Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[Hugh2]

How about. 

 

Red Sox trade Masataka Yoshida. Josh Winckowski, and David Hamilton for Luis Castillo.  Then go sign Burnes.

 

You're welcome. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

How about. 

 

Red Sox trade Masataka Yoshida. Josh Winckowski, and David Hamilton for Luis Castillo.  Then go sign Burnes.

 

You're welcome. 

Even adding Abreu and Fitts would not get it done.

[Randy Red Sox]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I think it's all about Mayer's health. If he's fine in ST'ing, he has at least an equal shot at winning the SS/2B job as DHam, Grissom, Romy and Campbell have, right now.

I did say I think Anthony is the most likely guy to be called up first, unless Mayer wins the job in ST'ing. Both could start on the 26 opening day, but I think we'd have to trade Abreu (for pitching) to make it worth it.

I think there is no chance, unless Story is hurt on opening day, that Mayer AND Campbell start the year in Boston.

I think Teel will be held off the 40 man until September, at the earliest. He's not even Rule 5 until 2026. We may wait until next year to add him. (Campbell is 2026, too, but you can't keep him down, if he hits like this to start 2025.)

If I had to guess: 

1 makes the opening day roster (Anthony or Mayer)

1-2 get called up before Sept.

1-2 get called up Sept 1st.

Only 3 total, at most, see action w BOS in 2025. If I had to be on how many play before Sept 1st, I'd go with 2, but 3 is a close call.

 

sorry i like bare but on his own he is not bringing back any real P

[Randy Red Sox]

Just now, Randy Red Sox said:

sorry i like ABREU but on his own he is not bringing back any real P

 

[Randy Red Sox]

13 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

A Cy Young winner would help, for sure.

Mind you these Sox are doing their utmost to make even the loss of one a non-factor as far as making or missing the playoffs.

 

hey no fear we can always bring back Hill after his kid's LL season ends next year

[moonslav59]

How is this (maybe more believable):

1. Sign Jack Flaherty, & Kenley Jansen.

2. Trade Abreu, DHam and Winckowski for Bryce Miller.

2025 Red Sox (AAA depth):

SP: Flaherty,  Miller, Houck, Gio, Bello (Criswell, Fitts, Priester & Dobbins)

Mid/Long Relief: Crawford, Whitlock (Gambrell, Sandlin)

Closer/Set-UP: Jansen, Hendriks, Slaten, Bernardino, Kelly, Fulmer (Booser, Weissert, I Campbell, Horn, Guerrero)

C: Wong, Heineman (Teel)

1B: Casas, Romy (Jordan)

2B: Campbell, DHam (E Valdez)

SS: Story (Mayer, Romero)

3B:: Devers (Meidroth)

LF: Duran/ Refsnyder (Sogard, Castro)

CF: Rafaela/Duran (Jh Garcia)

RF: Anthony/Duran (Sikes, Bleis)

DH: Yoshida/Refsnyder (E Valdez, Hickey)

Not all that fancy, but it might be enough.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

sorry i like bare but on his own he is not bringing back any real P

I figured we'd package him with DHam and Wink for a solid #3 SP.

Alone, he might bring a #4 or a couple nice RP'ers.

[Hugh2]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Even adding Abreu and Fitts would not get it done.

Why not? Yoshida would be the best hitter on their team this year, and exhanging contracts gives them salary relief.  Also, D-Ham gives them value on offense and Wink, while not as good as Castillo, is a valuable arm that they can plug into the swing role or use as depth. 

BTV accepts this trade.  

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Why not? Yoshida would be the best hitter on their team this year, and exhanging contracts gives them salary relief.  Also, D-Ham gives them value on offense and Wink, while not as good as Castillo, is a valuable arm that they can plug into the swing role or use as depth. 

BTV accepts this trade.  

Not totally implausible, but if I'm Seattle I'm looking at signing a bat rather than paying Yoshida 18 per for 3 more years.

[moonslav59]

43 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Why not? Yoshida would be the best hitter on their team this year, and exhanging contracts gives them salary relief.  Also, D-Ham gives them value on offense and Wink, while not as good as Castillo, is a valuable arm that they can plug into the swing role or use as depth. 

BTV accepts this trade.  

