Article: A Plea For The Red Sox To Sign Juan Soto

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

A sinkerballer who doesn't have a great GB%? Last year, his xFIP, FIP, xERA were all significantly higher than his ERA. Maybe the Sox could figure out his horrible slider and tap into something? I would assume that the trade would be significant due to the amount of control. 

Right now, he's a backend of the rotation guy. He COULD get better. Why not just get a pitcher who IS better? 

Fair enough

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

How de we feel about trading for Luis Ortiz

I saw an article suggesting Casas for L Ortiz.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

5M isn't much any more though.  What else is out there?  Jansen?
 

Also, we could trade Wong, if Teel shows he's the real deal.

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

A sinkerballer who doesn't have a great GB%? Last year, his xFIP, FIP, xERA were all significantly higher than his ERA. Maybe the Sox could figure out his horrible slider and tap into something? I would assume that the trade would be significant due to the amount of control. 

Right now, he's a backend of the rotation guy. He COULD get better. Why not just get a pitcher who IS better? 

BTV gives him a surplus value of $14.4mill, which places him between Braden Montgomery and David Hamilton.  Given the Sox have already filled 2b in Pitt, I’d think the Pirates would be more interested in Montgomery.  I’m hesitant, despite Ortiz posting 3.0 bWAR in only 135 innings last year…

[mvp 78]

39 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I saw an article suggesting Casas for L Ortiz.

Ewww, no. 

[mvp 78]

24 minutes ago, notin said:

BTV gives him a surplus value of $14.4mill, which places him between Braden Montgomery and David Hamilton.  Given the Sox have already filled 2b in Pitt, I’d think the Pirates would be more interested in Montgomery.  I’m hesitant, despite Ortiz posting 3.0 bWAR in only 135 innings last year…

STEAMER projects 1 fWAR this year. Whoopdeedoo. 

He only had -0.3 fWAR last season. Nice 3.3 WAR difference between the two metrics. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

It's not much, but it's less they can pay towards middle relievers. 

What do you think they should do about a second catcher until Teel is ready?

[moonslav59]

27 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

What do you think they should do about a second catcher until Teel is ready?

Sign or trade for one- maybe a one year gut.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

What do you think they should do about a second catcher until Teel is ready?

One year deal for Elias Diaz. 

[moonslav59]

I'm wondering, if we can even view Wong as our longtime back-up to Teel.

I'd be fine adding a capable catcher on a 2-3 year deal, and then think about trading Wong.

If we think Wong can improve his defense, maybe a 1 year gut is fine.

 

[Jasonbay44]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm wondering, if we can even view Wong as our longtime back-up to Teel.

I'd be fine adding a capable catcher on a 2-3 year deal, and then think about trading Wong.

If we think Wong can improve his defense, maybe a 1 year gut is fine.

 

Catcher is the one position where I’m fine almost punting offense completely if they’re great defensively and with the pitching staff. Wong isn’t good enough offensively to make up for his pretty bad defense. 
 

I definitely wouldn’t be against trading him. However, with the current roster he is one of only guys who can hit right handed. 

[moonslav59]

55 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Catcher is the one position where I’m fine almost punting offense completely if they’re great defensively and with the pitching staff. Wong isn’t good enough offensively to make up for his pretty bad defense. 
 

I definitely wouldn’t be against trading him. However, with the current roster he is one of only guys who can hit right handed. 

I'm only okay with trading him, once we have a solid back-up and Teel has proven he is at least decent.

[mvp 78]

 

[vjcsmoke]

A new article suggests that the Red Sox are now the frontrunners to land Soto with a 675m/15 year offer.

This would be the second largest contract in baseball history and actually means more real money than the Ohtani deal because that 700m deal had a lot of deferred money.

I would be super hyped if we landed Soto. The extra term also allows us to lower the cap hit to 45m per year.

Article: https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-predicted-to-win-675-million-bidding-war-for-game-changing-superstar-jackson3

[Bellhorn04]

10 minutes ago, vjcsmoke said:

A new article suggests that the Red Sox are now the frontrunners to land Soto with a 675m/15 year offer.

This would be the second largest contract in baseball history and actually means more real money than the Ohtani deal because that 700m deal had a lot of deferred money.

I would be super hyped if we landed Soto. The extra term also allows us to lower the cap hit to 45m per year.

Article: https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-predicted-to-win-675-million-bidding-war-for-game-changing-superstar-jackson3

Seems like this is just one guy's prediction.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Seems like this is just one guy's prediction.

I predict someone else will predict someone else will give him more.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I predict someone else will predict someone else will give him more.

Please, provide a link.

[Bellhorn04]

Per Red Sox Stats: hot off the presses

The Red Sox have requested a meeting with Boras and Soto where they will be given price that would get a deal finalized.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, vjcsmoke said:

A new article suggests that the Red Sox are now the frontrunners to land Soto with a 675m/15 year offer.

This would be the second largest contract in baseball history and actually means more real money than the Ohtani deal because that 700m deal had a lot of deferred money.

I would be super hyped if we landed Soto. The extra term also allows us to lower the cap hit to 45m per year.

Article: https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-predicted-to-win-675-million-bidding-war-for-game-changing-superstar-jackson3

If it turns out we offered $675M/15 and still lose out on Soto, will those who believed JH would never spend big again, still feel that way?

Would it change, if he pivoted to a couple other big names, and ended up spending more AAV than the Soto deal was and going over the first tax line?

