Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[Maxbialystock]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Francona couldn't manage Nomar in 2004.  

I thought the Nomar issues were about money.  

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

If the Red Sox had traded Devers to, let's say, the Angels for Mike Trout, I can get with that.  Trout in Fenway would be a monster get.  But for ???, umm, nobody? Nah.  Bad trade.

I'd hate that trade, and not just because we have 17 OF'ers.

[Bellhorn04]

This tends to suggest that Devers not running out that ground ball did not go over well.

[Randy Red Sox]

16 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If this happened during the winter, we could expect immediate spending of the money "saved."

The timing is all off.

Plus, now we will be hearing Red say, "See, big deals can be made in May and June" forever and ever.

Damn!

(LOL)

 

Sox mailed in 2025 with this trade. Harrison already optioned to AAA.

[d-money]

1 minute ago, illinoisredsox said:

No trade can be evaluated two hours after it happens.  The major piece coming from the Giants is in High A ball.  It’ll  be 2-4 years before the final grade is in.

 

 

2 or 4 years? This was nothing more than a salary dump. Henry needs to sell this team. We have become a poverty franchise. 

[Duran Is The Man]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

This tends to suggest that Devers not running out that ground ball did not go over well.

may have been the final nail.

[Larry Cook]

Just now, d-money said:

2 or 4 years? This was nothing more than a salary dump. Henry needs to sell this team. We have become a poverty franchise. 

I think Mario lemieux is trying to buy Henry out of the penguins!!!!

[Randy Red Sox]

17 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

Harrison minutes away from starting for the Giants on National TV tonight when he's told he's been traded.  And not only has he been traded, the Red Sox optioned him to the minors.  What the heck.

Now Henry doesn't have to pay his MLB salary.  Double win for the skinflint.

[harmony]

When (and how) did Rafael Devers learn of the trade?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pOxpfZ5jXNw

 

[Nick]

Wikipedia already has Tibbs as an American baseball player in Red Sox organization.   Lol

[illinoisredsox]

5 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

Sox mailed in 2025 with this trade. Harrison already optioned to AAA.

Doesn’t mean he’s going to stay there all year.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

I thought the Nomar issues were about money.  

He was becoming a clubhouse issue, likely over money, but there was also the injury issue that was thought to be non baseball related or even a fake injury as he pouted.

[Larry Cook]

1 minute ago, illinoisredsox said:

Doesn’t mean he’s going to stay there all year.

Just waiting for us to trade buehler to the dodgers 

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think they would have done this unless they thought Devers's attitude had become a serious and insoluble problem.

[Jasonbay44]

This trade really pisses me off. There is a very high chance this ends up like another Mookie Betts trade. 

[Nick]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I don't think they would have done this unless they thought Devers's attitude had become a serious and insoluble problem.

Bad role model for our young players. Also it sends clear message JH owns the team and no player is bigger than the organization.

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

This tends to suggest that Devers not running out that ground ball did not go over well.

I think that really pissed off Cora who bent over backwards to not pressure Devers to play 1B.

That, and the lack of smiling and team togetherness feelings Devers was avoiding.

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, notin said:

Not verbatim.  But yes, it is…

No.

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I don't think they would have done this unless they thought Devers's attitude had become a serious and insoluble problem.

Breslow is incapable of having a normal conversation with someone. This org is toast until he is gone.

[FredLynn]

37 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

 Breslow was dead wrong and Cora knew it.  Devers, after losing his beloved (for 8 years) 3b position, did what Cora told him and embraced the DH position, where he has thrived.

Meanwhile, replacing Casas was the easiest thing in the world because he was having a bad year.  Toro and Gonzalez have both been much better.  

The chain of command is not as inflexible as you make it sound.  Cora had good reasons for wanting Devers to stay as the DH--he was having a career year as DH and replacing Casas was the easiest thing in the world.  And he was proved right because, even with the loss on May 23d of the Sox best player, Bregman, the Sox have persevered and are back to 1 above .500 without him.  

Meanwhile, Breslow had the option of trading Devers, and he did.  We will certainly miss his bat, but, as moonslav has said, his salary can now be put to better use.  

 

You're wrong.  Breslow did his job. Devers was a spoiled SOB and refused to switch positions when asked. That is HIS job-to do what he was told. I won't miss his insubordination.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think that really pissed off Cora who bent over backwards to not pressure Devers to play 1B.

