Red Sox 2025 Trade Deadline Thread

[cp176]

And the trade deadline has come and gone.  I’m just a silly old fan who knows quite a bit about the actual play on the field and next to nothing about the inner workings of management.  In my estimation based on what I have seen on the field, I do consider Cora to be an average manager who likes his players and they seem to like him.  With respect to Breslow, I’m just as confused by what he does or doesn’t do  as anyone - average at best. With all that said, I still like this team and have enjoyed watching this season.  I’ll continue to do so.  I’m glad that Duran remains a Red Sox player.  I can’t believe that no team would want Abreau.  I wish that Mayer wasn’t prone to injury.  I do not like the multiple position approach to so many players and I really don’t like the constant lefty righty lefty righty approach to our lineups based on an analytical approach to the game.  Oh well - dog days have begun.

[notin]

3 hours ago, Hitch said:

Rumour is that the Twins were asking for one of outfielders for Ryan, but we wouldn't do it. That suggests Duran or Abreu. I'm of the opinion one of them should have been sent for him.

What if that “one outfielder” was Anthony?

It wouldn’t surprise me; that type of thing has killed many deals before…

[mvp 78]

3 hours ago, Hitch said:

Rumour is that the Twins were asking for one of outfielders for Ryan, but we wouldn't do it. That suggests Duran or Abreu. I'm of the opinion one of them should have been sent for him.

Ryan has some controlled years left. He's a legit #2. Unless the prospect package added onto the OF was overwhelming, I'd ship off either Abreu or Duran for Ryan. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

What if that “one outfielder” was Anthony?

It wouldn’t surprise me; that type of thing has killed many deals before…

The only guys I wouldn't have included in a deal for Ryan would be: Tolle, Anthony, Narvaez, Bello and maybe Rafaela. That doesn't make those guys the 5 best players on the team or anything, it's just five guys I wouldn't put in that trade for various reasons at this deadline. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

The only guys I wouldn't have included in a deal for Ryan would be: Tolle, Anthony, Narvaez, Bello and maybe Rafaela. That doesn't make those guys the 5 best players on the team or anything, it's just five guys I wouldn't put in that trade for various reasons at this deadline. 

But Brez said it takes two to fandango. 

Was he tacitly admitting no one wanted our prospects?

Do we overrate -- gasper -- our own prospects???

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

But Brez said it takes two to fandango. 

Was he tacitly admitting no one wanted our prospects?

Do we overrate -- gasper -- our own prospects???

Brandon Clarke is a top 100 prospect. The prospects and org are highly rated. My guess is that Breslow is hesitant to move on from any of the young pitchers. He only dealt offensive guys: Tibbs (hasn't hit since coming here), Ehrhard (lower ranked guy) and Blaze (Rule 5). 

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, Hitch said:

Rumour is that the Twins were asking for one of outfielders for Ryan, but we wouldn't do it. That suggests Duran or Abreu. I'm of the opinion one of them should have been sent for him.

I woke up thinking I feel better than I did, last night. If what you says is true, I'm more pissed than ever.

3 years of Duran plus I'd even add a couple #7-20 prospects (or 3 #12-25's for Ryan is a no-brainer, to me. Ryan has 3 arbs left. He's a top 15 SP'er since 2024 (6.1 fWAR and 79 in ERA-) His 251 IP places 52nd, but he's just 35 IP from top 30.

I hate to trade Duran or Abreu, but the step down to Anthony might not even be down. The step up from Fitts/Harrison/May to Ryan is off the charts upwards.

[moonslav59]

26 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

But Brez said it takes two to fandango. 

Was he tacitly admitting no one wanted our prospects?

Do we overrate -- gasper -- our own prospects???

Or, they wanted more or better prospects than stingy Brez would agree to giving.

[FredLynn]

8 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

You could be right about farm assets. 

I'm less sure that dumping Duran would have brought back anyone better than Cease.  As you have pointed out, no one wants Abreu and the Sox wisely won't cough up Rafaela or Anthony.  And Cora has been able to play all 4 outfielders almost any time he wants to because Rafaela can go to 2b or Anthony to DH.  

