A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

Except that Dangerfield is a Hall of Famer…

HOF diver maybe. 

[Duran Is The Man]

5 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Nobody can ever say that Bloom knew how to build a pitching staff. 

even with Brez "in charge", i fully expect something equally stupid, or worse, this offseason.

[Larry Cook]

We gave pivetta a QO??? What is the strategy I wonder ? Is this bres-slow’s idea of aggressive and decisive???

[Tedballgame]

23 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Wacha signs with KCR for $51M/3 (almost what the Athletic projected.) There are a few incentives.

One less SP'er for the Sox to pursue.

The Royals told him they were going to give him a QO so he immediately signed a 3 year deal. With the QO, his market would have dried up.

[notin]

MLBTR has released their Top 50 with predictions from 4 members of their staff.  The following names were linked to Boston (and by how many writers)

Corbin Burnes (2)

Blake Snell (2)

Tanner Scott (2)

Jeff Hoffman (1)

Clay Holmes (1)

Nick Pivetta (4)

And maybe I missed a couple.  Working from memory here…

[Randy Red Sox]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

MLBTR has released their Top 50 with predictions from 4 members of their staff.  The following names were linked to Boston (and by how many writers)

Corbin Burnes (2)

Blake Snell (2)

Tanner Scott (2)

Jeff Hoffman (1)

Clay Holmes (1)

Nick Pivetta (4)

And maybe I missed a couple.  Working from memory here…

if Pivetta accepts arbitration that pretty much fills up the rotation with Gioloto coming back

[Randy Red Sox]

2 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

We gave pivetta a QO??? What is the strategy I wonder ? Is this bres-slow’s idea of aggressive and decisive???

if he accepts our rotation is set

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

if Pivetta accepts arbitration that pretty much fills up the rotation with Gioloto coming back

Pivetta is post arb. He's a FA.

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

The Royals told him they were going to give him a QO so he immediately signed a 3 year deal. With the QO, his market would have dried up.

I agree, that is what happened. I also think Wacha liked KC and being on a winning team.

Pivetta ended up getting the QO from BOS, so I have to think he'll take the $20M/1, try to have a big year and then there can be no QO, next year, as a FA.

No QO for O'Neill. I never felt he was worth it, even if we did not have Anthony beating down the door.

[moonslav59]

If our winter budget was $40-45M, we may have just spent half of it to keep our 3rd/4th SP'er.

I like Pivetta, but he is not going to improve the team, on paper. He may do better in '25, but we can't count on a plus over 2024.

 

 

[moonslav59]

53 minutes ago, notin said:

MLBTR has released their Top 50 with predictions from 4 members of their staff.  The following names were linked to Boston (and by how many writers)

Corbin Burnes (2)

Blake Snell (2)

Tanner Scott (2)

Jeff Hoffman (1)

Clay Holmes (1)

Nick Pivetta (4)

And maybe I missed a couple.  Working from memory here…

Interesting to note that all 4 of these guys projected the Sox get one of the top 2 SP'ers (Burnes 2 and Snell 2.)

All four projected a top RP'er (Scott 2, Hoffman 1, Holmes 1)

Let's see...

[Larry Cook]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

If our winter budget was $40-45M, we may have just spent half of it to keep our 3rd/4th SP'er.

I like Pivetta, but he is not going to improve the team, on paper. He may do better in '25, but we can't count on a plus over 2024.

 

 

Is this our big offseason move to improve the rotation???

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Is this our big offseason move to improve the rotation???

If you're asking me what I want, yes indeed, along with 2 major pen additions.

If you're asking me what JH allows Brez to do? Pivetta might be it for the rotation and maybe there is hope we add one big pen arm and a couple hopes and prayers types.

While I've wanted two rotation additions, I wasn't sure we'd add one, since Gio replaces Pivetta. Now that Pivetta looks like he's back, I doubt we add another SP'er, unless Brez tries to find the next Criswell.

My hope now is Tanner Scott and one from Estevez, Hoffman or Holmes. That could be a pipedream.

[Randy Red Sox]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Pivetta is post arb. He's a FA.

i read we offered him arbitration and if he accepts it is a 1 yr deal same if O'Neill had accepted.  correct me if i am wrong but i read it on MLBTR

[Randy Red Sox]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Interesting to note that all 4 of these guys projected the Sox get one of the top 2 SP'ers (Burnes 2 and Snell 2.)

All four projected a top RP'er (Scott 2, Hoffman 1, Holmes 1)

Let's see...