 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Per Red Sox Stats: hot off the presses

The Red Sox have requested a meeting with Boras and Soto where they will be given price that would get a deal finalized.

That sounds so BorA$$.

We may actually see this happen!

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Per Red Sox Stats: hot off the presses

The Red Sox have requested a meeting with Boras and Soto where they will be given price that would get a deal finalized.

But, it's not on MLBTR!!!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

But, it's not on MLBTR!!!

Alex Speier, a real reporter, had it first. So he's either being used by Boras to panic the other finalists or by the Red Sox, who own the Globe and want fans to know they never gave up. 

If Soto's camp does agree to one more meeting, I wouldn't mind Theo sitting in for John Henry. If Epstein can seal the deal, his name goes on my lawn sign in 2028... 

[Duran Is The Man]

45 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If it turns out we offered $675M/15 and still lose out on Soto, will those who believed JH would never spend big again, still feel that way?

Would it change, if he pivoted to a couple other big names, and ended up spending more AAV than the Soto deal was and going over the first tax line?

 

i'm ok with not landing Soto, IF we get Burnes and Fried or a variable facsimile thereof.

[moonslav59]

46 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Alex Speier, a real reporter, had it first. So he's either being used by Boras to panic the other finalists or by the Red Sox, who own the Globe and want fans to know they never gave up. 

If Soto's camp does agree to one more meeting, I wouldn't mind Theo sitting in for John Henry. If Epstein can seal the deal, his name goes on my lawn sign in 2028... 

Will the lawn sign have his picture on it?

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i'm ok with not landing Soto, IF we get Burnes and Fried or a variable facsimile thereof.

I'm not a fan of Bregman, nor do I think he'll be worth what he gets, but I think he'd be included in the group where 2 or more would need to be signed to make this winter a good one:

A) Burnes, Fried

B) Adames, Teoscar, Bregman

Two Cs= one B: Flaherty, Manaea, Eovaldi (assuming just one from Burnes or Fried)

RP: Scott, Eovaldi, Hoffman or (Holmes + Estevez)

RHBs: Alonso/Walker (trade Casas for pitching) or Santander L-R  (trade Abreu or Anthony for pitching)

[Duran Is The Man]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not a fan of Bregman, nor do I think he'll be worth what he gets, but I think he'd be included in the group where 2 or more would need to be signed to make this winter a good one:

A) Burnes, Fried

B) Adames, Teoscar, Bregman

Two Cs= one B: Flaherty, Manaea, Eovaldi (assuming just one from Burnes or Fried)

RP: Scott, Eovaldi, Hoffman or (Holmes + Estevez)

RHBs: Alonso/Walker (trade Casas for pitching) or Santander L-R  (trade Abreu or Anthony for pitching)

you did good until you mentioned trading Anthony for pitching.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

you did good until you mentioned trading Anthony for pitching.

Well, he'd bring back someone really good, and we'd have the big RHB in RF.

I'm a huge Anthony fan and am not for just handing him away, because we signed Santander or Teoscar. There are others we could trade, instead (like Abreu + Rafaela), and put Duran or Anthony in CF.

LF: Teoscar or Santander

CF: Duran

RF: Anthony

But, we aren't getting a pitcher like Burnes or Fried for Abreu, Rafaela & ____.

[Hugh2]

Teoscar is rumored to be resigning with LA

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Teoscar is rumored to be resigning with LA

Probably means no Soto to LA, but I do wonder if someone like the Sox or NYY (or NYM) might jump in on Teo, if they lose out on Soto.

[moonslav59]

If it comes down to Adames vs Bregman, I'm not sure who I'd want. Both bat RH'd.

Adames just turned 29 and was a good SS for several year, but dropped off on D, a lot, this year. Was it a fluke or outlier? Can he play 3B well?  118 OPS+ in '24 (106 last 2 yrs and 108 last 3 yrs) 112 last 5 yrs.

Bregman has proven he's pretty good on D at 3B, and he can play SS, in a pinch, but never would for the Sox.

118 OPS+ in 2024 is exactly the same as Adames, but Bregman turns 31 near opening day. His OPS+ over the last 2, 3 and 5 years is better than Adames, but the age thing might cancel that out:

120 OPS+ last 2 yrs, 124 last 3 yrs and 122 last 5 yrs.

Signing either would allow us to move Devers to 1B/DH and either trade Casas or have Casas and Devers share 1B and DH duties. (Trade Yoshida?)

 

The Teoscar vs Santander choice is pretty close, too, but it just seems like OF is our strongest area- on D and O. I know that's where Soto plays, but he's a major game-changer, while these two are not.

 

Could our plan B end up as Fried, Adames, Holmes, Danny Jansen and trade Casas, Abreu Fitts and Sandlin for Pablo Lopez and Jhoan Duran.

SP: Fried, Lopez, Houck, Bello, Giolito

RP: Duran, Holmes, Chapman, Hendriks, Slaten, Whitlock, Wink, Crawford

1. Duran LF/CF

2. Devers 1B

3. Adames 3B

4. Anthony CF/RF

5. Story SS

6. Abreu RF/Rafaela CF (platoon)

7. Yoshida/Refsnyder DH (platoon)

8. Campbell 2B (DHam-Grissom platoon)

9. Wong-Jansen C

That's a pretty nice bench: Abreu or Rafaela, Wong or Jansen, Yoshida or Refsnyder and Grissom or DHam.