Aren't you the one who has said the best deals are in the offseason and not in July?  

Didn’t see the espn analysis that concluded that one of the losers in the trade deadline was the Flops who again sat on the fence. 
You must really like what they’ve done over the past several years because you’re going to get the same thing this year and next.

Horrible decision making….

[moonslav59]

We did NOT have to sell out the farm to make big enough gains to be a top 2-3 AL contender. We could have struck a nice balance and still had a very nice farm system.

If we were not going to make significant improvements in just 2-3 areas (SP, 1B platoon & RP) then I'd have been 100% with Fred: sell, Sell SELL!!!

We could have been sitting very pretty for 2026 and beyond.

1. Sit down with Bregman and say we want you back in 2026, then trade him.

2. Trade Chapman for a nice prospect or two.

3. Trade Giolito for a nice prospect or two.

4. Trade Wilson, Buehler & Refsnyder for the best you could have gotten, even if you think it's unfair.

We could easily be a top 3-4 contender in MLB in 2026 by just spending to the tax line and making a couple key trades involving the swollen prospect pool plus Abreu, we'd have accumulated at the deadline and over the prior few years under Bloom & Brez.

SP1 Crochet

SP2 __FA__ (F Valdez/Ra Suarez/M King/Cease/Lugo)

SP3 Ryan (for Abreu, Early & Sandlin)

SP4 Bello

SP5 Sandoval/Dobbins/Crawford/Houck/Harrison/Fitts

Closer __FA__ (Chapman $22M/2 or Helsley/Ro Suarez, E Diaz)

RP2 __FA__ (Finnegan/R Iglesias)

RP3 Whitlock

RP4 Slaten

RP5 Houck/Dobbins/Crawford/Harrison/Fitts

RP6 Dobbins/Crawford/Harrison/Fitts

RP7 Weissert

RP8 Crawford/Harrison/Fitts/Bernardino/Murphy

C Narvaez & Wong

1B __FA__ (Alonso or E Suarez) or Campbell/Casas/Toro-Romy

2B Story (Campbell/Romy/DHam/Grissom)

SS Mayer (Story/Romy)

3B Bregman (brought back at $35M x 4) (Mayer)

LF Duran & Jh Garcia

CF Rafaela (Duran)

RF Anthony (Jh Garcia)

DH Casas, Yoshida-Romy or __FA__ (Schwarber)

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

The only guys I wouldn't have included in a deal for Ryan would be: Tolle, Anthony, Narvaez, Bello and maybe Rafaela. That doesn't make those guys the 5 best players on the team or anything, it's just five guys I wouldn't put in that trade for various reasons at this deadline. 

I would imagine Breslow felt similar.

But I also have to think the Twins - who got two BA Top 100 prospects for their closer - were not going to deal 2+ years of Joe Ryan for Wilyer Abreu.  I would be surprised if they didn’t ask for Anthony…

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Didn’t see the espn analysis that concluded that one of the losers in the trade deadline was the Flops who again sat on the fence. 
You must really like what they’ve done over the past several years because you’re going to get the same thing this year and next.

Horrible decision making….

I felt better after the 2024 deadline, for two main reasons:

1. We had a better outlook on Danny Jansen, Lucas Sims, Luis Garcia & James Paxton than we do on the M & M brothers, while giving up no major prospects.

2. We were closer to being in a seller mode than this season, and yet we still seemed to do better, at the time.

Of course, only Jansen added any value, but the others had hopes as good as or better than M & M.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

I would imagine Breslow felt similar.

But I also have to think the Twins - who got two BA Top 100 prospects for their closer - were not going to deal 2+ years of Joe Ryan for Wilyer Abreu.  I would be surprised if they didn’t ask for Anthony…

My guess is it might have taken...