I believe those predictions were made BEFORE the Sox offered arbitration to Pivetta??

[harmony]

42 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i read we offered him arbitration and if he accepts it is a 1 yr deal same if O'Neill had accepted.  correct me if i am wrong but i read it on MLBTR

Nick Pivetta and Tyler O'Neill are free agents. The Red Sox gave Pivetta a qualifying offer but did not give O'Neill a qualifying offer.

Pivetta can accept the qualifying offer of $21.05 million for one season or reject the offer to test the free agent market. In the latter event, a team (other than the Red Sox) that signs Pivetta would surrender a draft pick. A team can sign O'Neill without losing a draft pick.

[Hugh2]

8 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

I believe those predictions were made BEFORE the Sox offered arbitration to Pivetta??

It's a qualifying offer.  It's the same amount of money for Nick or any other player in baseball who accepts the offer.   If he accepts its' roughly a 1 year $21 million dollar deal. 

[mvp 78]

14 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

We gave pivetta a QO??? What is the strategy I wonder ? Is this bres-slow’s idea of aggressive and decisive???

It's fine. I wouldn't have done it, but he should provide about 20M in value. If it's the only pitcher "acquisition" this offseason, there's a problem. We just don't know the overall budget.

Maybe they believe he'll turn it down? Maybe they aren't happy with their current depth or the FA crop and would rather keep Pivetta around after a year of working with him? Maybe they are sticking with Pivetta because they plan on spinning off one of their own pitchers in a deal this offseason? 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

18 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's fine. I wouldn't have done it, but he should provide about 20M in value. If it's the only pitcher "acquisition" this offseason, there's a problem. We just don't know the overall budget.

Maybe they believe he'll turn it down? Maybe they aren't happy with their current depth or the FA crop and would rather keep Pivetta around after a year of working with him? Maybe they are sticking with Pivetta because they plan on spinning off one of their own pitchers in a deal this offseason? 

Or maybe they just want the draft pick from another team signing Pivetta...

... to hopefully compensate them for the one they'll lose from signing a better free agent.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Or maybe they just want the draft pick from another team signing Pivetta...

... to hopefully compensate them for the one they'll lose from signing a better free agent.

If they believe he'll turn down a QO, it's the exact reason they offer him one (except for the very last part which we all know won't happen). 

[Bellhorn04]

I think the chances Pivetta accepts the offer are pretty strong.

[Duran Is The Man]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think the chances Pivetta accepts the offer are pretty strong.

without a doubt. no other team is dumb enough to pay him $20M in FA.

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

without a doubt. no other team is dumb enough to pay him $20M in FA.

Well, I like him about as much as I like Giolito.  

This is what you get for 20-ish nowadays. 😛

It's probably all part of another Salute to Mediocrity season.  Pivetta is kind of a master of mediocrity in his own right.  

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

4 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

without a doubt. no other team is dumb enough to pay him $20M in FA.

Dumb? This is the same front office smart enough to make Disqualifying Offers to Mookie Betts for years!

Just think of all the money they saved on decorative bunting and paint at Fenway Park by not having a few more World Series in Boston.

[Bellhorn04]

4 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Dumb? This is the same front office smart enough to make Disqualifying Offers to Mookie Betts for years!

Just think of all the money they saved on decorative bunting and paint at Fenway Park by not having a few more World Series in Boston.

Yeah, a team stupid enough to trade Betts (and get very little in return) is stupid enough to do just about anything, I have to agree.

[moonslav59]

9 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i read we offered him arbitration and if he accepts it is a 1 yr deal same if O'Neill had accepted.  correct me if i am wrong but i read it on MLBTR

He got a QO. He is past arb years.

[Bellhorn04]

I think Randy has been duly corrected by now. 🙂

[moonslav59]

Severino got a QO, too, so that tells you something.

The Athletic projected Nick Martinez would get $13.3M x 3, and he got a QO, too.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think Randy has been duly corrected by now. 🙂

There always needs to be at least one dogpile each day here. 

[moonslav59]

Nov 19: Players accept or reject QO, set 40 man roster (protect Rule 5 players)

Nov 22: Tender contracts to arb-eligible players

Dec 10: MLB Draft Lottery

Dec 11: Rule 5 draft

Jan 10: Players/teams exchange arb numbers

Jan 15: Int'l signing period begins

Jan 27: arb hearings begin (end Feb 14)

Feb 20: ST'ing begins