Trades?

[mvp 78]

yeah everybody but Pareles IMO at least. I mean Priester is still younger than Fitts.

 

Fitts is a backend rotation guy if things break right. Priester could be middle rotation if things break right. Perales might have a slightly higher ceiling than Priester, but I don't know what he'll look like after surgery.

 

Sandlin has great STUFF, but no control whatsoever and struggles to pitch through 4 consistently. Elmer is ok, but hadn't really been challenged at Salem. Portes is most likely the next guy to join this conversation now that Wikleman has fallen back.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Agreed, and maybe right behind Perales.

 

1. Anthony

2. Mayer

3. Teel

4. Campbell

5. Cespedes

6. Bleis

7. Perales

8. Priester

9. Meidroth

10. Arias

11. Sandlin

12. Fitts

13. Zanetello

14. Lugo

15. Jo. Garcia

16. Jh. Garcia

17. E R-C

18. Dobbins

19. Early

20. Valera/Portes

 

Dropped from top 20:

Yorke traded

Castro (maybe 22nd)

Paulino

Jordan

Wikelman

 

Not bad. But has Priester shown any promise by dominating or at least pitching like a star at any pro level?

 

Reason I ask is that Arias is rivaling Campbell like a lightning bolt this season. Put it this way: the last time I remember a Red Sox minor leaguer getting publicity for batting .400 -- not for a year, but for even reaching that mark -- was Jarren Duran. It's interesting, but there was no hype then about his speed or jacked tats, just a lefty with a toe-tap hitting .400.

 

The point is, a guy who attains that rare success as a pro shows star potential... and years later -- albeit unbelievably to some of us who witnessed Duran's MLB debut season -- the guy is an All-Star MVP.

[sk7326]

Fitts is a backend rotation guy if things break right. Priester could be middle rotation if things break right. Perales might have a slightly higher ceiling than Priester, but I don't know what he'll look like after surgery.

 

Sandlin has great STUFF, but no control whatsoever and struggles to pitch through 4 consistently. Elmer is ok, but hadn't really been challenged at Salem. Portes is most likely the next guy to join this conversation now that Wikleman has fallen back.

 

Yes. Priester is probably a swing arm at worst. As we said before - the team needed to add pitching ceiling. This is the way to do it.

[mvp 78]

Not bad. But has Priester shown any promise by dominating or at least pitching like a star at any pro level?

 

Reason I ask is that Arias is rivaling Campbell like a lightning bolt this season. Put it this way: the last time I remember a Red Sox minor leaguer getting publicity for batting .400 -- not for a year, but for even reaching that mark -- was Jarren Duran. It's interesting, but there was no hype then about his speed or jacked tats, just a lefty with a toe-tap hitting .400.

 

The point is, a guy who attains that rare success as a pro shows star potential... and years later -- albeit unbelievably to some of us who witnessed Duran's MLB debut season -- the guy is an All-Star MVP.

 

He's pitching very good this season in AAA. He pitched great in AA in '22. He was a top prospect for several years. He just hasn't been able to get the results in MLB.

[mvp 78]

Yes. Priester is probably a swing arm at worst. As we said before - the team needed to add pitching ceiling. This is the way to do it.

 

Yeah, they have a lot of prospects, but the starting pitching prospects really left something to be desired. I'm glad that Breslow has put some effort into shifting the farm in that direction. Sox haven't been able to churn out starters since Masterson/Buch/Lester/et al.

[Hitch]

My bet is we're not selling anything of value. This team has had more than enough PR f***ups and mixed messages. They don't need Pivetta dealing for another team the next two months while Houck has to go on the IL.

 

We'll check back on my "wisdom" at 6 PM.

 

To clear up once more - I'm saying if you can trade Pivetta for the kind of haul Houston give up, then flip it with maybe additional for a better pitcher with more years of control it's a no brainer.

 

And while I doubt anything close to this happens, if an opportunity presented itself he should (and will) absolutely do it.

 

I wouldn't blame him for doing not much else. The cost of relievers has been insane. Though I hope I am wrong.

[Hitch]

That was an insane return, especially when compared to Fedde.

 

Pivetta has been better over the longer term.

 

We will not be sellers, this year.

 

I'm still waiting to see the "lane"

 

I think coming out of the All Star break 2-7 shifted him back into the middle of the road.

[Bellhorn04]

If Breslow does nothing more, it's gonna look an awful lot like 2022 and 2023.

[Bellhorn04]

I think coming out of the All Star break 2-7 shifted him back into the middle of the road.

 

But several of those losses can be attributed to the bullpen issues that he should be trying to address...

 

Plus they are still tied in the loss column with KC for the final WC spot.

[mvp 78]

The trade deadline deals are really crazy now due to the expanded playoffs. It's the big reason Bloom needed to SELL. Nothing really in AAA to callup.

[Hitch]

But several of those losses can be attributed to the bullpen issues that he should be trying to address...

 

Plus they are still tied in the loss column with KC for the final WC spot.

 

I'm not saying it's right, only what I think has happened.

 

In saying that, the bullpen arms cost has been very high. I don't blame him for not matching some of the trades we've seen.

[Hitch]

The trade deadline deals are really crazy now due to the expanded playoffs. It's the big reason Bloom needed to SELL. Nothing really in AAA to callup.

 

That above all else will be why I'll think of Bloom's time here as a failure despite some of the good he did. He had two (one big one) deadlines where he should have sold and could have put us in a great position.