Duran, Clarke and Early/Sandlin (maybe Romero, too)

of

Abreu, Campbell and Early/Sandlin

Maybe, I'm wrong. Maybe they'd want Abreu, Campbell & Clarke. I'd probably try to sub eearly for Clarke, but would maybe say yes, anyway.

You gotta overpay for controlled pitchers, but really, the time to make trades for guys like Ryan or Keller is December.

I still wonder if we tried to 3 way a trade:

Duran or Abreu (and maybe Chapman, if we also got Jh Duran) to PHI

Painter (and others from PHI), Campbell, Clarke & others from our farm to MIN

Ryan and maybe Jh Duran to BOS

[notin]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I felt better after the 2024 deadline, for two main reasons:

1. We had a better outlook on Danny Jansen, Lucas Sims, Luis Garcia & James Paxton than we do on the M & M brothers, while giving up no major prospects.

2. We were closer to being in a seller mode than this season, and yet we still seemed to do better, at the time.

Of course, only Jansen added any value, but the others had hopes as good as or better than M & M.

What is Breslow’s fascination with oft-injured Dodger pitchers at the deadline?

[notin]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

My guess is it might have taken...

Duran, Clarke and Early/Sandlin (maybe Romero, too)

of

Abreu, Campbell and Early/Sandlin

Maybe, I'm wrong. Maybe they'd want Abreu, Campbell & Clarke. I'd probably try to sub eearly for Clarke, but would maybe say yes, anyway.

You gotta overpay for controlled pitchers, but really, the time to make trades for guys like Ryan or Keller is December.

I still wonder if we tried to 3 way a trade:

Duran or Abreu (and maybe Chapman, if we also got Jh Duran) to PHI

Painter (and others from PHI), Campbell, Clarke & others from our farm to MIN

Ryan and maybe Jh Duran to BOS

If you were running the Twins, you wouldn’t ask for Anthony?  Don’t forget they reportedly originally asked for Painter to be in the deal for Duran…

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Brandon Clarke is a top 100 prospect. The prospects and org are highly rated. My guess is that Breslow is hesitant to move on from any of the young pitchers. He only dealt offensive guys: Tibbs (hasn't hit since coming here), Ehrhard (lower ranked guy) and Blaze (Rule 5). 

And Blaze went back to the guy who originally drafted him.  Just like Michael Chavis before…

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

What is Breslow’s fascination with oft-injured Dodger pitchers at the deadline?

And winters, too (Buehler.)

We also saw Bloom trying to trade for Graterol.

We did unload Price on them, and he pitched just 114 innings with the Dodgers, so maybe that makes it not so bad.

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, notin said:

What if that “one outfielder” was Anthony?

It wouldn’t surprise me; that type of thing has killed many deals before…

It definitely could have been, or Rafaela. I'm assuring the Twins were realistic enough to understand that they were never options though.

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I woke up thinking I feel better than I did, last night. If what you says is true, I'm more pissed than ever.

3 years of Duran plus I'd even add a couple #7-20 prospects (or 3 #12-25's for Ryan is a no-brainer, to me. Ryan has 3 arbs left. He's a top 15 SP'er since 2024 (6.1 fWAR and 79 in ERA-) His 251 IP places 52nd, but he's just 35 IP from top 30.

I hate to trade Duran or Abreu, but the step down to Anthony might not even be down. The step up from Fitts/Harrison/May to Ryan is off the charts upwards.

Again, could have been Anthony or Rafaela, but my understanding of it last night was that they were talking about Abreu/Duran.

I had so many differently streams and twitter accounts open, I don't even recall where I saw it. 

My feeling is they think they can get these same players for less cost in the off season and that they think they've got enough to squeeze in 

Bres may pay with his job if he's got that call drastically wrong.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

It definitely could have been, or Rafaela. I'm assuring the Twins were realistic enough to understand that they were never options though.

Again, they reportedly asked for Andrew Painter as part of the package for their closer.  They were aiming high.  Heck their setup guy got them 4+ years of a 24yo mid-rotation starter that posted 1.7 bWAR last year in only 138 innings.  With the bizarre exception of James Outman, they were clearly asking for unrealistic… 

[notin]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

And winters, too (Buehler.)

