A Realistic View at 2017 Part I

[Bellhorn04]

Joel Sherman has a column in the NY Post about all the big bats being hung out to dry this offseason and why. (Teams focusing on run prevention, supply exceeding demand etc.)

[mvp 78]

Joel Sherman has a column in the NY Post about all the big bats being hung out to dry this offseason and why. (Teams focusing on run prevention, supply exceeding demand etc.)

 

I think a lot of the bats on the market up on the back end of their careers too...

[Spudboy]

I think he will get him if that is his price. Moreland will be sent packing.

 

Or DD could pull a Yankee and sign EE as if he were our Tex.

 

s*** like that does happen. Of course not with all of the new penalties of the CBA.

 

I would do it even if it's a bad deal 3 years down the road.

[Foe-Jarmer]

I think he will get him if that is his price. Moreland will be sent packing.

 

I might be making this up, but isn't there a rule against trading a guy you just signed?

[a700hitter]

I might be making this up, but isn't there a rule against trading a guy you just signed?

Only if he has a no-trade clause.

[harmony]

I might be making this up, but isn't there a rule against trading a guy you just signed?

A signed free agent cannot be traded without his permission until mid-June of the next season.

[Hugh2]

EE is not walking through the doors, we should move on. For the most part, I think this team is set for next year. DD might try to shed some salary if he finds a buyer for Clay, and I think he will make some moves to strengthen the depth of the rotation. But I think DD is done, at least with any major moves.

[notin]

Only if he has a no-trade clause.

 

In the last CBA, a newly signed free agent couldn't be traded without his approval prior to June 15, regardless of no trade protection.

 

If the Sox do sign a DH, Rutledge will either be returned or a deal for him completed so he can go to Pawtucket. ...

[moonslav59]

In the last CBA, a newly signed free agent couldn't be traded without his approval prior to June 15, regardless of no trade protection.

 

If the Sox do sign a DH, Rutledge will either be returned or a deal for him completed so he can go to Pawtucket. ...

 

Agreed.

 

Moreland would be the back-up 1Bman not a platoon.

 

I seriously doubt it happens, but if he falls below the value DD put on him, one never knows.

[cp176]

Or DD could pull a Yankee and sign EE as if he were our Tex.

 

s*** like that does happen. Of course not with all of the new penalties of the CBA.

 

I would do it even if it's a bad deal 3 years down the road.

 

Me too. Not sure it is safe to say on here these days. lol - If he really, wants to go for it all, what the hell, go for it. sign the big bat.

[a700hitter]

He might give his consent if he is told that he will be riding the bench.

[harmony]

A tad off-topic, but former Red Sox reliever Brad Ziegler and the Miami Marlins have reportedly agreed to a two-year contract for $16 million plus incentives:

 

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox have avoided arbitration with Brandon Workman, per a club announcement (h/t Tim Britton of the Providence Journal, via Twitter). Terms of the deal remain unreported at this time.

 

Workman, 28, was eligible for the first time despite the fact that he hasn’t pitched in the majors since 2014. He underwent Tommy John surgery in 2015, and never quite made it back to the big leagues last season — though did throw twenty minor-league rehab frames.

 

While there may still be some risk in the health of Workman’s right arm, Boston isn’t staking much on its bet. MLBTR projected him to earn just $600K this year, most of which won’t even be guaranteed until camp is about to break next spring. Mostly, it’s a matter of occupying a 40-man spot, which the Sox are evidently willing to do to get another look at the former second-round pick.

 

--Jeff Todd

[Spudboy]

I always liked Workman.

 

I hope something good happens with him.

[notin]

He might give his consent if he is told that he will be riding the bench.

 

True, but at that point it becomes his decision and not Dombrowski's..

 

And the longer we go into the off-season, the fewer starting first base options are left for him to approve. ..

[moonslav59]

I always liked Workman.

 

I hope something good happens with him.

 

It seems so long ago.

[a700hitter]

True, but at that point it becomes his decision and not Dombrowski's..

 

And the longer we go into the off-season, the fewer starting first base options are left for him to approve. ..

DD would have the option of an outright release.

[Nick]

Red Sox wisely passed on Koji, Tazawa and Ziegler. The latter two would have cost the Sox $14M per for 2 years. Koji went for $6M. Our bullpen should come in under $20M.

 

DD is looking to future by re-setting the luxury tax rate.

[notin]

DD would have the option of an outright release.

 

Which would be the stupidest option of all, because he would be paying Moreland $5mill to play for someone else. At that point, why not just keep him and have some actual depth? Do you think keeping Jeff Rutledge on the 25-man instead is that much more important?

 

And before Dombrowski goes releasing Moreland, he should consider that option for Allen Craig, whom he has yet to release. Why is that?

[Bellhorn04]

And before Dombrowski goes releasing Moreland, he should consider that option for Allen Craig, whom he has yet to release. Why is that?

 

Because they're paying him 11 million this year and there's some flickering hope he might hit again? That'd be my guess.

[notin]

Because they're paying him 11 million this year and there's some flickering hope he might hit again? That'd be my guess.

 

Basically, but more important, because they don't have to.

 

Which is why they won't release Moreland simply to make room for another player...

[notin]

Red Sox wisely passed on Koji, Tazawa and Ziegler. The latter two would have cost the Sox $14M per for 2 years. Koji went for $6M. Our bullpen should come in under $20M.

 

DD is looking to future by re-setting the luxury tax rate.

