Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[User Name]

General Expenses? Are you saying that the arb numbers is general expenses? Or general Expenses plus arb salaries being higher than the 130 number?

 

Ok at 130 add Hamilton at 25 = 155million

189 minus 155 = 34 million to stay under the luxury tax

 

Hamilton at 25 per year for 5 or Swisher at 18 per year for 5

Id take Hamilton anyday. 7million is spliting hairs but the 10+ hrs and 15+ RBIs could mean five or six more wins per year compared to Swisher. Also Hamilton will make Pedoria Nap and Ortiz #s better because pitchers are going to pitch around Hamilton than they would Swisher. In the competitive AL East it has come down to soo few games apart of the last couple of years and 2013 competition is even tougher the guy who is gonna help the most is who they should get.

 

General expenses is a number by itself, and it's usually around 10 million.

 

You'd have to make the calculation closer to 140 for it to be realistic. Also, i very much doubt Swisher gets 18 per.

[dupree]

General expenses is a number by itself, and it's usually around 10 million.

 

You'd have to make the calculation closer to 140 for it to be realistic. Also, i very much doubt Swisher gets 18 per.[/QU

 

BJ Upton got 15 million per season and you dont think Swisher will get atleast 18 per year

2013 is the year of the overpay.

 

Going back to your 140 million figure. Thats 44 million under the luxury tax and still gives the red sox room to sign Hamilton & get pitching. Tho i think pitching should be acquired via trade. & keep the 19 left over after Hamilton signs for mid season trades which allow them to lock a pitcher/hitter up long term.

[SoxSport]

You heard the saying, "You can never have enough pitching?"

 

Well, with the Red Sox pitching, you can never have enough hitting.

[BSN07]

General expenses is a number by itself, and it's usually around 10 million.

 

You'd have to make the calculation closer to 140 for it to be realistic. Also, i very much doubt Swisher gets 18 per.[/QU

 

BJ Upton got 15 million per season and you dont think Swisher will get atleast 18 per year

2013 is the year of the overpay.

 

Going back to your 140 million figure. Thats 44 million under the luxury tax and still gives the red sox room to sign Hamilton & get pitching. Tho i think pitching should be acquired via trade. & keep the 19 left over after Hamilton signs for mid season trades which allow them to lock a pitcher/hitter up long term.

 

Swisher is more likely to get 13-15M for 4-5 years. Upton is like 3 or 4 years younger.

[SoxSport]

 

Swisher is more likely to get 13-15M for 4-5 years. Upton is like 3 or 4 years younger.

 

I like Swisher better than Upton. Better batting eye, switch hitter, more consistent.

 

Wish Hamilton would sign with the Rangers so the Sox can go after Swisher.

[Bellhorn04]

 

I like Swisher better than Upton. Better batting eye, switch hitter, more consistent.

 

Wish Hamilton would sign with the Rangers so the Sox can go after Swisher.

 

What position would Swisher be playing?

[dupree]

 

What position would Swisher be playing?

 

I think you have to pencil Swisher in Left Field if they sign Swisher

 

Vic is faster and could cover Right Field better than Swisher

[SoxFanForsyth]

Swisher can play RF, LF, or 1B.

 

Napoli can play C or 1B.

 

Victorino can play any OF position.

 

Swisher certainly fits the mold as the LH hitting 1B with versatility.

 

For the most part, you're going to see Swish - Ells - Vic as the OF, but if you want to sit Lavarnway/Ross for a game (DH followed by a day game for instance), you can throw Gomes in LF, Swish at 1B, Nap behind the dish.

 

There is a ton of roster flexibility if the Sox sign Swisher.

[dupree]

Swisher can play RF, LF, or 1B.

 

Napoli can play C or 1B.

 

Victorino can play any OF position.

 

Swisher certainly fits the mold as the LH hitting 1B with versatility.