I'm surprised BTV accepted it. I don't think a DH only guy at $18M has any plus value, even if he hits .820.

[Hugh2]

53 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Not totally implausible, but if I'm Seattle I'm looking at signing a bat rather than paying Yoshida 18 per for 3 more years.

well they'd get a bat and save $6 million a year for the next 3 years and then 24 million in 2027

[notin]

16 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

How about. 

 

Red Sox trade Masataka Yoshida. Josh Winckowski, and David Hamilton for Luis Castillo.  Then go sign Burnes.

 

You're welcome. 

Why would Seattle make that trade?

If they’re even thinking about trading Castillo, that’s an extremely beatable offer…

[notin]

28 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

well they'd get a bat and save $6 million a year for the next 3 years and then 24 million in 2027

… and take a massive hit in their rotation. For an expensive bat with no power and no position, a middle reliever and a utility infielder…

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

well they'd get a bat and save $6 million a year for the next 3 years and then 24 million in 2027

They aren't looking to cut costs, and they view the castillo signing as a team-friendly deal, because it is. If he was more of a "dump" type guy, then this makes sense.

[notin]

12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

How is this (maybe more believable):

1. Sign Jack Flaherty, & Kenley Jansen.

2. Trade Abreu, DHam and Winckowski for Bryce Miller.

2025 Red Sox (AAA depth):

SP: Flaherty,  Miller, Houck, Gio, Bello (Criswell, Fitts, Priester & Dobbins)

Mid/Long Relief: Crawford, Whitlock (Gambrell, Sandlin)

Closer/Set-UP: Jansen, Hendriks, Slaten, Bernardino, Kelly, Fulmer (Booser, Weissert, I Campbell, Horn, Guerrero)

C: Wong, Heineman (Teel)

1B: Casas, Romy (Jordan)

2B: Campbell, DHam (E Valdez)

SS: Story (Mayer, Romero)

3B:: Devers (Meidroth)

LF: Duran/ Refsnyder (Sogard, Castro)

CF: Rafaela/Duran (Jh Garcia)

RF: Anthony/Duran (Sikes, Bleis)

DH: Yoshida/Refsnyder (E Valdez, Hickey)

Not all that fancy, but it might be enough.

Sign:  Tanner Scott, AJ Minter, Paul DeJong, Austin Slater, Tomas Nido (or equivalent).  Scott will be expensive.  The rest, probably not. 

Trade: Marcelo Mayer (65.4), Wilyer Abreu (29.7) and Richard Fitts (4.3) for Tarik Skubal (95.1)

Trade: Wikelman Gonzalez (2.7) and Chase Meidroth (2.5) for Kyle Finnegan (4.5)

C: Wong (until Teel gets the call)

1b: Casas

2b: Story

3b: Devers

SS: DeJong

LF: Duran

CF: Rafaela

RF: Anthony.  Extend him for similar to the Chourio deal

DH: Yoshida

BN: Nido (or equivalent), Hamilton, Romy Gonzalez, Slater

SP: Skubal, Houck, Giolito, Bello, Crawford (Criswell?)

BP: Finnegan (CL), Scott, Hendriks, Fulmer, Winckowski, Slaten, Minter, Kelly

 

 Biggest issue is - when does Giolito return?  It’s probably unrealistic to expect him ready by opening day…

[notin]

13 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

sorry i like bare but on his own he is not bringing back any real P

You said that about Duran last year, and now he’s a potential MVP candidate…

[moonslav59]

There are over 200 players with 350+ PAs. Abreu was not playing all that much in April and has been mostly a platoon player the rest of the way. Still, he ranks 18th in total PAs in MLB at 377. 

He ranks 54th in fWAR. That is very nice. The average team has 2 players in the top 60.

He's #31 in OPS (almost top 1/9 tier.) 44th in wRC+

This would likely go down, some, if he bats FT and starts vs LHPs, but this guy can hit.

He is also pre-prime years and pre Arb!

[mvp 78]

45 minutes ago, notin said:

You said that about Duran last year, and now he’s a potential MVP candidate…

This is his Jacoby Ellsbury 2011 season. Sell high!

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

This is his Jacoby Ellsbury 2011 season. Sell high!

Plus the dubious behavior.   

