Span Poll: Can 2015 be salvaged for the Boston Red Sox ?

[a700hitter]

Some of you will want more choices, but there are only 2-- yes or no.

[FenwayFaithful]

No.

 

But they won't blow it up because they really can't. Porcello isn't movable. Miley may be movable, but that's debatable. Kelly's value is at an all-time low. They aren't gonna move Eddie. Masterson? *fart noise*. Buchholz? Maybe, but I don't see it. Koji, yeah, I could see that one. Swihart isn't gonna be moved. Who's gonna want Nap? Pedey and Bogey obviously aren't going anywhere. Hanley, Panda, and Castillo's contracts aren't movable. Aren't gonna trade Papi. Doubt they move Mookie. So yeah, I don't really see a big blow up at the deadline. But they're done.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It will be tough, but they can do it. There's so much potential on this team. If there's ever a team that you don't count out, it's the Red Sox.

[sk7326]

Yes ... odds are low and the peripherals are not encouraging. But the scouting elements have not faded offensively - the bat speed has not wavered much, the things you'd expect to go south (like strikeouts) have not. I think a coaching change would help.

[SoxHop]

Can they???? Possibly. Will they, I doubt it.

 

I think any moves should be made focusing more on 2016 and the future, than trying to rescue this season.

 

Moves that would hurt 2016 and beyond to rescue 2015 should not be considered.

[wyo-sox]

I voted yes... but I tend to doubt it. I would say the window for turning things around is upon them and if they don't start getting a bunch of wins like in the next couple weeks- then I would change my vote to no.

[iortiz]

No. Too many flaws.

 

IMO they have to forget about 2015. John Henry's top priority must be to find a new FO/advisors. Then in petit committee select the new coaching staff in order to prepare the plan and the strategy moving forward.

[Dojji]

Not only 2015, I think the next 2-3 years the team is cooked. We're locked into some seriously bad contracts that handcuff the team's flexibility for at least 2 years maybe 3. This is a bad time to be a Red Sox fan. Hopefully he youth can come through and prove me wrong but you can just never count on when or if a prospect is going to break through, and the free agents just haven't cut it either. We need to wait until we have a good young core again and then build on top of that with FA's, the front office is doing everything in the wrong order and trying to short-cut the cycle of life, you just can't do that in baseball, and we're paying the price now with an even longer valley before the next peak..

 

My worst case scenario involves a braindead FO auctioning off the future to try to rebuild a winner for next year. Please do not do that. Let this house of cards fall apart and build a new one. It's going to fall anyway, that way at least you get more pieces to work with.

[Palodios]

Players to trade

 

Buchholz has value because the contract is as flexible as they come, and high ceiling pitchers are worth gold this time of year. If he's healthy and continues to perform, I wouldn't be surprised if they can get major league quality talent for him. Maybe even more from Theo.

 

Hanley has a career .870 OPS. I can't stress this enough, but someone will want that bat for a stretch run. 3/60 isn't an insane contract for a 31 year old either. Argue with me all you want, there is an elite prospect waiting out there.

 

Koji is expensive, but lock down relievers can be good trade chips. Look at Miller.

 

Masterson/Victorino might be worth something in a trade if the Red Sox eat their entire contracts.

 

Players to Keep

 

Napoli is worth more here than in a trade. Same with Craig. Maybe one of them turns it around.

 

Wade Miley, Porcello too. Worth more here than in a dump.

 

Betts/Bogaerts/Swihart/Castillo/Rodriguez/Pedroia/Tazawa. They're the core, don't trade them.

 

Ortiz. Keep him for the fanbase.

[Thunder]

It will be tough, but they can do it. There's so much potential on this team. If there's ever a team that you don't count out, it's the Red Sox.

 

Yep. I agree. I still think that this team is way too talented to be this bad.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pal, Masterson and Vic have absolutely no value.