That, and the lack of smiling and team togetherness feelings Devers was avoiding.

Lack of smiling? Are you serious?

[FredLynn]

47 minutes ago, jad said:

Yes siree.  Because businesses should be like the military!!  And when you are told to do something by ANYONE higher in the organization than you, then you must  DO it!  Period.   (Wasn't this argument used to great effect at Nuremberg?)

You don't have to do what you are told in a business. You can find another job. Your comparison to Nuremberg is rejected as meaningless. This isn't a war where people are asked to torture or kill people.

[Larry Cook]

Hicks to the bullpen?? Guerrero to Worcester? 
 

Can Bailey fix hicks ????

[Larry Cook]

Tibbs to Portland!!! 

[FredLynn]

49 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I agree, and it seems like they didn't even bother to ask or tell Devers to play 1B, They just chose to move on from him.

They should have asked him, if they didn't. He would have refused our pouted. Thats his personality. Remember what he said when they got Bregman when asked about where he was going to play?

"I'm playing 3B", not "I'll do whatever is best for the team". Thats BS.

[Maxbialystock]

23 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You keep assuming Casas was going to hit .550 the rest of the season.

Also, when the talk of Devers playing 1B began, which was actually before this year, but let's go with the day Casas got hurt, we did not know Toro-Romy as a viable solution. Devers was a clear option to play 1B, despite your belief that he'd suck there. His glove and range were not the issue at 3B; it was his arm.

It's all moot, now.

I still bet we see Casas as the 2026 1Bman- not Toro-Romy, but we may trade Casas by then.

We don't know what Casas was going to do.  We do know he had the worst WAR on the team.  

Completely agree that no one knew Toro/Gonzalez would do this well, but I also don't care because Devers was thriving as the DH and the Sox hitting this year has been a plus.  Don't mess with success.  

II strongly agree he was overpaid and now he's the Giants' problem.  Our new DH/DH's won't be as good a Raffy, but won't be terrible either.   Plus Bregman's return will ameliorate the loss of Devers.

 The Sox are now 8-2 in their last 10 games, during which Raffy was 5 for 25 with 2 rbi's.  Season to date, he has 58 rbi's in 73 games, so he has tailed off when the Sox had their best run of the season.  I say that because the last 9 games were against the Yankees and Rays.  

I agree with the "insider" claim that this deal is a win for the Sox.  

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

We don't know what Casas was going to do.  We do know he had the worst WAR on the team.  

Completely agree that no one knew Toro/Gonzalez would do this well, but I also don't care because Devers was thriving as the DH and the Sox hitting this year has been a plus.  Don't mess with success.  

II strongly agree he was overpaid and now he's the Giants' problem.  Our new DH/DH's won't be as good a Raffy, but won't be terrible either.   Plus Bregman's return will ameliorate the loss of Devers.

 The Sox are now 8-2 in their last 10 games, during which Raffy was 5 for 25 with 2 rbi's.  Season to date, he has 58 rbi's in 73 games, so he has tailed off when the Sox had their best run of the season.  I say that because the last 9 games were against the Yankees and Rays.  

I agree with the "insider" claim that this deal is a win for the Sox.  

Casas has a career OPS of .800. He will be fine when he gets back. If Toro and Gonzalez can maintain what they are doing, which I highly doubt, we are in good shape if Henry uses the money to backfill for Devers.

[Jasonbay44]

All my Yankee fan friends sure are excited. They traded Devers hours after he hit a homer against them (AGAIN). I just can’t fathom the fact they traded one of best hitters in entire league in his prime. 

[Maxbialystock]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

They should have asked him, if they didn't. He would have refused our pouted. Thats his personality. Remember what he said when they got Bregman when asked about where he was going to play?

"I'm playing 3B", not "I'll do whatever is best for the team". Thats BS.

Wait a second.  He loved playing 3b and had done so for 8 years.  But Bregman was better and Cora persuaded Devers to embrace DH, which worked.  Raffy was having a career year and had missed no games.  

Plus the 1b thing came up a month after the season started and after Devers had already been moved once.  

On top of that, there was a good possibility that his OPS would go down while he was adapting to 1b.  

And on top of that is Illinois' point that Devers was already unhappy.  

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

IMHO, Devers hasn't been that happy to play in Boston since they let his best friend X-man go. Removing Devers from 3rd was the final straw for Devers.

Like Moon posted some of these players the Sox got in return will be part of a large package to get Skenes.