[Hugh2]

3 hours ago, notin said:

… and take a massive hit in their rotation. For an expensive bat with no power and no position, a middle reliever and a utility infielder…

Massive????? hit, Castillo is more of a middle of the rotation starter at this point in his career.  

 

Seattle has pitching, they lack hitting more than any other team in MLB. 

Maybe dangle Abreu instead of Yoshida? Heck I'd give them both if they split the difference in the money. 

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Massive????? hit, Castillo is more of a middle of the rotation starter at this point in his career.  

 

Seattle has pitching, they lack hitting more than any other team in MLB. 

Maybe dangle Abreu instead of Yoshida? Heck I'd give them both if they split the difference in the money. 

His 2.3 fWAR is not great, this year, and if they believe he is in decline, they might be open to trading him, but not for a DH.

The only reason he is "middle of the rotation" is because Kirby and Gilbert are 1-2 on SEA.

2023-2024: Castillo's 5.6 fWAR places him 26th in MLB. That is a #1 not a #3. He's tied with Gilbert & Kirby at 88 on ERA-.

[mvp 78]

39 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

His 2.3 fWAR is not great, this year, and if they believe he is in decline, they might be open to trading him, but not for a DH.

The only reason he is "middle of the rotation" is because Kirby and Gilbert are 1-2 on SEA.

2023-2024: Castillo's 5.6 fWAR places him 26th in MLB. That is a #1 not a #3. He's tied with Gilbert & Kirby at 88 on ERA-.

SEA also has a surplus of arms and may want a bat like Yoshida. OR NOT.

[moonslav59]

Notin will be bummed...

The Giants made a major splash overnight, announcing that they’ve extended the contract of third baseman Matt Chapman. The deal guarantees Chapman $151MM over six years and runs from 2025 to 2030, with a $25MM annual salary and a $1MM signing bonus paid out in 2025. According to ESPN’s Jeff Passan, Chapman’s deal contains a no-trade clause.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

SEA also has a surplus of arms and may want a bat like Yoshida. OR NOT.

I think they would want him, but not at $18M, and I doubt they think Castillo is overpaid.

Yoshida, Abreu, DHam and Wink might get it done, but that is 4 players needing to be on the 40, and SEA likely has a winter roster crunch coming up. I'm not sure they want all 4.

[Nick]

Only way we can trade Yoshida and get something in return is to eat $13M of $18M contract. 

[Randy Red Sox]

this is all noise this thought of the Sox actually doing anything major this offseason.  Look for a few under the radar FA 1 year contract signings along with Breslow trying to offload the Story and Yoshida contracts.

[moonslav59]

11 hours ago, Nick said:

Only way we can trade Yoshida and get something in return is to eat $13M of $18M contract. 

I think maybe we'd have to eat $3-6M of the $18M, $7-8 tops.

Taking back salary makes sense, but only if the guy we get back is considered "overpaid," which Castillo is not.

[moonslav59]

9 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

this is all noise this thought of the Sox actually doing anything major this offseason.  Look for a few under the radar FA 1 year contract signings along with Breslow trying to offload the Story and Yoshida contracts.

I think trading a top prospect may be "noise," but not these other types of deals.

Last winter, Brez trade Sale, Verdugo and lessers like Urias & Schreiber. The first two were kinds "major." We also traded for O'Neill.

One could say trading Abreu, DHam and Wink is not major, but all in one package might get us a "major" pitcher (as in a solid #3 SP or two nice set-up men.)

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think maybe we'd have to eat $3-6M of the $18M, $7-8 tops.

Taking back salary makes sense, but only if the guy we get back is considered "overpaid," which Castillo is not.

Ah trade Yoshida talk again. Where have I heard that before? I don’t really think there is a lot of interest out there for Yoshida like Bloom had for him, and shut down the bidding process to get him. Just a DH, and really doesn’t put up any big power numbers. In Boston to stay IMO.

[moonslav59]

I don't think we'll trade Yoshida, but it's hard to know what Brez is thinking. If he's given a $35M winter budget, and he can turn that into $45M by trading Yoshida + $8M a year, he may try to do it.

He might figure Anthony in RF and a Abreu- Ref platoon at DH is an upgrade, anyway.

Call-up Mayer or Campbell and trade DHam + Wink for a better RP'er.

Us the "new" $45M to sign a better SP, closer and other pitcher.