Red Sox Pre-Offseason Mega Thread

[drewski6]

3 hours ago, notin said:

I’m not going to cry about missing out on Alonso, who I’ve never thought of a built for Fenway  (unless you like wall-ball singles).  The Sox were 7th in MLB in runs scored and lost Bregman and Toro/Lowe.  It wasn’t hard hard to envision status quo there, which plenty of pundits did…

7th isnt good enough, and I saw a few pundits put us around 18 for expected runs in 2026.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

Can't get RBI's if guys are not getting on base in front of you. Is that the only thing you're judging by is RBIs???

And I’ll say again the numbers for the 2026 season is in the books. 16 more RBI just on HR alone than the Con Man.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He probably still wants Renfroe back.

You guys are coming up with all kinds of excuses, but like I said you can’t change the numbers for 2026. How many Red Sox outside of Raffy have put up the numbers he did since he left?

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

And I’ll say again the numbers for the 2026 season is in the books. 16 more RBI just on HR alone than the Con Man.

Repeat this 129 times:

ABs 

115 RISP 52 RBIs Willson (45%) / 143 ABs and 60 Pete (42%)

198 Men on Base 67 RBI (34%)/ 277 and 95 Pete (34%)

250 Nobody on base 14 RBI (6%)/ 325 and 25 Pete (8%)

The only better RBIs/AB by Pete was with bases empty.

Continue your meaningless rant.

 

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You guys are coming up with all kinds of excuses, but like I said you can’t change the numbers for 2026. How many Red Sox outside of Raffy have put up the numbers he did since he left?

It's facts not excuses.

Now, you act like I didnt want Alonso. I wanted his 100+ RBIs, but he might not have gotten 100 with 3 guys around a .310 OBP in front of him. Solo homers only go so far, and he wasn't about to hit 45 solo blasts for the Sox.

[Old Red]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Repeat this 129 times:

ABs 

115 RISP 52 RBIs Willson (45%) / 143 ABs and 60 Pete (42%)

198 Men on Base 67 RBI (34%)/ 277 and 95 Pete (34%)

250 Nobody on base 14 RBI (6%)/ 325 and 25 Pete (8%)

The only better RBIs/AB by Pete was with bases empty.

Continue your meaningless rant.

 

You guys can come up with all the ifs, ands, and buts all you want, but you can’t change the actual numbers that happened this year, and is in the books for 2026. I’m just going on the actual numbers themselves that is in the books, and what numbers Alonso, and the Con Man actually put up. You can try all you want, but you can’t change actual numbers? I guess Alonso has just been lucky all these years to hit a Lot More homers, and RBI than the Con Man in their careers.

[JimEd]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

They were trying to cut payroll. Their roster management is kind of a mess right now and they don't really need more long term deals. I believe they have the oldest roster in MLB.  

according to this, the Phillies are at 10 and just younger than the Red Sox. surprising to me was Tampa having the oldest.

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/rosters/_/sort/average_age/order/true

[Old Red]

31 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It's facts not excuses.

Now, you act like I didnt want Alonso. I wanted his 100+ RBIs, but he might not have gotten 100 with 3 guys around a .310 OBP in front of him. Solo homers only go so far, and he wasn't about to hit 45 solo blasts for the Sox.

Actual numbers in the books is all I care about. You care about all these other things, and you can’t change what actually happened this year no matter how many things you come up with. If it makes you feel better, and it obviously does look at it your way, but it still won’t change the actual stats that happened this year.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

Actual numbers in the books is all I care about. 

Thanks. The numbers I cited were from this year.

Do care about them.

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, drewski6 said:

7th isnt good enough, and I saw a few pundits put us around 18 for expected runs in 2026.

I agree, but 7th might have got us farther in 2026.

In 2025, we were 10th in runs allowed (676.) THis year, we were 3rd at 611. (65 run difference)

We scored 689 this year (23rd. ) Last year, we scored 786 (7th.) A 97 run difference and nearly the same record.

Imagine 611 runs allowed and 786 scored. That's a team that should advance farther. (+175 would blow all AL teams away.)

MIL was +214 and LAD +201. The Sox woulda been 3rd.

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Thanks. The numbers I cited were from this year.

Do care about them.

Yes, but that’s not changing the stats that each player actually put up this year,and there is nothing you can do to change that. Alonso is still going to have 16 more homers, 32 more RBI, 32 more runs scored, and played 31 more games than Con Man, and he’s put up better numbers his whole career than the Con Man. How it all happened I don’t care.  Call it luck, circumstances, or just plain ability I DON’T CARE, and the back of the bubblegum card doesn’t care either.👋

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yes, but that’s not changing the stats that each player actually put up this year,and there is nothing you can do to change that. Alonso is still going to have 16 more homers, 32 more RBI, 32 more runs scored, and played 31 more games than Con Man, and he’s put up better numbers his whole career than the Con Man. How it all happened I don’t care.  Call it luck, circumstances, or just plain ability I DON’T CARE, and the back of the bubblegum card doesn’t care either.👋

Who changed any stats?

Every number I presented were actual numbers- not projections.

I guess only bubblegum card numbers are real in your world.

We all care about total HRs and RBIs, but some of us see the world is not just black and white. It's not changing facts- it's seeing there are more facts if you care to look.

I'm fine with you not caring, but don't lie and call it changing numbers. Adding context is not changing anything.

Alonso had more HRs and RBIs than Contreras- nobody denies it or is trying to change that. He had way more chances, and a lesser batter may or may not have had more than he did, had he had way more chances. That's a fact, too.

Nothing is being changed.