 

And while you believe Hanley to have value, he has torpedoed it in Boston. He left Boston in the Beckett trade, but everyone seemed to hate him on the way out. He played in Miami and LA, which aren't exactly fan frenzied placed to play in. His play and attitude here have been magnified and he has gone into a shell since May 1. Nobody is going to deal for him without the sox taking a massive chunk of the contract. Pal, I know you think of him as a 3 and $60 mil, but he is more than that. He still has roughly $15 mil left on his deal this yr plus 3 yrs $66 mil plus a vesting option for another $20+ mil. The sox would behoove themselves to look for a team willing to eat most of his contract and not get anything in return of value.

 

Koji has value, but he got a ridiculous deal for a 40 year old and would need to eat some cash for next yr to get an Andrew Miller type return.

 

Buchholz has value for now, until he goes on the DL. Every season the last 5 years he has hit the DL between May 30th and July 4th. If you're gonna move him, do it after his next good start and count your blessings. He's the one guy right now who is tradeable who might actually give you a good return without having to eat any cash

[iortiz]

Pal, Masterson and Vic have absolutely no value.

 

And while you believe Hanley to have value, he has torpedoed it in Boston. He left Boston in the Beckett trade, but everyone seemed to hate him on the way out. He played in Miami and LA, which aren't exactly fan frenzied placed to play in. His play and attitude here have been magnified and he has gone into a shell since May 1. Nobody is going to deal for him without the sox taking a massive chunk of the contract. Pal, I know you think of him as a 3 and $60 mil, but he is more than that. He still has roughly $15 mil left on his deal this yr plus 3 yrs $66 mil plus a vesting option for another $20+ mil. The sox would behoove themselves to look for a team willing to eat most of his contract and not get anything in return of value.

 

Koji has value, but he got a ridiculous deal for a 40 year old and would need to eat some cash for next yr to get an Andrew Miller type return.

 

Buchholz has value for now, until he goes on the DL. Every season the last 5 years he has hit the DL between May 30th and July 4th. If you're gonna move him, do it after his next good start and count your blessings. He's the one guy right now who is tradeable who might actually give you a good return without having to eat any cash

 

Wonder if some team is willing to eat Pandas', Miley's and Porcello's contracts...

[sk7326]

A creative solution: Offer Panda back to the Giants. Eat a smallish amount of his salary (say $15M of the $110 - so amazingly it would be 95 million) and ask for at least a single A lottery ticket. Giants are getting exactly diddly poo from their 3B.

 

The Red Sox 3B position is their strongest organizationally. Just put Ramirez there until the end of the season, put a potted plan in LF and see what happens.

[Bellhorn04]

A creative solution: Offer Panda back to the Giants. Eat a smallish amount of his salary (say $15M of the $110 - so amazingly it would be 95 million) and ask for at least a single A lottery ticket. Giants are getting exactly diddly poo from their 3B.

 

The Red Sox 3B position is their strongest organizationally. Just put Ramirez there until the end of the season, put a potted plan in LF and see what happens.

 

Creative solutions are exactly what this team needs.

[Palodios]

Pal, Masterson and Vic have absolutely no value.

 

Maybe Masterson is done, but I read a few reports of teams that would be interested in him if he didn't cost salary. Victorino is a great platoon option, with speed and defense that could be very helpful to a contending team. They're not going to bring in top prospects, but maybe some minor leaguers with low, but possible MLB ceilings.

 

And while you believe Hanley to have value...The sox would behoove themselves to look for a team willing to eat most of his contract and not get anything in return of value.

 

Find me a better offensive player on the trade market, and we can change the course of this discussion, but until then, he certainly has value to a team.

 

Koji has value, but he got a ridiculous deal for a 40 year old and would need to eat some cash for next yr to get an Andrew Miller type return.

 

If they get a top prospect for Koji, they'll eat money. Look at Moncada -- they have no problem spending money to add minor league talent. The Red Sox are lucky that the Phillies have been shopping Papelbon so long... it makes Koji cheap by comparison.

