Red Sox front office did something right. They got rid of Devers.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Ok but to be fair he was a good hitter while here.....he was never a gold glover. 

He was and he should be a good hitter.  Just not a great hitter.  But to suggest that this is all related to SF is a step too far.  I always focus on road stats because that's about as level a playing field as you can get.  To suggest that Bregman, Bichette, Marte, Devers, etc., would be great, if only they played at Fenway, just ignores reality.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

He was and he should be a good hitter.  Just not a great hitter.  But to suggest that this is all related to SF is a step too far.  I always focus on road stats because that's about as level a playing field as you can get.  To suggest that Bregman, Bichette, Marte, Devers, etc., would be great, if only they played at Fenway, just ignores reality.

We've already seen Devers be great at Fenway and know SF is a terrible hitters park. 

Marte is already in a hitters park. Bichette wasn't a great fit for Fenway because of his swing. Wrigley isn't a great place for RHB and Breggie is still pulling the ball like he did at Fenway (much higher away OPS). I think his numbers pick up eventually. He may not go on a tear like he did early in '25 though. 

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

We've already seen Devers be great at Fenway and know SF is a terrible hitters park. 

But all his numbers are down.  His career road OPS is .825 and this year it is .704.  K/W is much worse.  Even his numbers at Oracle are down, by almost the same amount that his road numbers are down (104).  I don't see how someone can reasonably say that Devers has hit worse everywhere in the world, but if he got back to Fenway, he'd be great.

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

But all his numbers are down.  His career road OPS is .825 and this year it is .704.  K/W is much worse.  Even his numbers at Oracle are down, by almost the same amount that his road numbers are down (104).  I don't see how someone can reasonably say that Devers has hit worse everywhere in the world, but if he got back to Fenway, he'd be great.

If you want to see it you will, and if you don’t want to see it you won’t.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

On 5/8/2026 at 8:13 AM, mvp 78 said:

I wonder if the O's FO considered Chris Davis a *happy little accident?"

[vegasbob]

I love to check this thread a few times a day. just because it feels so rewarding to read the headline

[mvp 78]

 

[UtahSox]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

And this doesn’t take into account the frequency in which those AB’s happen at Oracle (worst Bp for hitter) vs Fenway (top 10 Bp for hitter)

 

Bad contract in 2030 no doubt. But good hell we could use that bat. 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

And this doesn’t take into account the frequency in which those AB’s happen at Oracle (worst Bp for hitter) vs Fenway (top 10 Bp for hitter)

 

Bad contract in 2030 no doubt. But good hell we could use that bat. 

But he was a 💃! Can't be having a guy wearing headphones in the clubhouse like that!

[mvp 78]

I can't believe Devers told everyone that Breslow needs to start doing his job...

I'm just getting word in that Breslow has in fact not been doing his job for the past 15 months or so... Tough look in hindsight.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I can't believe Devers told everyone that Breslow needs to start doing his job...

I'm just getting word in that Breslow has in fact not been doing his job for the past 15 months or so... Tough look in hindsight.

How can a CBO described by his own employee as a stiff assemble a batting order so flaccid.

[UtahSox]

I just sat my kids down and taught them a new acronym WWCBD.
What would Craig Breslow do.
 

I told them if they have any big decision, or debatable instinct ask themselves this: what would Craig Breslow do? Then do the exact f🤬🤬🤬ing opposite?

[Bellhorn04]

26 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

And this doesn’t take into account the frequency in which those AB’s happen at Oracle (worst Bp for hitter) vs Fenway (top 10 Bp for hitter)

 

Bad contract in 2030 no doubt. But good hell we could use that bat. 

In 2026 Devers has a .706 OPS and a 101 OPS+ and a 0.2 bWAR.  Sox fans wouldn't be happy with that.

Our offense is horrible and we're desperate.  But Devers is not having much of a season.

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

How can a CBO described by his own employee as a stiff assemble a batting order so flaccid.

Left the timer on too long. 

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

In 2026 Devers has a .706 OPS and a 101 OPS+ and a 0.2 bWAR.  Sox fans wouldn't be happy with that.

Our offense is horrible and we're desperate.  But Devers is not having much of a season.

Red Sox DHs have a 626 OPS this year. Even though Devers has struggled, he'd be better than the slop we have now. 