 

For the most part, you're going to see Swish - Ells - Vic as the OF, but if you want to sit Lavarnway/Ross for a game (DH followed by a day game for instance), you can throw Gomes in LF, Swish at 1B, Nap behind the dish.

 

There is a ton of roster flexibility if the Sox sign Swisher.

 

Im a big supporter of them signing Hamilton. But the versatility of Swisher my be what the Red Sox are looking for. Maybe Swish is just waiting to see what Hamilton gets before he signs. Do you think he would take a 3/39 that seems to be the trend... at 13the per year that would be a steal and i dont see him settling for 13 per

[iortiz]

Lets say we add Hamilton but we don't do a goddamn thing in fixing our pitching. We'll see the same 2011-2012 seasons all over again or worst. So.... In the end you wouldn't be improving a bit this team, furthermore, IMO you would be wasting the money in those contracts (Hamilton, Victorino, Napoli)

[iortiz]

Swisher is looking for 60+/4yr? No thanks. I would give 100M/4yr to Hamilton instead, but still pitching the #1 priority.

[User Name]

Swisher is looking for 60+/4yr? No thanks. I would give 100M/4yr to Hamilton instead, but still pitching the #1 priority.

 

4/100 is not getting Hamilton though. If it did, someone would have signed him already. He'd have to get desperate to go for that number and it's still relatively early in the offseason.

 

Also, who cares about Hamilton.....where's the pitching?

[iortiz]

4/100 is not getting Hamilton though. If it did, someone would have signed him already. He'd have to get desperate to go for that number and it's still relatively early in the offseason.

 

Also, who cares about Hamilton.....where's the pitching?

 

Well, I just read in ESPN that he probably would accept a 4 year deal.... But yeah... Who cares about Hamilton, Where are the damn arms?

[SoxSport]

 

What position would Swisher be playing?

 

No fit for he or Hamilton unless they deal Ellsbury and Vic plays CF. It's not out of the question but unlikely. Hamilton would have to fall into their laps for 3-4 years. Does Ross fit part-time? Not for the money he wants.

 

I think they have their OF right now, unless they trade Ells. Not much power out there in the corners except for Gomes, who is a platoon player. Maybe Ells will find his power again.

[dupree]

4/100 is not getting Hamilton though. If it did, someone would have signed him already. He'd have to get desperate to go for that number and it's still relatively early in the offseason.

 

Also, who cares about Hamilton.....where's the pitching?

 

What deal is getting Hamilton then? An average of 25million per year isnt enough?

 

The line-up as it sits now needs another hitter bottom line... the whole world know we need pitching in boston... & im sure at some point the FO will address it hopefully sooner rather than later before all the decent arms are gone, if not all the management should be run outta town!!!

Also what pitching would you get User Name? Everything on the market is an overpay

My opinion is a trade for pitching is the only way to go

[SoxSport]

Well, I just read in ESPN that he probably would accept a 4 year deal.... But yeah... Who cares about Hamilton, Where are the damn arms?

 

They should grab him for 4 yrs. They can afford it, and he fills the middle of their lineup.

One of the top 3-4 hitters in baseball.You only live once--not twice, like James Bond. This would be a ballsy move--trade Boras/Ellsbury for a pitcher. Sign Wilson, too, in case Bailey slips on a banana peel. No joke there.

 

 

The arms, by the way are the three top prospects they have--two from the Dodgers and the knuckleballer Wright, who they say is ready right now. Why sign more pitchers long term when you've got these guys? DeLaRosa is a stud.

[jung]

With our luck DeLaRosa will be a stud...as in a 2x4, 16" on center found in your typical newly constructed home.

[mvp 78]

With our luck DeLaRosa will be a stud...as in a 2x4, 16" on center found in your typical newly constructed home.

 

So, very usefull and helps hold the house together?

[redsoxfan3]

What deal is getting Hamilton then? An average of 25million per year isnt enough?

 

The line-up as it sits now needs another hitter bottom line... the whole world know we need pitching in boston... & im sure at some point the FO will address it hopefully sooner rather than later before all the decent arms are gone, if not all the management should be run outta town!!!

