anyhow. It's worth a shot to fill an area of (longtime) need and maybe focus on other upgrades (1B,DH,RP) before its too late. Sticking w/ Lin & Marrero is the real panic move. Thats the deer in the headlights, do absolutely nothing, get hit by a car panic move i'd rather not witness.

[Kimmi]

This FO has a pattern of making 'panic moves'. They have admitted to it, though they call it a 'sense of urgency'.

[mvp 78]

Bogaerts did a .250/.320/.364 in his 2013 tour. We remember the performance better - because he did not look overwhelmed and made the basic plays in the field. I think that is a fair expectation. It is not great - but it's passable and it will bring the position stability.

 

Devers has much better MiLB numbers than Bogaerts did and comes with power.

[mvp 78]

Oh, I know...I do try to be accountable (at least as much as one can be on a message board) when I go on the record about something and am wrong, though. Plus, you've been our foremost Devers booster for a while now and deserve your moment of triumph.

 

Well, I'm enjoying my Devers dessert while holding my nose eating this Pomeranz crow!

[mvp 78]

http://news.soxprospects.com/2017/07/transaction-analysis-breaking-down.html

 

A good read from SoxProspects.

[Jack Flap]

Well, I'm enjoying my Devers dessert while holding my nose eating this Pomeranz crow!

 

I'm definitely in the same boat on that one currently.

[a700hitter]

I was on the right side of both issues.

[Dojji]

Once the Sox promoted Devers to AAA, it's a long held belief of the Red Sox organization that AAA is more of a waiting room for MLB callups than a developmental level in its own right. It's worked in the past for everyone from Jed Lowrie to Justin Masterson to Jacoby Ellsbury. Once they're comfortable stashing Devers in the Tuck, they think he's good to go and I'm OK with a callup to see what he has. It's still at least a bit aggressive, and may backfire. But who knows, it might even save the season.

[S5Dewey]

So you make the panic move when we're five games down? Well okay then.

 

Is there a need to panic when you're leading your division with what you've got?

[Emp9]

Is there a need to panic when you're leading your division with what you've got?

 

Exactly. That's another reason why i don't view Devers as a panic move.

[harmony]

Devers has much better MiLB numbers than Bogaerts did and comes with power.

The minor league career slash lines for Xander Bogaerts and Rafael Devers:

 

XB 1623 PA, .296/.373/.489/.862

RD 1714 PA, .296/.354/.482/.836

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bogaer001xan

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=devers000raf

[Kimmi]

Exactly. That's another reason why i don't view Devers as a panic move.

 

Dombrowski said today that the team would like to give him more time at AAA, that but there is a need and he is ready. Well, that statement sounds kind of contradictory. At the very least, it sounds like they are bringing him up before they wanted to.

 

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad move. I'm glad he was called up. But I do think it's a panic move.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't know if it's a panic move or not. What's a panic move? We're in first place in our division, great, but we're not really playing all that well. And every game counts in the final standings.

[sk7326]

Dombrowski said today that the team would like to give him more time at AAA, that but there is a need and he is ready. Well, that statement sounds kind of contradictory. At the very least, it sounds like they are bringing him up before they wanted to.

 

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad move. I'm glad he was called up. But I do think it's a panic move.

 

I don't know. I think once they decided he was their best shot at filling the need - the question is when. I think in isolation they preferred to keep him at AAA - but that got outweighed by the chance to give him 2 full months at the big league level.

[cp176]

Is there a need to panic when you're leading your division with what you've got?

 

Come on SS - I understand why you might not be in favor of making this move right now but do you really think that this is a move that could in any way be considered panicky? I sure don't. I respect your opinion as always but a panic move?

[bosoxmal]

I hope this is not de jevu (Moncada) Maybe the get him 60 , or so, plate appearances, and see how he compares with what Lin was doing. If so, he'll be it for a long time. Anxious to see him!

[moonslav59]

I hope he starts out hot, so we don't have to hear all the second-guessing.