 

Huge missed opportunity.

[notin]

If Breslow does nothing more, it's gonna look an awful lot like 2022 and 2023.

 

He did get a catcher and two pitchers already…

[Bellhorn04]

He did get a catcher and two pitchers already…

 

But if that's it, it will be uncomfortably close to Bloom-like.

[moonslav59]

To clear up once more - I'm saying if you can trade Pivetta for the kind of haul Houston give up, then flip it with maybe additional for a better pitcher with more years of control it's a no brainer.

 

And while I doubt anything close to this happens, if an opportunity presented itself he should (and will) absolutely do it.

 

I wouldn't blame him for doing not much else. The cost of relievers has been insane. Though I hope I am wrong.

 

I'm not for selling, but this post makes sense. If Pivetta can get even close to that haul, we could do that, and also trade for Flaherty, Bassitt, T Anderson, Skubal or Crochett. (Cal Quantrill or Gomber might replace Pivetta.)

 

There are still plenty of RP'ers out there. I have not heard Pete Fairbanks mentioned, but I'd like him. Chad Green, too. Tanner Scott and H Strickland will be costly. Others : Trevor Richards, T Holton, Shelby Miller, Jason Foley, Wil Vest, Ryan Walker and the two T Rogers from SFG

 

[moonslav59]

I think coming out of the All Star break 2-7 shifted him back into the middle of the road.

 

I'm not sure player's values go that up and down based on a game or two, but if they do, it went back up, last night.

[moonslav59]

If Breslow does nothing more, it's gonna look an awful lot like 2022 and 2023.

 

Agreed.

[moonslav59]

He did get a catcher and two pitchers already…

 

All the additions are marginal. Jansen and Paxton should help, but nothing all that meaningful, so far.

 

These two should beat out Phan and Hosmer, but I don't really call this "picking a lane," we I understood that term used.

[moonslav59]

We need to trade for some cost controlled relievers from triple A or double A. Either stud relievers or starters that we can convert to stud relievers. We need to build up our depth because we have none now

 

Exactly. We have some bottle-necked everyday players- many of whom look best at LF and DH. I realize LF/DH types don't bring back the value their OPS seems to call for, but more deals like the Yorke one would help our longer term outlook with the staff.

 

How many OF'er can we play, at once?

 

Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, O'Neill >Campbell, Ref>Anthony, Lugo & Valdez

Farther away: Montgomery, Jh Garcia, Bleis, Cespedes, Cason & Castro

 

We are not strong at middle IF, but we have too much quantity:

 

Mayer & Story

DHam-Romy platoon is nice depth

Campbell, Meidroth, Grissom with Valdez & Lugo in a pinch

Farther away: Arias, Romero, Reimer, Cespedes, Zanetello, Anderon & Nunez

 

We do not have the strength or depth at back up corner IF to trade any away.

 

We do have some catcher/DH types behind Wong and Teel:

Gasper, Jo. Garcia, Hickey & Brannon

[Maxbialystock]

Agreed.

 

And I agree with both of you.

 

The crying need for this team is good bullpen pitchers, and Breslow has made deals for two so-so (at best) starters. Priester is almost the worst pitcher on the Pirates roster.

Paxton might help and might not.

 

And forget the righty bat for now. The hitting is better.

[notin]

But if that's it, it will be uncomfortably close to Bloom-like.

 

It’s better than the Hosmer/Urias debacles…

[notin]

No trades so far today? I find that shocking…

[d-money]

No trades so far today? I find that shocking…

 

 

They’re not gonna do much. Others teams are likely to make trades who knows.

[notin]

They’re not gonna do much. Others teams are likely to make trades who knows.

 

I wasn’t just referring to Boston. No one has made any moves today…

[Bellhorn04]

It’s better than the Hosmer/Urias debacles…

 

Yes, but that's like saying a kick in the stomach is better than a kick in the head.

 

2024 bWARs

 

Paxton 0.4

Jansen 0.9

Priester -0.4

Total 0.9

[mvp 78]

That above all else will be why I'll think of Bloom's time here as a failure despite some of the good he did. He had two (one big one) deadlines where he should have sold and could have put us in a great position.

 

Huge missed opportunity.

 

Pretty much. The org kinda just hung out for a few years. At least we saw some potential this year and break throughs.

[mvp 78]

Yes, but that's like saying a kick in the stomach is better than a kick in the head.

 

2024 bWARs

 

Paxton 0.4

Jansen 0.9

Priester -0.4

Total 0.9

 

Doubt Priester is pitching in BOS this season. They are going to keep him in AAA for the extra year of CONTROL.

[d-money]

I wasn’t just referring to Boston. No one has made any moves today…

 

 

Still early unless they’re asking for the moon. Snell is a guy i ser being moved.

[notin]

Still early unless they’re asking for the moon. Snell is a guy i ser being moved.

 

First move du jour.

 

The Pirates deal for a DFAd LHP named Josh Walker from the Mets…

[sk7326]

If Breslow does nothing more, it's gonna look an awful lot like 2022 and 2023.

 

This to me has been considerably more complicated - at least in that the team has been better. What is true is that the expanded playoffs created a truly bonkers seller's market for players. Using Fangraphs, 20 of the 30 teams have at least a 10% chance of making the playoffs ... and we know what a chaotic mistress playoff baseball is.

 

I just don't know what the lower levels of the Sox inventory - as solid as it is - can buy. Now, I'd put Bleis into a deal for a good player - but the prices are pretty shocking.