 

Doubtful the Sox bullpen comes in under $20 million. Kimbrel is $13 million by himself and if Buchholz returns to the bullpen he adds another $13.5million.

 

But even without Clay, Ross, Thornburg, Abad, and Kelly are all up for arbitration. Pretty good chance they total up at least close to $7mill.

 

I do disagree Dombrowski is bothered by this and working on the limit. He had options, like non-tendering Abad or Ross and keeping minimum wage Robby Scott, for example. He just didn't do them...

[Nick]

Doubtful the Sox bullpen comes in under $20 million. Kimbrel is $13 million by himself and if Buchholz returns to the bullpen he adds another $13.5million.

 

But even without Clay, Ross, Thornburg, Abad, and Kelly are all up for arbitration. Pretty good chance they total up at least close to $7mill.

 

I do disagree Dombrowski is bothered by this and working on the limit. He had options, like non-tendering Abad or Ross and keeping minimum wage Robby Scott, for example. He just didn't do them...

 

1 Kimbrel, Craig rhp-c 6.066 $10,500,000 $12.00

2 Thornburg, Tyler rhp 3.057 $2,200,000 a2 a3

3 Kelly, Joe rhp 4.029 $2,600,000 a3

4 Ross, Robbie lhp 4.1 $1,800,000 a3

5 Abad, Fernando lhp 5.073 $2,000,000

6 Smith, Carson rhp 2.028 $600,000 a2 a3

7 Barnes, Matt rhp 1.11 $600.000 a2 a3

8 Hembree, Heath rhp 1.106 $600,000 a1 a2 a3

9 Workman, Brandonrhp 3.018 $600,000 a2 a3

Total Projected Payroll $21,000,000 $12 $0 $0 $0

 

Really not my problem if we're f***ing stupid enough to keep a $13.5M in non closer role. I stand by my post.

Edited December 17, 2016 by Nick

[Emp9]

Because they're paying him 11 million this year and there's some flickering hope he might hit again? That'd be my guess.

 

At least it's the last year they have to pay him anything.

[Bellhorn04]

Doubtful the Sox bullpen comes in under $20 million. Kimbrel is $13 million by himself and if Buchholz returns to the bullpen he adds another $13.5million.

 

But even without Clay, Ross, Thornburg, Abad, and Kelly are all up for arbitration. Pretty good chance they total up at least close to $7mill.

 

I do disagree Dombrowski is bothered by this and working on the limit. He had options, like non-tendering Abad or Ross and keeping minimum wage Robby Scott, for example. He just didn't do them...

 

Scott is still Red Sox property, isn't he?

[Bellhorn04]

1 Kimbrel, Craig rhp-c 6.066 $10,500,000 $12.00

2 Thornburg, Tyler rhp 3.057 $2,200,000 a2 a3

3 Kelly, Joe rhp 4.029 $2,600,000 a3

4 Ross, Robbie lhp 4.1 $1,800,000 a3

5 Abad, Fernando lhp 5.073 $2,000,000

6 Smith, Carson rhp 2.028 a1 a2 a3

7 Barnes, Matt rhp 1.11 a1 a2 a3

8 Hembree, Heath rhp 1.106 a1 a2 a3

9 Workman, Brandonrhp 3.018 $600,000 a2 a3

Total Projected Payroll $19,700,000 $12 $0 $0 $0

 

Really not my problem we're f***ing stupid enough to keep a $13.5M in non closer role. I stand by my post.

 

Maybe we should all wait and see what becomes of Buch...we know they had discussions with Florida about a trade...he's probably gone. And if he stays he'll probably have more innings as a starter than as a reliever.

[harmony]

Visual updates on Pablo Sandoval:

 

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2016/12/pablo_sandoval_posts_instagram.html#incart_river_index

[notin]

Maybe we should all wait and see what becomes of Buch...we know they had discussions with Florida about a trade...he's probably gone. And if he stays he'll probably have more innings as a starter than as a reliever.

 

His role is pretty up in the air right now. I like him as a starter more than Pomeranz, but I think Pomeranz was acquired with him being a cheap starter in mind...

[notin]

Scott is still Red Sox property, isn't he?

 

He's still on the 40-man.

 

But as he has options, he's probably far down the depth chart. Guys like Hembree, Abad, Eiias, and Ross who don't have options and are competing for one or two spots in the bullpen re in front of him.

 

I do expect one or two of these guys to be moved. But they might simply be released if no deal can be found, and any deal that is won't be too big of one...

[notin]

1 Kimbrel, Craig rhp-c 6.066 $10,500,000 $12.00

2 Thornburg, Tyler rhp 3.057 $2,200,000 a2 a3

3 Kelly, Joe rhp 4.029 $2,600,000 a3

4 Ross, Robbie lhp 4.1 $1,800,000 a3

5 Abad, Fernando lhp 5.073 $2,000,000

6 Smith, Carson rhp 2.028 $600,000 a2 a3

7 Barnes, Matt rhp 1.11 $600.000 a2 a3

8 Hembree, Heath rhp 1.106 $600,000 a1 a2 a3

9 Workman, Brandonrhp 3.018 $600,000 a2 a3

Total Projected Payroll $21,000,000 $12 $0 $0 $0

 

Really not my problem if we're f***ing stupid enough to keep a $13.5M in non closer role. I stand by my post.

 

What is your source here?

 

Soxprospects.com has Kimbrel down for $13mill in 2017 and B-R has him for $13.5.

 

This is probably why we don't get the sane figures. Inconsistent reporting...

Edited December 17, 2016 by notin