Also what pitching would you get User Name? Everything on the market is an overpay

My opinion is a trade for pitching is the only way to go

 

Everything on the market is probably going to get overpaid. We have the financial flexibility to overpay someone. I know that no one ever wants to do that, but this year we may need to. There are not too many options and we are in a decent financial situation to do so. The only one I would go more than three years for is Anibal Sanchez. I would prefer if we at least got one of Edwin Jackson, Kyle Lohse, or Anibal Sanchez. Two would be awesome. Point being, we need at the very least one new addition to the rotation.

[Orange Juiced]

Everything on the market is probably going to get overpaid. We have the financial flexibility to overpay someone. I know that no one ever wants to do that, but this year we may need to. There are not too many options and we are in a decent financial situation to do so. The only one I would go more than three years for is Anibal Sanchez. I would prefer if we at least got one of Edwin Jackson, Kyle Lohse, or Anibal Sanchez. Two would be awesome. Point being, we need at the very least one new addition to the rotation.

 

I've been saying it and I'll keep saying it....

 

1. Hamilton for 3/81 if you need to go that high in AAV.

 

2. Salty + a lesser prospect for Gavin Floyd.

 

3. Sign Anibal Sanchez or Edwin Jackson - 4/60.

 

4. Ellsbury to Atlanta for Delgado or Teheran or Beachy.

 

CF - Victorino

2b - Pedroia

RF - Hamilton

1b - Napoli (thought that deal may be in trouble)

DH - Ortiz

3b - Middlebrooks

LF - Gomes/Kalish

C - Lavarnway

SS - Iglesias

 

Rotation - Lester, Sanchez, Floyd, Buchholz, Lackey

Bullpen - Doubront, Morales, Bailey, Uehara, Melancon, Delgado/Teheran, Bard, Tazawa

 

That's a serious team. And all of that, I believe, is doable.

[redsoxfan3]

I've been saying it and I'll keep saying it....

 

1. Hamilton for 3/81 if you need to go that high in AAV.

 

2. Salty + a lesser prospect for Gavin Floyd.

 

3. Sign Anibal Sanchez or Edwin Jackson - 4/60.

 

4. Ellsbury to Atlanta for Delgado or Teheran or Beachy.

 

CF - Victorino

2b - Pedroia

RF - Hamilton

1b - Napoli (thought that deal may be in trouble)

DH - Ortiz

3b - Middlebrooks

LF - Gomes/Kalish

C - Lavarnway

SS - Iglesias

 

Rotation - Lester, Sanchez, Floyd, Buchholz, Lackey

Bullpen - Doubront, Morales, Bailey, Uehara, Melancon, Delgado/Teheran, Bard, Tazawa

 

That's a serious team. And all of that, I believe, is doable.

 

I just don't see that Ellbury to Atlanta trade working out. They just got B.J. Upton to play CF, so I am not sure why they would trade for Ellsbury when there OF is set with Prado, Upton, and Heyward. I do think that with that team, that it would be a contender.

 

If we do sign Hamilton, then Ellsbury is definitely able to get traded, but I just do not see that happening. When and if that time comes, then we can discuss it. If we do not sign Hamilton and get a guy like Swisher, we could still keep Ellsbury. Swisher can get time in LF, RF, and at 1B. He can get a lot of playing time against RHH pitching in LF and Gomes would play against LHH pitching in LF. That would offer us a lot of flexibility.

 

I do like the addition of Floyd and Sanchez or Jackson.

[User Name]

I've been saying it and I'll keep saying it....

