Article: A Plea For The Red Sox To Sign Juan Soto

[Hugh2]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The timing depends on other team's asking Soto's agent to "check back" before agreeing with another team.

It sounds like the Yankees have moved on from that point. Maybe the Mets are still in that mode. Maybe the Dodgers have asked they be consulted, at the last minute, if such asks are for real.

I keep pinching myself to see, if this is all for real.

I’d be happy if it’s not the Yankees, if it’s us then even better.

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I’d be happy if it’s not the Yankees, if it’s us then even better.

The one thing about the Yanks is that I do think they have limits on their budgets, so if they end up going silly on Soto, it could significantly affect their future spending, to the point where it hurts them.

The same could be said about the Sox future budgets.

[Hugh2]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The one thing about the Yanks is that I do think they have limits on their budgets, so if they end up going silly on Soto, it could significantly affect their future spending, to the point where it hurts them.

The same could be said about the Sox future budgets.

Yankees are perhaps at the end of their window.  Sox are looking to open theirs up

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Yankees are perhaps at the end of their window.  Sox are looking to open theirs up

A Soto signing would stretch to a possible future window, with a possible 2-4 year rebuild inbetween.

I agree, though. The Sox have a young foundation already established, plus 4-5 prospects that are near or at ML readiness, plus another 4-5 prospects that could be significant by 2026 to 2027.

bWAR and age

8.7 Duran 27

3.7 Devers 27

3.5 Abreu 25, Houck 28

2.8 Rafaela 23

2.6 DHam 26

2.0 Crawford 28

 1.6 Wong 28, 1.5 Bello 25, 0.9 Slaten 26 & Whitlock 28, o.4 Casas 24 (injured)

Yankees (10.8 Judge is 32, 2.6 Cortes turns 30, soon, 2.0 Cole is 33, 1.9 Rodon 31)

3.4 Volpe 23

3.1 Gil 26

2.5 Wells 24

2.0 Schmidt 28

1.5 Chisholm 26

1.3 Cabrera 25

0.9 Poteet 29

[MADSTORK]

I told u boys it was real months before the ass clowns on X verified it

matter a fact I told u boys it was New England or bust

its very real….,

mookie who…..

[moonslav59]

No clowns on X have verified anything.

[Hugh2]

2 hours ago, MADSTORK said:

I told u boys it was real months before the ass clowns on X verified it

matter a fact I told u boys it was New England or bust

its very real….,

mookie who…..

Oh really? Are those the facts?

[Hugh2]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

No clowns on X have verified anything.

All he said was we should sign him.  As did anyone with a brain.  Now that translates that he predicted he would sign in Boston before it’s even official. Talk about being thirsty for validation.

 

but yeah….8/384 right?

[moonslav59]

Mets pivoted from Soto and signed Montas at $34M/2.

 

LOL

[Hugh2]

7 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Mets pivoted from Soto and signed Montas at $34M/2.

 

LOL

How will they ever find the money now?

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Mets pivoted from Soto and signed Montas at $34M/2.

 

LOL

It's not a pivot. They will start collecting players from the DR in hopes of enticing Soto to join. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

26 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's not a pivot. They will start collecting players from the DR in hopes of enticing Soto to join. 

Cohen said he's just going to buy it. And he won't be outbid -- not by Cuba, the USSR, the Sam F Kennedys, no one.

[moonslav59]

26 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's not a pivot. They will start collecting players from the DR in hopes of enticing Soto to join. 

"pivot" was an obvious joke.

They could still sign Soto, Burnes and Scott.

[mvp 78]

18 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Cohen said he's just going to buy it. And he won't be outbid -- not by Cuba, the USSR, the Sam F Kennedys, no one.

Their GDP is at an all time high right now. He's going to take a bath on this one! He'll have to assume approximately 175B of government debt. 

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

"pivot" was an obvious joke.

No kidding. 🙃

[moonslav59]

FA Pitchers still around. MLBTR has been hot and cold on $$$ projections, but here they are:

$200M/6 Burnes (might take $250M/7)

(Snell $160M/5- after dererals, pretty close)

$156/6 Fried (might take $190/6)

$115/5 Flaherty (might take $150/6)

$60M/3 Manaea (Might take $85M/4)

(Kikuchi $60M/3 went for $61M/3)

$51M/3 Severino (maybe $76M/4)

$44M/4 Eovaldi (maybe $60M/3)

(Boyd $25M/2 got $29M/2- pretty close)

$24M/2 Heaney (maybe $33M/3)

(Montas $22M/2 got $34M/2)

$21M/1 Pivetta (might get $60M/3)

$20M/2 Quintana (maybe $22M/2)

$16M/1 Scherzer, $15M/1 Buehler, $13M/1 Gibson, $12M/1 Bieber & Verlander

 

RP:

$56M/4 Scott (maybe $64M/4)

$44M/4 Hoffman (maybe $48M/4)

$30M/3 Holmes ($33M/3?)