 

Buchholz has value for now, until he goes on the DL. Every season the last 5 years he has hit the DL between May 30th and July 4th. If you're gonna move him, do it after his next good start and count your blessings. He's the one guy right now who is tradeable who might actually give you a good return without having to eat any cash

 

Sounds like a plan to me.

[iortiz]

Just check Papelbon's numbers, and he seems like an old wine to me. He has earned his paycheck thus far as I predicted . Phillies' problems are far beyond Papelbon. It's a shame that he played for that team; in a contender one, he would have shinned much more.

[cp176]

A creative solution: Offer Panda back to the Giants. Eat a smallish amount of his salary (say $15M of the $110 - so amazingly it would be 95 million) and ask for at least a single A lottery ticket. Giants are getting exactly diddly poo from their 3B.

 

The Red Sox 3B position is their strongest organizationally. Just put Ramirez there until the end of the season, put a potted plan in LF and see what happens.

 

I like this. I did see a kid playing third in Portland who I liked. Maybe Cechinni(sp) gets a shot.

[cp176]

Maybe Masterson is done, but I read a few reports of teams that would be interested in him if he didn't cost salary. Victorino is a great platoon option, with speed and defense that could be very helpful to a contending team. They're not going to bring in top prospects, but maybe some minor leaguers with low, but possible MLB ceilings.

 

 

 

Find me a better offensive player on the trade market, and we can change the course of this discussion, but until then, he certainly has value to a team.

 

 

 

If they get a top prospect for Koji, they'll eat money. Look at Moncada -- they have no problem spending money to add minor league talent. The Red Sox are lucky that the Phillies have been shopping Papelbon so long... it makes Koji cheap by comparison.

 

 

 

Sounds like a plan to me.

 

 

These are the types of changes that it is going to take. It probably won't happen because somebody would have to admit that a whole lot of things just didn't work out. Some would call them mistakes I guess. The easy path as we have seen before is to fire the coach. If they don't start winning, it will be interesting to see if the real issues get addressed.

[Palodios]

Just check Papelbon's numbers, and he seems like an old wine to me. He has earned his paycheck thus far as I predicted . Phillies' problems are far beyond Papelbon. It's a shame that he played for that team; in a contender one, he would have shinned much more.

 

Call me surprised, but he's earned that contract.

[Palodios]

I like this. I did see a kid playing third in Portland who I liked. Maybe Cechinni(sp) gets a shot.

 

There's also this Brock Holt guy who probably deserves an every day job.

[cp176]

There's also this Brock Holt guy who probably deserves an every day job.

 

I agree - He just might be too valuable to lock up in one position. On this team, he definitely should be playing somewhere everyday.

[User Name]

Closer is not this team's problem, and Papelbon is not that good. Case closed.

[iortiz]

It doesn't matter whether you like him or not. He is a stud at closing, and it is not even debatable.

 

This season, he is posting his best numbers thus far. A ridiculous 1 ERA. and 100 SV%.

 

Let me put this in context. Mo has a 21.9 WAR from 1997 to 2006 (10 Y) when he began to SV a lot of games (43). Pap? 19.1 WAR in the last 10 and still a half of a season remaining. As I said, He is in Mariano's highway and earning every penny.

Edited June 16, 2015 by iortiz

[Spudboy]

Papelbon is irrelevant.

[iortiz]

Papelbon is irrelevant.

 

Pal was making a point, which is oks.

[mvp 78]

To the original question: f*** no...

[Kimmi]

I think you all know how I voted.

 

And you guys are still really depressing.

[a700hitter]

I think you all know how I voted.

 

And you guys are still really depressing.

 

I voted yes, so I think we are in agreement on this one. However, I don't think it will happen by regressing to the mean. We are at a critical juncture. Moves need to be made soon to turn things around.

[Northern Star]

I voted yes, in deference to Kimmi and the fact we're not mathematically out of it yet. It doesn't look good, and it's a long shot, but it ain't over til it's over.

[Northern Star]

Jesus are we STILL talking about Papelbon? LET. IT. GO.