 

1. Hamilton for 3/81 if you need to go that high in AAV.

 

2. Salty + a lesser prospect for Gavin Floyd.

 

3. Sign Anibal Sanchez or Edwin Jackson - 4/60.

 

4. Ellsbury to Atlanta for Delgado or Teheran or Beachy.

 

CF - Victorino

2b - Pedroia

RF - Hamilton

1b - Napoli (thought that deal may be in trouble)

DH - Ortiz

3b - Middlebrooks

LF - Gomes/Kalish

C - Lavarnway

SS - Iglesias

 

Rotation - Lester, Sanchez, Floyd, Buchholz, Lackey

Bullpen - Doubront, Morales, Bailey, Uehara, Melancon, Delgado/Teheran, Bard, Tazawa

 

That's a serious team. And all of that, I believe, is doable.

 

Why would Atlanta ever trade Beachy, Teheran or Delgado for Ellsbury?

[seabeachfred]

Someone said the Napoli deal may be in trouble. Anyone know anything about that? I still don't like Victorino signing. I think whether he had a bad hand last season or not his numbers are on the way down---and we do need another big hitter in the lineup as well as at least one solid starting pitcher. So what the hell is the hangup? We have the money, there are people who can help out there, so why is Cherington suddenly acting like Fredo again. For those who say other teams are now quiet too, my response is those teams didn't go 69-93 this past season, they did not stink their city up, they were not a disgrace to themselves and their fans. It is time to move and get the job done.

[redsoxfan3]

Why would Atlanta ever trade Beachy, Teheran or Delgado for Ellsbury?

 

That is true, but they don't even need a CF.

[User Name]

Someone said the Napoli deal may be in trouble. Anyone know anything about that? I still don't like Victorino signing. I think whether he had a bad hand last season or not his numbers are on the way down---and we do need another big hitter in the lineup as well as at least one solid starting pitcher. So what the hell is the hangup? We have the money, there are people who can help out there, so why is Cherington suddenly acting like Fredo again. For those who say other teams are now quiet too, my response is those teams didn't go 69-93 this past season, they did not stink their city up, they were not a disgrace to themselves and their fans. It is time to move and get the job done.

 

Define "on the way down". He had an awesome 2011 with a mid-800's OPS. If he had a bad hand last year, then how were his numbers on the way down if he had such a big season just before the one with the injury?

[SoxSport]

might be a 40 man roster issue that's causing the Napoli delay.

[SoxSport]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/24080/source-red-sox-have-interest-in-swisher

 

Edes confirms the Sox are after Hamilton and want Swisher if they can't get Hamilton.

 

This is consistent with my previous posts about the need for more thump in the middle of the lineup.A throwback to the days when Manny was around. Shows that their thinking is not far off. I'd expect them to go after pitching only if they don't get either of the two outfielders.

 

Edes says they won't go over 3 years on Hamilton, but that could be posturing. Lucchino said they were not going to give contracts for "6, 7, 8 years." He didn't say 4 or 5.

 

Given the monetary situation, the Sox are in great position to outbid everybody on Hamilton except the LA teams, who aren't involved at this point.

[DocHolliday]

Well it looks like Trevor Bauer is off the board now, as he's being reported as the pitcher going to the Guardians in the Choo deal with the Reds. A 3 team trade made it happen, but this is the type of deal the Red Sox could have made to address some of the pitching issues.

 

I've tried to maintain patience with the FO to this point but it is beginning to wear thin. The whole thing with Napoli is becoming a joke. His signing was first reported 8 days ago and he has yet to be announced. Now we are hearing reports of a move made by the Guardians for Bauer that the Red Sox could have easily made with Ellsbury, who is all but gone after next season (as Choo was with the Guardians).

 

They sure aren't going to win the fans faith back if they stay on a path of no action and no communication.

[iortiz]

Sure, we still need a centerpiece bat and Hamilton would be a terrific addition.

[DocHolliday]

Lots of reports coming out of AZ saying that Justin Upton is no longer available for trade.

 

That means Texas is almost forced to resign Hamilton or trade for an impact CF like Granderson or Ellsbury. Makes no sense to get into a bidding war with the Rangers or Mariners over Hamilton. Stand firm on 3 years and focus on improving the pitching in the meantime.