[UtahSox]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Red Sox DHs have a 626 OPS this year. Even though Devers has struggled, he'd be better than the slop we have now. 

Bellhorn is right but if we knew what would transpire since we’d put RD11 in the Sox HOF now. 

[Old Red]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

In 2026 Devers has a .706 OPS and a 101 OPS+ and a 0.2 bWAR.  Sox fans wouldn't be happy with that.

Our offense is horrible and we're desperate.  But Devers is not having much of a season.

Are you speculating he’d have those same numbers if he had stayed with the Red Sox as the DH?

[notin]

39 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Are you speculating he’d have those same numbers if he had stayed with the Red Sox as the DH?

OPS+ does scale to the ballpark and schedule.

Devers OPS+ of 101 (1% above league average) translates to a .706 OPS in Oracle.

Tyler Freeman has an OPS of .725, but in Coors that translates to an OPS+ of 95, or 5% below league average…

[Old Red]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

OPS+ does scale to the ballpark and schedule.

Devers OPS+ of 101 (1% above league average) translates to a .706 OPS in Oracle.

Tyler Freeman has an OPS of .725, but in Coors that translates to an OPS+ of 95, or 5% below league average…

Huh? I t would be completely different atmosphere, and circumstances that NOTHING you can up with could measure. Translating means diddly squat.

[notin]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

Huh? I t would be completely different atmosphere, and circumstances that NOTHING you can up with could measure. Translating means diddily squat.

In layman’s terms, Devers .706 ops In Oracle is more impressive than Freeman’s .725 OPS in Coors.  

I wanted a Fenway comp, but the closest I had was Connor Wong’s OPS+ of 103 at .713.  That seemed a similar scale to Devers in Oracle…

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

In layman’s terms, Devers .706 ops In Oracle is more impressive than Freeman’s .725 OPS in Coors.  

I wanted a Fenway comp, but the closest I had was Connor Wong’s OPS+ of 103 at .713.  That seemed a similar scale to Devers in Oracle…

You guys think you can measure anything, and you can’t. You can’t measure mindset. You can’t measure effort,  and you can’t measure atmosphere. Trying to comp exactly what he did with SF to being the same thing in Boston is completely fruitless, and useless, because of what I mentioned IMO.

[notin]

8 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You guys think you can measure anything, and you can’t. You can’t measure mindset. You can’t measure effort,  and you can’t measure atmosphere. Trying to comp exactly what he did with SF to being the same thing in Boston is completely fruitless, and useless, because of what I mentioned IMO.

Well thanks for telling us you’re clearly the smartest person out there and your pure speculation is superior to the entire industry’s mathematical work that you don’t even understand…

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Well thanks for telling us you’re clearly the smartest person out there and your pure speculation is superior to the entire industry’s mathematical work that you don’t even understand…

Huh? Nice try, but it’s nothing but fantasy speculation that you can’t measure what stats Raffy would have put up with the Red Sox based on what he did with SF of course leaving out the things I mentioned that CANNOT be measured, and you don’t have to be any kind of genius to understand that. NO MATHEMATICAL input can measure the things I mentioned that you obviously don’t understand.👋

[notin]

19 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Huh? Nice try, but it’s nothing but fantasy speculation that you can’t measure what stats Raffy would have put up with the Red Sox based on what he did with SF of course leaving out the things I mentioned that CANNOT be measured, and you don’t have to be any kind of genius to understand that. NO MATHEMATICAL input can measure the things I mentioned that you obviously don’t understand.👋

You need to write nasty emails about this to the folks at Baseball-Reference, Fangraphs, and StatsInc.  I mean, you’ve been speculating for months about what Devers would be doing if he was still in Boston.  You need to tell them what you know that they don’t…

[Old Red]

38 minutes ago, notin said:

You need to write nasty emails about this to the folks at Baseball-Reference, Fangraphs, and StatsInc.  I mean, you’ve been speculating for months about what Devers would be doing if he was still in Boston.  You need to tell them what you know that they don’t…

Can any of these things measure atmosphere? Can any of these things measure mindset? Can any of these things measure effort, because of the atmosphere, and mindset, and if they can’t how can you say that Raffy would have the exact same stats if he had stayed in Boston than what he’s accomplished in SF?