 

[notin]

3 hours ago, Old Red said:

You guys can come up with all the ifs, ands, and buts all you want, but you can’t change the actual numbers that happened this year, and is in the books for 2026. I’m just going on the actual numbers themselves that is in the books, and what numbers Alonso, and the Con Man actually put up. You can try all you want, but you can’t change actual numbers? I guess Alonso has just been lucky all these years to hit a Lot More homers, and RBI than the Con Man in their careers.

Right. Actual numbers.

How many home runs would Alonso have hit at Fenway?  How many RBIs without Taylor Ward, etc. on base in front of him?  If you want to use “real numbers”, the ones from Baltimore aren’t necessarily useful.

But hey, you only waited a year to get on the Alonso bandwagon…

[jdc69]

36 minutes ago, notin said:

Right. Actual numbers.

How many home runs would Alonso have hit at Fenway?  How many RBIs without Taylor Ward, etc. on base in front of him?  If you want to use “real numbers”, the ones from Baltimore aren’t necessarily useful.

But hey, you only waited a year to get on the Alonso bandwagon…

I called getting Alonso over Bregman. Instead we got Bregman and in doing so, lied and insulted Devers. Now we have none. The Red Sox are stupid.

[Old Red]

25 minutes ago, jdc69 said:

I called getting Alonso over Bregman. Instead we got Bregman and in doing so, lied and insulted Devers. Now we have none. The Red Sox are stupid.

I agree on Alonso, and as I said before last offseason started I would have signed Alonso, and Schwaber. Schwaber was more of a pipe dream, but those were the two best options out there for power bats.  Agree also on Devers. As for the Red Sox being stupid I just think they took the cheaper way out.

[Hugh2]

7 hours ago, Old Red said:

And I’ll say again the numbers for the 2026 season is in the books. 16 more RBI just on HR alone than the Con Man.

I ain’t talking about the Con Man, you called Alonso a top 3 hitter in the league

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I ain’t talking about the Con Man, you called Alonso a top 3 hitter in the league

Where did I say he was a top 3 hitter in the league? I said he was the top run producer in RBI the last 5 years, and 4th in HR.🤔

[Old Red]

7 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Alonso is a GREAT power hitter. If he's available, every team should seriously consider picking him up. He's also been reliably healthy. 

Since '22:

4th in HR

12th R

8th ISO

14th wRC+

Bingo!

[jdc69]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I agree on Alonso, and as I said before last offseason started I would have signed Alonso, and Schwaber. Schwaber was more of a pipe dream, but those were the two best options out there for power bats.  Agree also on Devers. As for the Red Sox being stupid I just think they took the cheaper way 

Thats true. I forgot we put all our hopes on Casas. 😆 

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, jdc69 said:

Thats true. I forgot we put all our hopes on Casas. 😆 

LOL, yes, the ole red strawman returned after the team failed.

[Tedballgame]

Shane Drohan unable to close out World Series for Brewers.

[Hugh2]

7 hours ago, Old Red said:

Where did I say he was a top 3 hitter in the league? I said he was the top run producer in RBI the last 5 years, and 4th in HR.🤔

Oh you’re specifically saying he just has more rbis and not that you’d take him off the likes of Judge or Ohtani.  I gotcha, my mistake 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

7 hours ago, Tedballgame said:

Shane Drohan unable to close out World Series for Brewers.

And Booser the night before for Tampa.

I didn't realize Drohan was second to Miz in IP for Milwaukee this year (Harrison had a good first half).

Nothing personal, but I'm ok with ex-Red Sox pitchers failing in the postseason. Especially Dustin May, who all of sudden is throwing 99 mph. To me he'll always  represent both flops of the Devers trade and the '25 deadline.

[Hugh2]

Instead of comparing the Con-man to Alonso, which is unfair why not compare Alonso to Yoshida?

I think it would have made perfect sense to ship Yoshida out of town and Sign Alonso to be your DH.  Then you have Alonso's bat in your lineup without the glove hurting you. 

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Oh you’re specifically saying he just has more rbis and not that you’d take him off the likes of Judge or Ohtani.  I gotcha, my mistake 

Alonso has the most RBI in MLB the past 5 years, and 4h Homers. Those are facts. I think it’s more than just coincidence, or luck that he accomplished that. I’m certainly not saying he’s better than Judge, or The Big O, but here’s the kicker. Alonso was out there for the taking this past offseason, and the others were not. 

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Instead of comparing the Con-man to Alonso, which is unfair why not compare Alonso to Yoshida?

I think it would have made perfect sense to ship Yoshida out of town and Sign Alonso to be your DH.  Then you have Alonso's bat in your lineup without the glove hurting you. 

Alonso isn't great at 1b, but he's better than Casas was and not many people were ringing the bell about getting him off 1b. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, Old Red said:

Alonso has the most RBI in MLB the past 5 years, and 4h Homers. Those are facts. I think it’s more than just coincidence, or luck that he accomplished that. I’m certainly not saying he’s better than Judge, or The Big O, but here’s the kicker. Alonso was out there for the taking this past offseason, and the others were not. 

Contreras didn't have a lot of RBI this season because the 1 and 2 hitters for the Sox stunk and couldn't get on base. 

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Contreras didn't have a lot of RBI this season because the 1 and 2 hitters for the Sox stunk and couldn't get on base. 

I get all that on the Con Man, and as I said before that he had a good year, but he’s just not in the league of Alonso in the power numbers for their careers, or for last year.

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Alonso isn't great at 1b, but he's better than Casas was and not many people were ringing the bell about getting him off 1b. 

Alonso doesn’t have much range, but he’s no butcher over there catching throws, or digging balls out of the dirt.

[Hugh2]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Alonso isn't great at 1b, but he's better than Casas was and not many people were ringing the bell about getting him off 1b. 

Oh is that who the "con-man" is? I'm sorry I haven't really cared enough to keep up with all these personal nick names.  I thought we were comparing him to Contreras.