We also saw Bloom trying to trade for Graterol.

We did unload Price on them, and he pitched just 114 innings with the Dodgers, so maybe that makes it not so bad.

Technically we unloaded Half Price on them.

Also Graterol was still with Minnesota at the time.  He went to the Dodgers in that trade..

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

We could have been sitting very pretty for 2026 and beyond.

1. Sit down with Bregman and say we want you back in 2026, then trade him.

Saying you want him back would be pointless.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Again, could have been Anthony or Rafaela, but my understanding of it last night was that they were talking about Abreu/Duran.

I had so many differently streams and twitter accounts open, I don't even recall where I saw it. 

My feeling is they think they can get these same players for less cost in the off season and that they think they've got enough to squeeze in 

Bres may pay with his job if he's got that call drastically wrong.

I'd have considered Rafaela and others for Ryan. If I was giving up Anthony, I might have included others to get Ryan and Jh Duran. (Maybe Chapman to PHI and someone from them to MIN as part of the trade.)

I'm not a huge Mitch Keller fan, but I gotta think we could have gotten him (and maybe Bednar, too) for a package of prospects no other team could realistically match without emptying their farm.

Duran & Chapman to PHI

Painter, Abel, Mendez, Volloria, Tait, Campbell & Romero to MIN (MIN trades Bader to someone else for more prospects)

Ryan & JH Duran to BOS

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Saying you want him back would be pointless.

It does seem like it never happens.

Bregman does seem to really like BOS.

Is it tampering to talk to your own player? Tell him, "Go ahead and opt out: we will pay you $150M/4, this winter." wink-wink.

[Bellhorn04]

My main hope is that Bailey can work a little of his lab magic with our new redhead.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

It does seem like it never happens.

Bregman does seem to really like BOS.

Is it tampering to talk to your own player? Tell him, "Go ahead and opt out: we will pay you $150M/4, this winter." wink-wink.

Doesn't matter if it's tampering.  It's verbal, and therefore worthless. 

You think the Sox would hold up their end of the promise if Bregman gets hurt? 😄

[dannycater]

"Glad they didn't trade Duran" is now the rallying cry of the 2025 Sox Trade Deadline moves or lack there of. 

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Brandon Clarke is a top 100 prospect. The prospects and org are highly rated. My guess is that Breslow is hesitant to move on from any of the young pitchers. He only dealt offensive guys: Tibbs (hasn't hit since coming here), Ehrhard (lower ranked guy) and Blaze (Rule 5). 

which would make his post deadline comments disingenuous and also like 3 or 4 comments made since devers trade about competitiveness

same ole red sox, words about effort, but too focused on what they are giving up (scared money) and lies/exaggerations

its obvs bs.  yankees and padres dipped pretty deep into their pools, you mean to tell me that after making 5 previous trades, yankees had the assets to get bednar, but we never did?

Breslow was dealing from a very restricted list, or only willing to get guys making zilch. I did notice may is like 1m left pro-rated, hmmmmm

deadline deja-vu 

F"ING STIFFFFFFFF

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Doesn't matter if it's tampering.  It's verbal, and therefore worthless. 

You think the Sox would hold up their end of the promise if Bregman gets hurt? 😄

True.

I do think Bregman could have become the exception and come back to the team after a deadline trade.

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

But Brez said it takes two to fandango. 

Was he tacitly admitting no one wanted our prospects?

Do we overrate -- gasper -- our own prospects???

Im not sure about overrate, but hoard.  Like im not sure we think that our #19 prospect is going to be some future hall-of-famer, but for some reason, when someone asks for a prospect, we're like "NO!!! And how dare you even ask about our precious prospects? How about this, we swap out the #19 ranked prospect and insert an all-star in their prime instead (Devers, Duran)....We'll trade them , sure, jsut not our prospects"

Its gollum in lord of the rings level "my precioussssss, my precioussss"