$27M/3 Estevez ($30M/3?)

$16M/2 AJ Minter (LHP) maybe gets $21M/3

$14M/1 Yates (maybe gets $20M/2)

$14M/2 Soroka & Kittredge, Kahnle

$11M/1 Robertson

 

 

 

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Their GDP is at an all time high right now. He's going to take a bath on this one! He'll have to assume approximately 175B of government debt. 

Then he’ll just buy the entirety of planet Earth and all his credits and debits should cancel each other out…

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Then he’ll just buy the entirety of planet Earth and all his credits and debits should cancel each other out…

Once the Selachii realize he has one of their own submerged in formaldehyde in his office, he'll become a going concern. 

[Bellhorn04]

Just in case you can't get enough fake news and rumors about Soto here, here's a link to the Sox Prospects forum thread about it.

https://forum.soxprospects.com/thread/7733/juan-soto?page=1&scrollTo=737705 

[Randy Red Sox]

On 12/1/2024 at 10:49 AM, moonslav59 said:

My guess is the Mets will or already have countered with something higher than $625/13. With taxes and personal preferences on where to play, maybe a slightly higher offer will not be enough for the Mets to get the prize.

I have to think the Sox can and should add a year and another $20-25M. It would bring down the AAV, which might help us stay under the tax line for a year or two, along the way. (Of course the Mets could add a year or two, as well.)

I have no evidence to prove this, but I'm thinking Soto might prefer BOS and lower taxes. The Dominican connection may be overblown, but I'm sure when Soto was growing up, watching Manny, Pedro and Papi on the Sox must have made an impression. Being teammates with Devers might tip the choice to Boston.

Maybe, I'm being a homer, here, but it's the time of year where hopes and dreams take over.

let the Mets have him and go out and get Teoscar, Fried or Burnes plus Scott and we will be serious contenders.

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

let the Mets have him and go out and get Teoscar, Fried or Burnes plus Scott and we will be serious contenders.

That's a pretty good team, and follow those signings with an Abreu trade and maybe a very good team.

If do not get Soto, I'd like to see...

Fried (or Burnes)

Teoscar

Trade Abreu and Arias for Crochet

Scott 

Hoffman, Estevez or Holmes

Higgy or D Jansen

 

[Randy Red Sox]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

That's a pretty good team, and follow those signings with an Abreu trade and maybe a very good team.

If do not get Soto, I'd like to see...

Fried (or Burnes)

Teoscar

Trade Abreu and Arias for Crochet

Scott 

Hoffman, Estevez or Holmes

Higgy or D Jansen

 

CWS will want more than that for Crochet.

[vjcsmoke]

Teoscar is expected to return to LA Dodgers once Soto finds a home, unless that is Dodgers throw 700m at Soto and it's an offer he can't refuse.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

8 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

That's a pretty good team, and follow those signings with an Abreu trade and maybe a very good team.

If do not get Soto, I'd like to see...

Fried (or Burnes)

Teoscar

Trade Abreu and Arias for Crochet

Scott 

Hoffman, Estevez or Holmes

Higgy or D Jansen

 

Higgy's gone, signed by Rangers... stealthily, players being eliminated from posters' suggested rosters.

Happens every winter... (from no other club's fan forum): "And let's add a lefty reliever from the Reds' bullpen; Wilson's only gonna be 37 next summer. His WAR is a WBR, only 1/5th of a win below a replacement player."

[moonslav59]

7 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

CWS will want more than that for Crochet.

add more.

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Higgy's gone, signed by Rangers... stealthily, players being eliminated from posters' suggested rosters.

Happens every winter... (from no other club's fan forum): "And let's add a lefty reliever from the Reds' bullpen; Wilson's only gonna be 37 next summer. His WAR is a WBR, only 1/5th of a win below a replacement player."

I don't think the Sox wanted to spend 5M on a backup catcher for the next 2 years when Teel could be called up before this ASB. 

[drewski6]

How de we feel about trading for Luis Ortiz

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

How de we feel about trading for Luis Ortiz

A sinkerballer who doesn't have a great GB%? Last year, his xFIP, FIP, xERA were all significantly higher than his ERA. Maybe the Sox could figure out his horrible slider and tap into something? I would assume that the trade would be significant due to the amount of control. 

Right now, he's a backend of the rotation guy. He COULD get better. Why not just get a pitcher who IS better? 

[Bellhorn04]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't think the Sox wanted to spend 5M on a backup catcher for the next 2 years when Teel could be called up before this ASB. 

5M isn't much any more though.  What else is out there?  Jansen?
 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

5M isn't much any more though.  What else is out there?  Jansen?
 

It's not much, but it's less they can pay towards middle relievers.